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Kestral Anneto
BlackSky.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:28:04 -
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Hi All,
As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners?
Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever.
So why the hate? |
Paranoid Loyd
2985
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:31:32 -
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Yoda wrote:Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. According to Yoda, they fear you.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:32:01 -
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Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. |
Kestral Anneto
BlackSky.
11
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:36:02 -
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Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox.
that doesn't explain why though? |
Paranoid Loyd
2985
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:42:30 -
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Sandbox = you don't need a reason, therefore it is pointless to ponder why.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18291
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:45:23 -
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Nobody hates miners. Some argue that mining is very boring because it's monotonous, but then again so is hauling, so is 0.01 ISKing on the market, so is waiting in a gatecamp, so is staring at a gate waiting to bump someone, so is a myriad of other things in this often-slow paced rubbish game like EVE (and we all love playing it).
What people dislike though, are those who fail to understand that EVE is fundamentally a player vs. player game (in its broadest definition). Quite often, the people who don't get that and complain the loudest are those who choose to mine as a primary profession. The low barrier of entry + low effort combination makes mining something a lot of people get into, quite possibly many who are effort averse and risk averse.
A complainer, a lazy player, a risk averse player: if you are not any of these, then don't worry about it.
Source: I'm a miner.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Serene Repose
1746
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:45:42 -
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Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. Preposterous. (I hope that word wasn't too long for you.) So-called PvP-ers (read: gankers) make this idiotic claim all the time. Your guess is as good as mine. You can toss this BS in with the "hate miners" thing. Just remember, all sociopaths must "objectify" others so they can feel good about themselves engaging in pointless and destructive behavior. (How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles.)
It's not that they hate. They feel nothing. It's that using the word "hate" (they imagine) engenders the right groupthink to mask behavior they themselves have a problem with...but are too embarrassed to admit.
No. They don't hate miners. They just say that. They think it makes them seem tough, when all it's just a form of cowardice.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Snagletooth Johnson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
203
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:46:05 -
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Free Obama Ore, thats why they be hatin'! |
Kalishka Ashkulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:46:10 -
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It's not a case of hate (at least, in my point of view). It's more that you're the limp Gazelle in a plain of Lions.
Why, thank you, Thing!
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
426
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:52:37 -
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Digital tough guys - my favorite kind.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Ria Nieyli
Ministry of War
26966
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:52:58 -
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Kalishka Ashkulf wrote:It's not a case of hate (at least, in my point of view). It's more that you're the limp Gazelle in a plain of Lions.
There are pills for that.
Clone Grade Nu
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
171
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:57:28 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. that doesn't explain why though? This has been for years. Many, many years. I don't really know and could only guesstimate.
And my guesstimation is actually a pretty good one.
.) Most miners don't play the game. No, watching youtube while having the client running does not mean one is playing the game.
.) Many miners are outright liars. Saying that one is enjoying mining is a lie. Watching youtube while having the client open does not - in any way or form - have anything to do with enjoying mining.
One can not enjoy mining. It's not a thing one can do, unless one enjoys staring at the lasers, enjoys watching the cycletimer, enjoys seeing rocks drop into the cargo-/ore-hold. As this literally equals watching paint drying, one can safely say that mining can not be enjoyed.
One could enjoy watching local and checking d-scan constantly, yes. One could enjoy being social while mining, yes. One could enjoy watching youtube while mining, yes ...
... but all of these have nothing to do with mining per se.
.) Many miners don't really understand the game. While certainly the amount of crybaby threads from weak minds who think they should be allowed to mine in peace have diminished ... someone who mines for the ISK and max yield has no clue wtf he is doing.
.) Many miners are clueless beyond measurement. Every time a miner says "What would you do if it wasn't for us miners?" I wonder how this person actually deals with his everyday-life. Why? Because people are flexible. If those who mined right now stopped doing it, nobody would bat an eye. If, in the rare case that indeed nobody mined for an extended period of time, mineral prices actually went up because supply dried out, other people would simply start mining because it would be actually worth it ... which brings me to the next point ...
... .) Many miners are clueless beyond measurement. People who whine that mining isn't worth it because mineral prices are too low, have no understanding of how the market works. Almost everything is built from minerals that are being mined, (ore->refine->minerals) which means that the price of goods built with minerals is connected to the price of minerals themselves.
That means that, when mineral prices rise, the price of almost everything in the game goes up as well. Not instantly of course, no, but over time it does. From the perspective of relative value, miners pretty much always earn the same, no matter how high or low the number is.
I'm sure I forgot one or two insulting points and I sincerely apologise to all those miners who actually aren't clueless beyond measurement, tank their ships, don't mine afk or simply are smart enough not to mine in systems near tradehubs/-routes.
So ... sorry, Dave Stark, I really didn't mean to insult you.
Not all miners are equal, but the majority of them is just not worth the entries in the database.
I hope that cleared it up for you. :) |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
296
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:59:51 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate?
Good question. For a great answer read
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18294
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:02:45 -
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Sol Project wrote:One could enjoy watching local and checking d-scan constantly, yes. One could enjoy being social while mining, yes. One could enjoy watching youtube while mining, yes ...
... but all of these have nothing to do with mining per se.
Yep. This is a good way of saying it. I enjoy being in an unarmed can on the verge of being shot at. I think it's a fun mechanic.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Kalishka Ashkulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:03:52 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Kalishka Ashkulf wrote:It's not a case of hate (at least, in my point of view). It's more that you're the limp Gazelle in a plain of Lions. There are pills for that.
Wasted on me, tell those poor miners who hammer rocks out of some misplaced frustration
Why, thank you, Thing!
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24517
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:04:09 -
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Because people like to compensate and pick on the weak. Ignore them and enjoy EVE your way.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:09:10 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. Preposterous. (I hope that word wasn't too long for you.) So-called PvP-ers (read: gankers) make this idiotic claim all the time. Your guess is as good as mine. You can toss this BS in with the "hate miners" thing. Just remember, all sociopaths must "objectify" others so they can feel good about themselves engaging in pointless and destructive behavior. (How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles.) It's not that they hate. They feel nothing. It's that using the word "hate" (they imagine) engenders the right groupthink to mask behavior they themselves have a problem with...but are too embarrassed to admit. No. They don't hate miners. They just say that. They think it makes them seem tough, when it's just a form of cowardice. I like your role. It amuses me a lot. It goes a long mile over the head of most, but for me you're forum gold.
Anyhow ... I can play along quite fine, you know?
Miners are the lowest hanging fruit for the lowest hanging fruits, or in other words:
Miners are the easy targets for the sad little bugs who find amusement in picking on those that are even weaker than themselves. BUT it's not about ganking miners.
There's ganking and ganking. Ganking miners per se is fine. The real thing you address starts when people start picking on those they killed. Adding insult to insury. These are those you are actually talking about and I wholeheartedly agree.
Don't get my posts wrong. I am on neither side and I completely understand your point.
Probably waaaaaaaayyyyy more than you can imagine! ;)
edit: accidentially a word or two. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:10:57 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Sol Project wrote:One could enjoy watching local and checking d-scan constantly, yes. One could enjoy being social while mining, yes. One could enjoy watching youtube while mining, yes ...
... but all of these have nothing to do with mining per se. Yep. This is a good way of saying it. I enjoy being in an unarmed can on the verge of being shot at. I think it's a fun mechanic. Okay, two things.
First I have to add your name to my top post and mention you next to Dave Stark.
Second... PUT THAT DAMN THING OUT OF YOUR EYE IT DOES NOT SUIT YOUR LOOKS!
Thanks! |
Iain Cariaba
738
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:12:58 -
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Serene Repose wrote:How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles. Doing something for giggles? This is different for doing something for fun how, exactly? If doing something for fun is being immature, then aren't you immature for playing a game because you want to have fun?
You love to throw the word sociopath around when refering to gankers. I question your qualification to make that call. As a real borderline sociopath, I am well versed in the amount of testing required to acertain such a diagnosis. That you looked up a wikipedia article, thought the word looked good, and decided the broad definition applies to a group of people you dislike, simply does not make that a valid diagnosis.
Until you can provide a valid diagnostic tool, and display its usage towards the entirety of the ganking, your describing them collectively as sociopath is little more than an objectifying label that you use to demean the group and make yourself feel better. Sound familiar?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
2140
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:15:54 -
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It takes literally zero effort to find a miner to gank versus, say, hunting a cov ops exploration vessel doing null-sec sites. Both are harvesting, but one takes an active interest in making sure not to get caught while the other is generally watching Netflix.
It's not necessarily "hate", just disdain that someone is affecting the game without really playing it.
A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24518
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:16:01 -
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So much buttbattering
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:17:41 -
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Serene Repose wrote:How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles. Oh yeah, thanks to the poster above to remind me.
This comment shows that either you have no fun in your life, are extremely bitter, or that you are trolling on a high level.
So, due to this line which kind of ruins the whole post, you only get a 9/10. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18297
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:18:41 -
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Anslo wrote:So much buttbattering
Kohai, such words
I do not know their meaning..
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14164
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:20:42 -
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Miners for a long time were as a collective among the most useless and whine prone pilots in EVE. After several years of culling miners are no longer the most useless ball of whiners in EVE, that tital now goes to haulers.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Paranoid Loyd
2988
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:21:13 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Serene Repose wrote:How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles. Doing something for giggles? This is different for doing something for fun how, exactly? If doing something for fun is being immature, then aren't you immature for playing a game because you want to have fun? You love to throw the word sociopath around when refering to gankers. I question your qualification to make that call. As a real borderline sociopath, I am well versed in the amount of testing required to acertain such a diagnosis. That you looked up a wikipedia article, thought the word looked good, and decided the broad definition applies to a group of people you dislike, simply does not make that a valid diagnosis. Until you can provide a valid diagnostic tool, and display its usage towards the entirety of the ganking, your describing them collectively as sociopath is little more than an objectifying label that you use to demean the group and make yourself feel better. Sound familiar? Easy buddy, he just writes this stuff to see replies like yours and giggle.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6962
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:25:55 -
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baltec1 wrote:Miners for a long time were as a collective among the most useless and whine prone pilots in EVE. After several years of culling miners are no longer the most useless ball of whiners in EVE, that tital now goes to haulers.
You spelled Goons wrong. It's not spelled H-A-U-L-E-R-S.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14169
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:29:20 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Miners for a long time were as a collective among the most useless and whine prone pilots in EVE. After several years of culling miners are no longer the most useless ball of whiners in EVE, that tital now goes to haulers. You spelled Goons wrong. It's not spelled H-A-U-L-E-R-S. Mr Epeen
We aren't the ones who got freighters nerfed.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24518
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:32:16 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Miners for a long time were as a collective among the most useless and whine prone pilots in EVE. After several years of culling miners are no longer the most useless ball of whiners in EVE, that tital now goes to haulers. You spelled Goons wrong. It's not spelled H-A-U-L-E-R-S. Mr Epeen We aren't the ones who got freighters nerfed. You know about ships other than Megathrons? O.O
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1909
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:36:19 -
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Please go ahead and listen to Sahsa Nyemtsov reading James 315s manifesto 2 for a reasonable summary of how utterly terrible miners are and how they have had a massive negative impact on the gameplay of others.
If you get done and you're thinking "Isn't he overstating the negative impact miners have on the gameplay of others?" No he isn't. People hate them for real reasons. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18300
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Posted - 2014.12.12 22:39:55 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Please go ahead and listen to Sahsa Nyemtsov reading James 315s manifesto 2 for a reasonable summary of how utterly terrible miners are and how they have had a massive negative impact on the gameplay of others. If you get done and you're thinking "Isn't he overstating the negative impact miners have on the gameplay of others?" No he isn't. People hate them for real reasons.
Zealots are never able to articulate an argument. I believe it has something to do with being unable to think for themselves.
Sasha does have a wonderful voice though. I'd listen for hours if he was the voice on my books on tape.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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