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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:05:53 -
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Oh look, CONCORD has caught up with what we had found. Still, this is better than silence. Now we know that those who pinpointed the location of Caroline's Star were rather accurate, that's something.
And they didn't comment on these new sleeper drones.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Liuni Kalthis
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
113
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:10:14 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Oh look, CONCORD has caught up with what we had found. Still, this is better than silence. Now we know that those who pinpointed the location of Caroline's Star were rather accurate, that's something. And they didn't comment on these new sleeper drones.
Wait you mean CONCORD forming up a statement using many people, all information available, and not wanting to spew random thoughts and pure speculation to cause baseliner panic on the IGS took longer than capsuleers saying whatever came to mind? Say it isn't so! |
Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24514
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:11:23 -
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I don't get the whole...optimal pathways that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter. What are they referring to?
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
48
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:12:32 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:Oh look, CONCORD has caught up with what we had found. Still, this is better than silence. Now we know that those who pinpointed the location of Caroline's Star were rather accurate, that's something. And they didn't comment on these new sleeper drones. Wait you mean CONCORD forming up a statement using many people, all information available, and not wanting to spew random thoughts and pure speculation to cause baseliner panic on the IGS took longer than capsuleers saying whatever came to mind? Say it isn't so! Oh, I'm sorry I forgot about baseliners. I'll go and tell my crew that the world isn't ending.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Avio Yaken
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1713
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:16:40 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:
And they didn't comment on these new sleeper drones.
Whats to say?
They are cute harmless things that just want to float around and look at things and scan them for detail
So obviously they are evil and we should purge them
One does not simply, Cope with the scope
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Havohej
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
97
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:24:10 -
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I would like to take this opportunity to officially announce my candidacy for President of the Gallente Federation.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
48
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:27:42 -
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Avio Yaken wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:
And they didn't comment on these new sleeper drones.
Whats to say? They are cute harmless things that just want to float around and look at things and scan them for detail So obviously they are evil and we should purge them No, I think they're okay, for now. But they must've startled CONCORD, at least. Some drones fly around in space and use unknown technology to scan their ships. I don't know about you, but I don't want anyone other than CONCORD to posess the blueprints to their scrams of whatever they use.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Liuni Kalthis
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
114
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:31:01 -
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Havohej wrote:I would like to take this opportunity to officially announce my candidacy for President of the Gallente Federation.
If you find out what the sleepers want and actually get them to talk; I'd vote for you.
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
930
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:03:01 -
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Quote:The investigating group considers that there is a strong time ordered correlation between SSA YC116-11-26 and the formation of the so-called "optimal pathways" that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter.
A "time ordered correlation" between Caroline's Star and what I understand to mean conditions favorable to the formation of wormholes?
Are they saying there is some sort of chronological indicator that we could potentially use to determine where and when wormholes will appear, or are they just restating that the appearance of this object has something to do with wormholes appearing?
Note, they did not specify any tie between Caroline's Star and new wormhole formation. Just the conditions favorable to wormhole formation in general.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24514
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:04:34 -
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Soldarius wrote:Quote:The investigating group considers that there is a strong time ordered correlation between SSA YC116-11-26 and the formation of the so-called "optimal pathways" that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter. A "time ordered correlation" between Caroline's Star and what I understand to mean conditions favorable to the formation of wormholes? Are they saying there is some sort of chronological indicator that we could potentially use to determine where and when wormholes will appear, or are they just restating that the appearance of this object has something to do with wormholes appearing? Note, they did not specify any tie between Caroline's Star and new wormhole formation. Just the conditions favorable to wormhole formation in general. That's what I wanna know. The statement is convoluted, almost purposefully so. Why can't they just use layman's term?
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1432
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:16:48 -
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Anslo wrote:Soldarius wrote:Quote:The investigating group considers that there is a strong time ordered correlation between SSA YC116-11-26 and the formation of the so-called "optimal pathways" that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter. A "time ordered correlation" between Caroline's Star and what I understand to mean conditions favorable to the formation of wormholes? Are they saying there is some sort of chronological indicator that we could potentially use to determine where and when wormholes will appear, or are they just restating that the appearance of this object has something to do with wormholes appearing? Note, they did not specify any tie between Caroline's Star and new wormhole formation. Just the conditions favorable to wormhole formation in general. That's what I wanna know. The statement is convoluted, almost purposefully so. Why can't they just use layman's term?
When one does not know the answer, and does not want to appear ignorant? Then baffle them with bullshit.
Concord is as much in the dark as anyone, they want things to be nice and tidy again.
I believe they are going to be stunningly dissapointed.
It seems they are in full denial.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Jukko Riis
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:30:58 -
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After 72 hours this is the best their PR people can come up with?
How many people have died in that system so far?
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Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
173
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:31:23 -
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Avio Yaken wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:
And they didn't comment on these new sleeper drones.
Whats to say? They are cute harmless things that just want to float around and look at things and scan them for detail So obviously they are evil and we should purge them I tend to think of them as scouts. One does not simply send in attack forces without knowing, in the greatest detail possible, what one is attacking.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
870
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Posted - 2014.12.12 23:26:35 -
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Vague and mostly useless.
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Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
160
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:21:44 -
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Anslo wrote:Jokes aside, and in all seriousness, I don't get the whole...optimal pathways that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter. What are they referring to? I would guess that this is Concod-speak for "wormholes," since they allow the passage of matter and energy, instantaneously, over a stellar distance. Hence the "superluminal" part.
Anslo wrote: The statement is convoluted, almost purposefully so. Why can't they just use layman's term? LOL! Good one! "Layman's terms," indeed! Hahahaha...
...oh wait.
You're serious...
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
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Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
160
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:26:15 -
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Jukko Riis wrote:After 72 hours this is the best their PR people can come up with?
How many people have died in that system so far?
Since when has Concord ever been concerned with a body count? Or with being proactive? Beyond what would tarnish their reputation, of course...
They are, and always will be, a reactionary force.
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
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Ghelisis Achasse
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
21
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:31:42 -
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I think CONCORD has been very wary with releasing too much information too soon. Remember when they found those "Ghost Sites" and published their findings via The Scope? They warned us NOT to go looking for them, and what happened?
Although, in this case, since we can't get into Jove space anyway... |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5123
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:33:14 -
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So... yeah. As much as I'd like to give CONCORD's science team the benefit of the doubt here, all they've really done is say - in flowery pseudoscientific language - "hey, there's this really weird thing in the sky that seems to be doing faster-than-light... stuff! Sure is weird, huh?!"
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24525
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Posted - 2014.12.13 01:47:29 -
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Shaera Taam wrote:Anslo wrote: The statement is convoluted, almost purposefully so. Why can't they just use layman's term? LOL! Good one! "Layman's terms," indeed! Hahahaha... ...oh wait. You're serious... ....
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Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
175
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Posted - 2014.12.13 02:03:34 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Oh look, CONCORD has caught up with what we had found. Still, this is better than silence. Now we know that those who pinpointed the location of Caroline's Star were rather accurate, that's something. And they didn't comment on these new sleeper drones.
I can't believe I'm defending CONCORD, but...
Capsuleers are crowdsourcing their research. CONCORD is a bureaucracy and a very secretive one at that. There will always be huge discrepancies in the material generated by the two parties. The price we pod pilots pay for faster information acquisition is wild speculation. |
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Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
76
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:04:28 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:So... yeah. As much as I'd like to give CONCORD's science team the benefit of the doubt here, all they've really done is say - in flowery pseudoscientific language - "hey, there's this really weird thing in the sky that seems to be doing faster-than-light... stuff! Sure is weird, huh?!"
That sarcasm, Andreus, is kind of....Civire, don't you think? |
Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24588
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:09:04 -
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Verdis deMosays wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:So... yeah. As much as I'd like to give CONCORD's science team the benefit of the doubt here, all they've really done is say - in flowery pseudoscientific language - "hey, there's this really weird thing in the sky that seems to be doing faster-than-light... stuff! Sure is weird, huh?!" That sarcasm, Andreus, is kind of....Civire, don't you think? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6505
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:29:57 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:
I can't believe I'm defending CONCORD, but...
Capsuleers are crowdsourcing their research. CONCORD is a bureaucracy and a very secretive one at that. There will always be huge discrepancies in the material generated by the two parties. The price we pod pilots pay for faster information acquisition is wild speculation.
I'm not even sure we get faster information acquisition; baseliner news and scientific authorities were likely abuzz at the same time we were. It's just that we don't have reliable access to the majority of baseliner media, and thus to the readily available professional assessments. Instead, we have an echo chamber of essentially amateur assessment on scientific matters.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24592
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:55:52 -
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Why are they amateur? Why is everything we do that isn't related to bounds from an official CONCORD notice an echo chamber or pointless discourse? You literally say this same ******* bullshit every time. 'Unless it's from CONCORD and official CAPSULEER news, everything else is amateur and baseless.'
Know what's amateur ? Your pessimism. ****.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5127
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Posted - 2014.12.13 05:07:05 -
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I've got to agree with Anslo on this subject, although probably for different reasons. There are people out there in the black - myself included, thank you very much - who are busting our behinds trying to demystify the bizarre phenomena that have been plaguing our cluster as of late. What has CONCORD been doing during this time? Jack nothing. If we waited for CONCORD's go-ahead for everything none of us would even know what the other side of the wormholes looks like, because that "unenforceable travel ban" (read: "piece of do-nothing legislature we wrote so future generations couldn't say we literally did nothing") they placed on wormholes is still in effect.
If CONCORD wants to give me a science team, a mandate and an official mission objective? I guarantee you I would not hesitate to throw every single ISK, asset and starship I own at such an endeavour. Until then, if CONCORD are the "professionals," long live the goddamn amateurs.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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mr ed thehouseofed
Wrought iron Industries
29177
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Posted - 2014.12.13 05:15:27 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I've got to agree with Anslo on this subject, although probably for different reasons. There are people out there in the black - myself included, thank you very much - who are busting our behinds trying to demystify the bizarre phenomena that have been plaguing our cluster as of late. What has CONCORD been doing during this time? Jack nothing. If we waited for CONCORD's go-ahead for everything none of us would even know what the other side of the wormholes looks like, because that "unenforceable travel ban" (read: "piece of do-nothing legislature we wrote so future generations couldn't say we literally did nothing") they placed on wormholes is still in effect.
If CONCORD wants to give me a science team, a mandate and an official mission objective? I guarantee you I would not hesitate to throw every single ISK, asset and starship I own at such an endeavour. Until then, if CONCORD are the "professionals," long live the goddamn amateurs.
well said
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6506
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Posted - 2014.12.13 06:13:03 -
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We can run in circles, take lots of pictures, catalogue, chart. These things we can do, and we're rather good at them. Kraid-haan and I are currently working on this, as are a lot of others. Before the month is out, I expect various capsuleer organizations will have scoured the newly-opened wormhole systems, and we'll have a comprehensive collection of puzzle-pieces.
Doing this work is necessary, important, and advances our knowledge. However, it advances it incrementally. If we're lucky, this incremental advance of knowledge will allow us to understand what's happened.
The speculation we see on the Galactic Summit is not scientific. Part of it is simply the lack of data. Part of it is ego, causing pilots to try to find some new, bold theory or activity to advance so that their name is in lights. Part of it is sometimes plain, old-fashioned ****-waving, the desire to best someone else in public. Most of it is that the speculation we see on the Summit-- it's a scatter-shot of theory with no means of testing or verification, based on extremely limited data.
Bringing this back to the topic at hand, CONCORD has released a report. As we all figured, they aren't saying much we haven't already figured out. Capsuleers had already identified the location of the blast, an incremental advancement of knowledge based on charting and making determinations based on the information gleaned. We have already noticed that the blast is superluminal in nature, from the same charting. CONCORD supports the theory that the blast and the contemporaneous appearance of new wormhole systems is linked. Correlation is not causation, but there is certainly some correlation.
CONCORD's confirmation is useful. Anything beyond that is conjecture, speculation-- sometimes wild speculation. Until we have more data, we have no confirmation. The useful thing to do, the thing that advances our understanding of the cluster?
Get out there in a ship and probe, chart, catalogue.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
326
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Posted - 2014.12.13 06:16:22 -
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Well said Priano-haani.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1849
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Posted - 2014.12.13 10:58:44 -
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Anslo wrote:Jokes aside, and in all seriousness, I don't get the whole...optimal pathways that support coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter. What are they referring to?
An optimal pathway that supports coalescence of viable superluminal conduits for both energy and matter is obviously a coordinate-specific weakness in the space-time continuum that can support the formation of paired singularities, thus allowing faster than light transit across a region of space.
Didn't they teach you science at school?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
175
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:11:53 -
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