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Saint Celeste
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:50:18 -
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Equinnox Dethahal wrote:I have an account for just mining. I like to mine while I do work ect in the background. Its nice to be able to sit there and mine when I cant focus 100% on playing (yes I get the risk involved with this)
For the amount of time spent mining, I have found that at least in high sec, its the absolute worst money to time activity, on top of the fact you basically need to be doing something else, watching tv or something...while doing it...there isn't much to it (I appreciate its lack of attention demand)
Im sure nullsec mining is way more profitable.
Thing is I get the hate towards it. Its boring (please don't ever make mining an attention demanding task btw) its possibly the lowest profit activity in game aside from ship spinning in station.
I have to imagine that you lose a ton of ships mining in low/null where the decent money is, which probably negates the profits of being there....as well as probably requiring several players near to babysit you..
I wish there was more to mining than watching a 3min cycle time on boring looking rocks, while my drones methodically kill then salvage NPC's.
I cant possibly see how anyone with one character could go into mining and stay in the game longer than the trial however. Especially when they realize how much more profitable other activities and roles are...
my main toon has done just that due to space madness. for no less than 3 years solo.....yep i know crazy.....but you learn a bit intel wise that isn't really apparent at first glance.
you can find out a lot by sitting in one area doing the same thing. you can also find out a bit of information on where certain PVP'ers live when not shooting ships but shooting rocks themselves and your not shooting rocks but sitting in Cloak nearby. if done right mining can lead to an alternate spy role, one that seeks and finds information, not for profit, but a much more sinister purpose, one of vengeance.
don't underestimate the importance of such information though....you never know whose hands may be greased......EVE is a wonderful place, in sandboxes you can chuck sand or you can get sand in your eyes or you can get even.
not only that but if you pick your mining area's intelligently then you can get by without losing a single ship or paying a single ransom.
really depends on how you utilize what you have got at your disposal just the same as if you like shooting lasers at ships [which is the same thing as shooting rocks in space- no difference- beside the reason for tears if you lose your ship or your target of ganking, but those tears aren't really all that different as both parties cry about much the same thing on different sides of a fence]
sure mining is mind numbing [my other toon knows probably better than most, based on what i know here- which is limited to say the least] but those selfsame PVP toons do the same if they cannot rely on alliances or trade deals.
it's not so much a hate as people have mentioned.
it's that you do the same mistake without progressing the game forward, if your idle and don't do much you are a target of someone wanting to see a countdown timer or a module [weapon] just the same as you enjoy not shooting ships but somewhat enjoying shooting rocks.
best advice is don't make yourself a target. you do that by paying attention to what you are doing. and learn and move onward and ever upwards and slightly to the left.....seriously if i had to say i hated someone it'd be the scammers if not for any other reason than because i can. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
66
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:15:52 -
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Stereotyping incoming
EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality.
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:28:32 -
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Chronoxi wrote:Stereotyping incoming EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality. Stereotyping indeed. |
Saint Celeste
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:33:38 -
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Chronoxi wrote:Stereotyping incoming EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality.
just like real life or any other MMORPG. shocking to discover i know. i didn't believe it myself either. |
Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:42:26 -
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Saint Celeste wrote:Chronoxi wrote:Stereotyping incoming EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality. just like real life or any other MMORPG. shocking to discover i know. i didn't believe it myself either.
*gasp* how.... how can this be?! This revelation must be made known to the world at once! The faith of earth is at stake!
'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.12.14 01:14:32 -
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Anslo wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Anslo wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Relevant!I think the real reason for Miner hate is the strange though process of the common EVE PvPer. They think like: "Heck, why can't I find people to shoot? If those dastardly High Sec Miners stopped their tomfoolery and PvPed more, I would have something to shoot!" I like to think that if we are playing a Sandbox MMO, why shouldn't we build sand castles? You can build all the sandcastles you like, as long as you're prepared to defend them from people coming to kick them over. If you can't do that, then you're gonna lose your sandcastle. You've got the common thought process of the 'common pvp'er' completely wrong, by the way. The real one is, "everything undocked is a target". Frankly, I don't care if you learn to PVP or not. If you make yourself so easy to kill, that's really only your own problem. Speak for yourself. You should have stayed unsubbed. You can have a personal problem with me, or you can grow the **** up. Your choice, Captain Salty. Either way, I am speaking for myself, along with the demonstrable majority of PVP'ers in my area. Don't believe me? Spend five minutes in Aridia and see how you hold up against the Russians there. Everything's a target. If it's not, you're doing it wrong. I wouldn't be surprised, actually, if you were doing it completely wrong. Aspbergers intensifying. You merely adopted the rus. We were born in it. Molded by it. Trained to be rus stronk and crush enemies like skull of pig))) If the pvpers around you are like you then top ******* lol no wonder you kept losing **** to the same people. Rage revenge eh? Scrub.
So, you've chosen to have a personal problem. Which means it's not mine. So, have fun with that.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.12.14 01:19:23 -
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I don't hate miners. I do hate the ability to generate wealth while AFK. Isk should be earned through real effort, not through AFK play. |
Saint Celeste
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.14 01:46:04 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I don't hate miners. I do hate the ability to generate wealth while AFK. Isk should be earned through real effort, not through AFK play.
how about PI ....that is passive and taking isk without effort. man i hate those PI guy's......mining isn't the only effortless afk inducing activities in New Eden......think about PI...won't someone think of the PI.... |
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.14 03:21:17 -
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Hmmm this boils down to the care bear argument I think
The Halo co'd diehards feel any who are not actively participating in the game in a destructive fashion are to be hated and feared because you are the cybernetic version of their parents...doing the right thing and working towards success while they want to rebel and blow **** up...
This is because they are children who need a little human contact to not be asshats
truly we are dealing with peeps who are venting in a virtual dimension. It is my suggestion to feel gratitude that they are not taking this aggression in to the real world and to make an effort to encourage healthy social interaction
and finally to make a point of pretending to be their mums and tell them that it is time fore bed and to brush their teeth
but the best way is to do some missions till you have locator agents worth a dime then hunt them down then pod them...make sure to mention the above parenting troll as you pod them as this will be an equivalent pimp slap and they will appreciate it...in a couple of years
as always Scope For the Win
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Vapor
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:46:55 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You want to know why people hate miners? I was talking to a guy on Reddit the other day about precisely that, and here is what he told me. Quote:Newbro here. Finally got my mining barge after pushing for mining from the start. Hate it. I'm too cautious to afk mine and I hate the idea of even having to do that. I want to play this game. I feel like I don't have any other available thing to do. I understand I won't be rich right away but I really can't see myself doing nonstop mining haul after mining haul. It's not fun at all. I feel like the only thing I can do is queue up a month's worth of skills and come back with a little more available to me and Plex it off. It doesn't sound fun to me in the slightest. I'm so lost in this game and I don't know if I should even continue. That's why I hate miners.
Poor, sad, deluded Kaarous.
Please take your 'personal issues' to another game.
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.12.14 10:05:52 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Digital tough guys - my favorite kind. I have a like on a post in this thread...that's GONE. Can you believe that? How do such things happen? Is the internet HAUNTED?? OR...*** ***** ****** ***** ******* *******?
Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.12.14 13:53:25 -
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I don't hate miners. And I think people who do are childish and immature.
Unless we're talking about one guy owning 20+ accounts absolutely clearing an area of minerals, then there's no mature reason to hate miners. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
571
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Posted - 2014.12.14 14:11:49 -
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I think the OP has it completely backwards.
I mean there aren't really a lot of people who actually hate miners. And don't confuse blowing up their ships with hate or something it's really more a fun thing.
On the other hand I get a lot of hate from the miners whos ships I incinerate for fun. It seams there are a lot of very unbalanced people among them who can't take a loss in a competitive multiplayer game. I mean the rules and game mechanics are clear and if you undock an unarmed and untanked vessel into space you shouldn't be surprised if it goes up in flames.
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M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
619
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:13:32 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate? Good question. For a great answer read https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762
What if I don't want to read 30 pages of James513's egotistical drivel?
Edit: Inb4umadbro?
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:18:04 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I don't hate miners. Hate is a strong emotion. I reserve my hatred for bigots, sexist, and racist people. Miners, no, I don't hate them.
You misinterpret "getting blown up", as "they hate me specifically". In my case, it's nothing personal. You're in an unarmed ship I can reasonably expect to explode. Blowing you (and your pod) up creates the sudden new demand for a mining ship, mining fittings, and implants.
Take a wild guess what I'm selling on an alt a couple systems over, at only 10% above Jita.
Now THIS is a good reason to gank miners. Create the supply, then create the demand. Clever.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:39:29 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: On the other hand I get a lot of hate from the miners whos ships I incinerate for fun.
Oh you poor inocent lamb.
This after you realy do everything to pi-ss those "unbalanced" people of. You earn your hatred, you know why and you use this thread to boast with it.
I am sure nobody will notice!
So *you* wanna talk about "unbalanced". You feel smarter them then, i can tell...
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:51:09 -
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La Rynx wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: On the other hand I get a lot of hate from the miners whos ships I incinerate for fun.
Oh you poor inocent lamb. This after you realy do everything to pi-ss those "unbalanced" people of. You earn your hatred, you know why and you use this thread to boast with it. I am sure nobody will notice! So *you* wanna talk about "unbalanced". You feel smarter them then, i can tell... Rynx for CSM
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:53:48 -
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Why hate the miners? Why hate WoW?
Don't know, like a EvE ritual for me. All ships in EvE are build by players with some little exceptions, like AT Wins and Aniversery stuff. Every resource for those ships has to be retrieved.
Remembering that: Even codies have mining alts. Some are naive believers, some other codies do it to reduce comeptition. Goons and other aliances? They have their own mining fleets.
Why the hate? It is easier to sanctify killing defensless victims, if you put some reason behind it. so the lame code excuses: beginners have to learn. hisecminers destroy the market. everything is fair game. this is pvp and miners have to be aware of that and have no right to be upset.
and on and on.
Miners can be proud, because they don't give up, even when they are hunted by idio-not so smart people to afraid to go to losec them self.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:01:39 -
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Okay we can close this thread now, as the uberhaters are taking over now. |
Commentus Nolen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:02:43 -
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Let's not turn this into a ganking argument thread!!!!!!!!
There are more than enough.
Back on topic please. |
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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:46:47 -
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Zedutchman wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I don't hate miners. Hate is a strong emotion. I reserve my hatred for bigots, sexist, and racist people. Miners, no, I don't hate them.
You misinterpret "getting blown up", as "they hate me specifically". In my case, it's nothing personal. You're in an unarmed ship I can reasonably expect to explode. Blowing you (and your pod) up creates the sudden new demand for a mining ship, mining fittings, and implants.
Take a wild guess what I'm selling on an alt a couple systems over, at only 10% above Jita. THIS.... in capital letters. It has nothing to do with how you play the game. It has nothing to do with "hate", and it SURE as hell has nothing to do with "CODE" and there ridiculous manifesto. They don't even believe what they are spouting. They get paid to do it...... PAID WELL to do it. Look at their site.... where do you think all that money comes from.... The big null-bear alliances, the ship-makers, and the traders. Anyone who benefits from high mineral prices, high-ship prices, and chasing new miners, new manufactures, and new "competition" out of the game. It's like the first episode of Justified. "I know your too damn smart to believe that Bull S%$t your spouting. You just wanna make money and blow s&it up. "
Actually most of our funding comes from people who like stories on minerbumping or watching exploits in local chat. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:54:35 -
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Sol Project wrote:Okay we can close this thread now, as the uberhaters are taking over now.
I give you an
++ or bigger an +£
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:55:53 -
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Null Sec mining done right is safer than High Sec mining.
I have a long list of people. There are regular reds, there are old war targets to pick on one day, there are really slimy people that right at the top of the list but only one is in a special category.
He used to seed books in a low sec system, knowing which ones the newbies would need next and he would sit on that gate and kill them day in and day out. I am quite sure we lost a lot of players to that guy because they thought that was what EVE was about. I nearly quit.
Anyway, fast forward six months or so and I make a good friend, they have multiple toons, loads of ISK, etc and are bored. I mention this guy, we buy some pilots, get in his alliance and tore it apart. It was so simple really. The things people say about each other when they are offline, especially in an overly competitive machismo group, was perfect fuel for a fire.
TL;DR - There are too many d-bags to get revenge on them all and EVE mechanics are in their favour.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:58:41 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Actually most of our funding comes from people who like stories on minerbumping or watching exploits in local chat.
More likely that you are "usefull idio-no-so-smart people" keeping competition down.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec mining done right is safer than High Sec mining.
So it is! The "battle" is more "fair" since both sides have the same restrictions and hisec mechanics can not be abused so much.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:04:23 -
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Stupid people. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:10:55 -
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La Rynx wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec mining done right is safer than High Sec mining.
So it is! The "battle" is more "fair" since both sides have the same restrictions and hisec mechanics can not be abused so much.
The intel from 5 systems away doesn't hurt either. Can actually get safe before interceptors get on top of you.
CSM Ten movement for change.
EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims.
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:17:19 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate?
Some people just want to pad their killboards with easy kills. Most just lack any true pvp skill and go after miners to compensate. Its almost like someone baiting noobs in a starter system and thinking thats good pvp.
As a miner, you just have to adapt. Dont go afk. Pay attention to overview. Watch dscan. And always stay aligned. Warp the second anything potentially hostile shows up. And keep plenty of replacement ships in hangar.
I mine a lot when im not out hunting. I haven't lost a ship while mining since I was a noob back in 2010. Its not hard to avoid losing a ship. Just use common sense. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2014.12.14 18:06:15 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate? Some people just want to pad their killboards with easy kills. Most just lack any true pvp skill and go after miners to compensate. Its almost like someone baiting noobs in a starter system and thinking thats good pvp. As a miner, you just have to adapt. Dont go afk. Pay attention to overview. Watch dscan. And always stay aligned. Warp the second anything potentially hostile shows up. And keep plenty of replacement ships in hangar. I mine a lot when im not out hunting. I haven't lost a ship while mining since I was a noob back in 2010. Its not hard to avoid losing a ship. Just use common sense.
Indeed!
I lost quite some ships, but none of them to gankers. As a newb i lost 2 ventures to afk mining and rats and the rest to pvp guys better than me.
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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
337
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Posted - 2014.12.14 20:30:48 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. that doesn't explain why though?
Why? For the same reason that 4th grader just got beat up by the five 7th graders. The difference is, in EVE, if you cry about it you'll just beat up again tomorrow.
Is it right? Nah, and yah the over-harassment of miners does make us lose some subs with new players. All you can do is pity the "players" that would rather pick on a HS miner instead of a PVPer.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.14 20:32:37 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:La Rynx wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Null Sec mining done right is safer than High Sec mining.
So it is! The "battle" is more "fair" since both sides have the same restrictions and hisec mechanics can not be abused so much. The intel from 5 systems away doesn't hurt either. Can actually get safe before interceptors get on top of you.
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