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Dirritat'z Demblin
unknown dimension Alpha Volley Union
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Posted - 2014.12.13 02:27:17 -
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Sol Project wrote:One can not enjoy mining.
VETO!
Since the Prospect is here, I actually DO enjoy mining now and then. OK, it's not like im geting rich in the proces, but except real PVP, there is nothing like plain ignoring 30+ NPCs in a "hidden"-Belt, see a Navy-Comet warping In, Zoom Off with MWD and see the Comet scramed and shred to pieces by the NPCs you did simply speedtank... AND having 10.000m-¦ of Lowsec-Ore in your Cargo |
Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24588
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:16:16 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Relevant!I think the real reason for Miner hate is the strange though process of the common EVE PvPer. They think like: "Heck, why can't I find people to shoot? If those dastardly High Sec Miners stopped their tomfoolery and PvPed more, I would have something to shoot!" I like to think that if we are playing a Sandbox MMO, why shouldn't we build sand castles? You can build all the sandcastles you like, as long as you're prepared to defend them from people coming to kick them over. If you can't do that, then you're gonna lose your sandcastle. You've got the common thought process of the 'common pvp'er' completely wrong, by the way. The real one is, "everything undocked is a target". Frankly, I don't care if you learn to PVP or not. If you make yourself so easy to kill, that's really only your own problem. Speak for yourself. You should have stayed unsubbed.
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Serene Repose
1747
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:19:53 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. I guess that makes cens...sense.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:33:29 -
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The cool thing about sand castles is building them. After all, at the end of the day, the waves will still come and destroy them. Plus, I prefer my sand castle crude and bucket shaped. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
947
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Posted - 2014.12.13 04:52:40 -
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Dirritat'z Demblin wrote:Sol Project wrote:One can not enjoy mining. VETO! Since the Prospect is here, I actually DO enjoy mining now and then. OK, it's not like im geting rich in the proces, but except real PVP, there is nothing like plain ignoring 30+ NPCs in a "hidden"-Belt, see a Navy-Comet warping In, Zoom Off with MWD and see the Comet scramed and shred to pieces by the NPCs you did simply speedtank... AND having 10.000m-¦ of Lowsec-Ore in your Cargo
I'm inclined to agree with Sol on this. What you're enjoying isn't so much the mining itself as the adventure of staying alive while mining. The actual process of mining is tedious and stressful to most to try and do it right without being sploded. It would be nice if the act was more interactive, but ultimately getting any real enjoyment out of it requires socialization with others while doing so, or going adrenaline junkie like yourself.
Those who can't be bothered to do it in a sane and safe fashion end up becoming victims of natural selection, and naturally this makes them angry. Ill tempered is a common descriptor I'd use for most miners, and I think a good deal of this is due to them trying to convince themselves that they actually enjoy this task they hate so much that they can't be bothered to do it safely or properly. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18416
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Posted - 2014.12.13 05:15:43 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:The cool thing about sand castles is building them. After all, at the end of the day, the waves will still come and destroy them. Plus, I prefer my sand castle crude and bucket shaped.
Speaking of sandcastles, there are two kinds of players in EVE.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Lady Areola Fappington
2360
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Posted - 2014.12.13 05:54:11 -
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I don't hate miners. Hate is a strong emotion. I reserve my hatred for bigots, sexist, and racist people. Miners, no, I don't hate them.
You misinterpret "getting blown up", as "they hate me specifically". In my case, it's nothing personal. You're in an unarmed ship I can reasonably expect to explode. Blowing you (and your pod) up creates the sudden new demand for a mining ship, mining fittings, and implants.
Take a wild guess what I'm selling on an alt a couple systems over, at only 10% above Jita.
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2014.12.13 07:56:27 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:The cool thing about sand castles is building them. After all, at the end of the day, the waves will still come and destroy them. Plus, I prefer my sand castle crude and bucket shaped. Speaking of sandcastles, there are two kinds of players in EVE. Why does the right tower of this castle look like a ...... |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2014.12.13 07:59:39 -
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Dirritat'z Demblin wrote:Sol Project wrote:One can not enjoy mining. VETO! Since the Prospect is here, I actually DO enjoy mining now and then. OK, it's not like im geting rich in the proces, but except real PVP, there is nothing like plain ignoring 30+ NPCs in a "hidden"-Belt, see a Navy-Comet warping In, Zoom Off with MWD and see the Comet scramed and shred to pieces by the NPCs you did simply speedtank... AND having 10.000m-¦ of Lowsec-Ore in your Cargo Aaaand that means that it's not mining you are enjoying.
Please reread my post and then your own. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6181
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Posted - 2014.12.13 08:05:33 -
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Anslo wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Relevant!I think the real reason for Miner hate is the strange though process of the common EVE PvPer. They think like: "Heck, why can't I find people to shoot? If those dastardly High Sec Miners stopped their tomfoolery and PvPed more, I would have something to shoot!" I like to think that if we are playing a Sandbox MMO, why shouldn't we build sand castles? You can build all the sandcastles you like, as long as you're prepared to defend them from people coming to kick them over. If you can't do that, then you're gonna lose your sandcastle. You've got the common thought process of the 'common pvp'er' completely wrong, by the way. The real one is, "everything undocked is a target". Frankly, I don't care if you learn to PVP or not. If you make yourself so easy to kill, that's really only your own problem. Speak for yourself. You should have stayed unsubbed.
You can have a personal problem with me, or you can grow the **** up. Either way, I am speaking for myself, along with the demonstrable majority of PVP'ers in my area. Don't believe me? Spend five minutes in Aridia and see how you hold up against the Russians there. Everything's a target. If it's not, you're doing it wrong.
I wouldn't be surprised, actually, if you were doing it completely wrong.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Josef Djugashvilis
2753
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Posted - 2014.12.13 08:06:48 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate?
It is mostly by players who lack the ability to think for themselves, so they jump on the pixel hardman bandwagon in the hope that they will be seen as part of the 'gang'
This is not a signature.
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Zedutchman
The Miners of Hyperion
12
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:48:10 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I don't hate miners. Hate is a strong emotion. I reserve my hatred for bigots, sexist, and racist people. Miners, no, I don't hate them.
You misinterpret "getting blown up", as "they hate me specifically". In my case, it's nothing personal. You're in an unarmed ship I can reasonably expect to explode. Blowing you (and your pod) up creates the sudden new demand for a mining ship, mining fittings, and implants.
Take a wild guess what I'm selling on an alt a couple systems over, at only 10% above Jita.
THIS.... in capital letters.
It has nothing to do with how you play the game. It has nothing to do with "hate", and it SURE as hell has nothing to do with "CODE" and there ridiculous manifesto.
They don't even believe what they are spouting. They get paid to do it...... PAID WELL to do it. Look at their site.... where do you think all that money comes from....
The big null-bear alliances, the ship-makers, and the traders. Anyone who benefits from high mineral prices, high-ship prices, and chasing new miners, new manufactures, and new "competition" out of the game.
It's like the first episode of Justified.
"I know your too damn smart to believe that Bull S%$t your spouting. You just wanna make money and blow s&it up. " |
Cosmic Girl96
Red Swords
21
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:00:21 -
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I'm a miner myself but the hate generally directed towards us doesn't bother me at all. I mine to make my money while I train my combat-oriented skills.
In fact, this hate towards miners encourages me to fit my exhumer intelligently and to always be on alert in case of random gankers or bumpers who wish to ruin my day.
Do I actually enjoy mining? The answer is I don't mind it when I have my music playing in the background while I'm either chatting away with contacts of mine or random people in local, but then again when I mine I have Cosmic fleeted up with my other toon so managing 2 exhumers plus an Orca for hauling my ore kind of breaks the monotony.
I do agree though that mining with just one toon in one ship can be pretty boring, especially when your not doing something concurrently.
At least Cosmic has a delicious body wrapped up in black latex that I can stare at in full-body view while my 2 exhumers sit in space shooting lasers at space rocks. |
Darren Airtex
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:30:19 -
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Everyone has a opinion on this. Myself, well, I do not really enjoy mining to much, but fitting a mining ship out with something other than what is needed for mining can be fun, just sit at a belt and see who shows up to shoot at you. The reaction you can get is just something that makes you feel good from your implants to your toes. It is always a thrill to see someone's ship explode and they have a bad reaction to it. Especially having that ship exploded by what looks like a helpless target.
I do however sometimes mine, but I just use the mats from it to build something to go shoot other people in.
Having a mining skill can also be used for something else.
Bait
My personal favorite, Place a nice target in a field and surround it with some cloaked bombers, there is always some poor sucker that will try to take that worm off the hook.
So, yes, mining has it's uses. So I do not hate miners.
The point being, use what you have available and make the most of it. Stop hating and start using whatever it is you dislike and make it work for you. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:33:14 -
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Cosmic Girl96 wrote:I'm a miner myself but the hate generally directed towards us doesn't bother me at all. I mine to make my money while I train my combat-oriented skills. In fact, this hate towards miners encourages me to fit my exhumer intelligently and to always be on alert in case of random gankers or bumpers who wish to ruin my day. Do I actually enjoy mining? The answer is I don't mind it when I have my music playing in the background while I'm either chatting away with contacts of mine or random people in local, but then again when I mine I have Cosmic fleeted up with my other toon so managing 2 exhumers plus an Orca for hauling my ore kind of breaks the monotony. I do agree though that mining with just one toon in one ship can be pretty boring, especially when your not doing something concurrently. At least Cosmic has a delicious body wrapped up in black latex that I can stare at in full-body view while my 2 exhumers sit in space shooting lasers at space rocks. Do you get angry when someone tou hes your "rocks" ? |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18565
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:52:50 -
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I do. The best thing about having a mining vessel already in belt is it makes an excellent scout to warp to with an alt.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
240
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:02:57 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate?
The reason miner _haters hate miners is because the miners are not playing the game the way the miner_haters want the miners to play the game.
Pretty much as simple as that.
If you want to mine, you should mine and f%*k the bozos.
I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it.
- Bill Frug
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
231
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:08:07 -
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Hate is far to strong a word to use in a computer game. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
594
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:11:01 -
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I have seen spiteful entitlement that boils down to, "How dare you evade me? Get back out here! I deserve to shoot you!"
Player vesus Player is different to Killer and Victim
CSM Ten movement for change.
EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims.
Status: Rabid carebear
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24628
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:11:04 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Anslo wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Relevant!I think the real reason for Miner hate is the strange though process of the common EVE PvPer. They think like: "Heck, why can't I find people to shoot? If those dastardly High Sec Miners stopped their tomfoolery and PvPed more, I would have something to shoot!" I like to think that if we are playing a Sandbox MMO, why shouldn't we build sand castles? You can build all the sandcastles you like, as long as you're prepared to defend them from people coming to kick them over. If you can't do that, then you're gonna lose your sandcastle. You've got the common thought process of the 'common pvp'er' completely wrong, by the way. The real one is, "everything undocked is a target". Frankly, I don't care if you learn to PVP or not. If you make yourself so easy to kill, that's really only your own problem. Speak for yourself. You should have stayed unsubbed. You can have a personal problem with me, or you can grow the **** up. Your choice, Captain Salty. Either way, I am speaking for myself, along with the demonstrable majority of PVP'ers in my area. Don't believe me? Spend five minutes in Aridia and see how you hold up against the Russians there. Everything's a target. If it's not, you're doing it wrong. I wouldn't be surprised, actually, if you were doing it completely wrong. Aspbergers intensifying. You merely adopted the rus. We were born in it. Molded by it. Trained to be rus stronk and crush enemies like skull of pig))) If the pvpers around you are like you then top ******* lol no wonder you kept losing **** to the same people. Rage revenge eh?
Scrub.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1973
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:18:16 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:why so much hate towards miners?
I don't hate miners - their ships are as good as anyone else's for blowing up.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:21:15 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate?
Kestral, i know exactly what you're talking about. when i started playing eve, i was a miner. i spent all my time training mining skills and mining. back then, i didn't know how else to make ISK. i don't mine any longer, and spend the vast majority of my time PVPing on this toon.
to be honest, i've never understood why there seems to be so much animosity towards that career path. maybe it's because at the core, eve is a PVP-centric game, and hard core PVPers see miners as people who don't want to participate in the game play they consider to be fun. of course, that's a childish way of looking at the game, but there are some they don't understand the fact that eve has so much more to offer other than PVP, and some people enjoy other avenues.
whatever the reason, i see miners as performing a task in eve that benefits everyone - especially PVPers. after all, where do people think all these ships come from? there are a lot of players that think they just appear on the market magically, and aren't aware that miners provide the raw material from which everything we use is created.
so, my advice is to play the game the way YOU want to play it.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:21:19 -
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Sibyyl wrote: I do. The best thing about having a mining vessel already in belt is it makes an excellent scout to warp to with an alt.
WOOOOOSH ........ |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Soul Takers
256
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:43:18 -
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I would like to point out that when you mine and sell minerals you are competing against other players trying to make ISK on the mineral market.
Therefore mining is technically PVP.
No changes to skill points EVER!!!
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:13:39 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:I would like to point out that when you mine and sell minerals you are competing against other players trying to make ISK on the mineral market.
Therefore mining is technically PVP. Technically by that standard, everything is PvP. Wait a minute... 'MMORPG' |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
49317
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:25:48 -
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I don't hate miners. But I do hate highsec mining corps, to be more specific those highsec mining corps that aggressively recruit newbies and push them into the miner career, keeping them from experiencing any other content of this wonderfully terrible game.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Neurotox
Brave Operations - Lollipop Division Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:29:09 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:I would like to point out that when you mine and sell minerals you are competing against other players trying to make ISK on the mineral market.
Therefore mining is technically PVP. Technically by that standard, everything is PvP. Wait a minute... 'MMORPG'
You cry a lot. |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:46:45 -
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Neurotox wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:I would like to point out that when you mine and sell minerals you are competing against other players trying to make ISK on the mineral market.
Therefore mining is technically PVP. Technically by that standard, everything is PvP. Wait a minute... 'MMORPG' You cry a lot. Define what you mean. |
Equinnox Dethahal
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:22:40 -
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I have an account for just mining. I like to mine while I do work ect in the background. Its nice to be able to sit there and mine when I cant focus 100% on playing (yes I get the risk involved with this)
For the amount of time spent mining, I have found that at least in high sec, its the absolute worst money to time activity, on top of the fact you basically need to be doing something else, watching tv or something...while doing it...there isn't much to it (I appreciate its lack of attention demand)
Im sure nullsec mining is way more profitable.
Thing is I get the hate towards it. Its boring (please don't ever make mining an attention demanding task btw) its possibly the lowest profit activity in game aside from ship spinning in station.
I have to imagine that you lose a ton of ships mining in low/null where the decent money is, which probably negates the profits of being there....as well as probably requiring several players near to babysit you..
I wish there was more to mining than watching a 3min cycle time on boring looking rocks, while my drones methodically kill then salvage NPC's.
I cant possibly see how anyone with one character could go into mining and stay in the game longer than the trial however. Especially when they realize how much more profitable other activities and roles are... |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:42:07 -
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Equinnox Dethahal wrote:I have an account for just mining. I like to mine while I do work ect in the background. Its nice to be able to sit there and mine when I cant focus 100% on playing (yes I get the risk involved with this).
And blah. You could try station trading for another form of passive AFK ISK generation. No risk involved, and it's quite a bit more profitable. It's even more boring to look at, but hey, ISK, right? |
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