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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2014.12.14 20:57:10 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. that doesn't explain why though? Why? For the same reason that 4th grader just got beat up by the five 7th graders. The difference is, in EVE, if you cry about it you'll just beat up again tomorrow. Is it right? Nah, and yah the over-harassment of miners does make us lose some subs with new players. All you can do is pity the "players" that would rather pick on a HS miner instead of a PVPer. I rather pity the "player" who mines, while not actually contributing anything valueable to the game.
A miner who unsubs is a miner no one needed. He never cared enough about playing, he never cared about understanding that it was his choice to get shot at to begin with, and goddamn if you don't know who your daddy is, then you better get out of the ******* house. |
Senyu Takashi
NGC research and development Imperium of Rising Luna
9
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:03:38 -
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Sol Project wrote:Coffee Rocks wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. that doesn't explain why though? Why? For the same reason that 4th grader just got beat up by the five 7th graders. The difference is, in EVE, if you cry about it you'll just beat up again tomorrow. Is it right? Nah, and yah the over-harassment of miners does make us lose some subs with new players. All you can do is pity the "players" that would rather pick on a HS miner instead of a PVPer. I rather pity the "player" who mines, while not actually contributing anything valueable to the game............
INB4 ships, ammo, drones, charges and modules are not valuable.
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
198
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:25:11 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Hi All, As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners? Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever. So why the hate?
The reason why pilots hate minors is a purely sociopathic mentality. They attack miners because they are easy kills which they like but they then hate theirselves for having to kill a defenseless miner who they attacked because the miner was defenseless and the miner ganker is not able to pvp in low or null because they then become the victim which they hate as well.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24680
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:34:28 -
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Sol Project wrote:Coffee Rocks wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Sol Project wrote:Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be, where people get to make their own stories.
Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means, the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox. that doesn't explain why though? Why? For the same reason that 4th grader just got beat up by the five 7th graders. The difference is, in EVE, if you cry about it you'll just beat up again tomorrow. Is it right? Nah, and yah the over-harassment of miners does make us lose some subs with new players. All you can do is pity the "players" that would rather pick on a HS miner instead of a PVPer. I rather pity the "player" who mines, while not actually contributing anything valueable to the game. A miner who unsubs is a miner no one needed. He never cared enough about playing, he never cared about understanding that it was his choice to get shot at to begin with, and goddamn if you don't know who your daddy is, then you better get out of the ******* house. Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't.
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
32
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Posted - 2014.12.14 23:12:48 -
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lol. Was already covered by a couple of people on the first page but.. People don't hate miners. Also, Anslo. Sol Project probably PvPs. Which contributes to the game. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
235
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Posted - 2014.12.14 23:15:08 -
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Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:lol. Was already covered by a couple of people on the first page but.. People don't hate miners. Also, Anslo. Sol Project probably PvPs. Which contributes to the game. Cheers!
Responding to arrogant videogame toughguys, who believe they know everything that's going on isn't worth it though.
He's more of a mental case than I am. ;) |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10815
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:36:20 -
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Anslo wrote: Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't.
Miners don't contribute to the community at all.
They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Senyu Takashi
NGC research and development Imperium of Rising Luna
9
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:25:27 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote: Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't.
Miners don't contribute to the community at all. They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others. The same can be said about gankers. They dont contribute to the community at all, interaction with them is basically on an NPC level (i.e. getting attacked, nothing else) and they are periodicaly blown up by CONCORD/tanked barges with drones for the amusement of others. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10815
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:29:21 -
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Senyu Takashi wrote: The same can be said about gankers. They dont contribute to the community at all, interaction with them is basically on an NPC level (i.e. getting attacked, nothing else) and they are periodicaly blown up by CONCORD/tanked barges with drones for the amusement of others.
Of course they interact with others. They shoot them.
Chewing on an asteroid belt all day? Not so much.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1769
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:29:54 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Miners don't contribute to the community at all.
They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others.
And if you really believe that and aren't just trolling people, I feel very very sorry for you. |
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
236
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:36:32 -
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Senyu Takashi wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote: Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't.
Miners don't contribute to the community at all. They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others. The same can be said about gankers. They dont contribute to the community at all, interaction with them is basically on an NPC level (i.e. getting attacked, nothing else) and they are periodicaly blown up by CONCORD/tanked barges with drones for the amusement of others. I sadly can't even disagree here.
The suicide gankers of nowadays aren't really worth talking about and they use game mechanics as a excuse for their cowardish behaviour.
But with that being said, they still do more than miners do. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10815
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:52:11 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Miners don't contribute to the community at all.
They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others.
And if you really believe that and aren't just trolling people, I feel very very sorry for you.
Yes, Nevyn, I, without reservation or hesitance disregard the feelings of people who pay CCP fifteen dollars a month to afk in a belt all day.
If they're going to do that, then blowing them up is pretty much akin to shooting an exploding barrel in a shooter game. All that barrel exists for is for me to shoot it, blow it up, and derive some small enjoyment from having done so.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Senyu Takashi
NGC research and development Imperium of Rising Luna
10
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Posted - 2014.12.15 02:12:11 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Miners don't contribute to the community at all.
They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others.
And if you really believe that and aren't just trolling people, I feel very very sorry for you. Yes, Nevyn, I, without reservation or hesitance disregard the feelings of people who pay CCP fifteen dollars a month to afk in a belt all day. If they're going to do that, then blowing them up is pretty much akin to shooting an exploding barrel in a shooter game. All that barrel exists for is for me to shoot it, blow it up, and derive some small enjoyment from having done so.
Tbh what everyone does with his or her gametime is their private stuff.
I, for example, mine minerals in 0.0 to supply my industry activities. And since hauling minerals from HS to 0.0 is a PITA (it was even before the JD nerf) mining is my only source of material. So I mine minerals while dodging any potentialy hostile players, build a ship, make some ammo, sell all of it and then I spend the rest of my day with the feeling that my ship will be used to kill some guy somewhere and sometime, essentialy making me indirectly responsible for some players ship loss.
If thats "not contributing to the community" or "not interacting with other players" according to you, then I think youre just one of the "the only way to play EVE right is my way" kind of players.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10816
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Posted - 2014.12.15 02:26:54 -
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Senyu Takashi wrote: I, for example, mine minerals in 0.0 to supply my industry activities. And since hauling minerals from HS to 0.0 is a PITA (it was even before the JD nerf) mining is my only source of material. So I mine minerals while dodging any potentialy hostile players, build a ship, make some ammo, sell all of it and then I spend the rest of my day with the feeling that my ship will be used to kill some guy somewhere and sometime, essentialy making me indirectly responsible for some players ship loss.
If thats "not contributing to the community" or "not interacting with other players" according to you, then I think youre just one of the "the only way to play EVE right is my way" kind of players.
Congratulations, you aren't a miner.
You're an industrialist. Yes, there is a difference.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
469
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Posted - 2014.12.15 02:31:47 -
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I mine quite a bit and have never felt hated by anyone.
I also don't ***** about (and actually enjoy) the fact that you can shoot other people anywhere in this game. That may have something to do with it.
Vote Sabriz!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9112
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Posted - 2014.12.15 02:39:51 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:I mine quite a bit and have never felt hated by anyone.
I also don't ***** about (and actually enjoy) the fact that you can shoot other people anywhere in this game. That may have something to do with it.
And that, sir, makes you a real (and adult) EVE Online player. I do a lot of PVE of various types, I've also never felt any hate because of that.
Now, coming onto the forum and advocating self-reliance, intelligence and a sense personal responsibility while calling out whiny entitled juveniles who should have never chosen a game like this in the 1st place? Yea, you do get a lot of hate for that |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
799
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:06:38 -
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I don't hate miners; I enjoy profiteering off their exploded spaceships.
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:11:22 -
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Kinda look at it like this ,
every one hates Sony .
yet they watch Sony movies listen to Sony music watch Sony tv play Sony games on their sony computers , game consoles, portables etc etc etc,
so your kinda like Sony maybe a lil less evil but im not sure about that . |
Hannibal Carlisle
Black Storm Cartel Snuggle Struggle.
23
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:34:53 -
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I like miners. There would not be much eve without them. I do in fact have a mining alt, and mine a good amount. It's just that sometimes I am completely unable to resist the urge to see if I can make a mining ship go 'pop' before the police arrive. I generally have a hauler on standby in case there is undamaged wares/ore in the wreck, so it's not even a completely senseless act of random violence. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
604
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:55:03 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Zedutchman wrote:It has nothing to do with how you play the game. It has nothing to do with "hate", and it SURE as hell has nothing to do with "CODE" and there ridiculous manifesto. Actually most of our funding comes from people who like stories on minerbumping or watching exploits in local chat. Code is like Marmite, a name with a lot of ineffectual players. Yes they blow some ships up but if you look at the ISK they get, the pilots involved and just how ineffectual they really are then you do nothing but laugh. As an example, go have a look at Marmite. War after war with 0-5 kills and no renewals. They fear anything organised.
baltec1 wrote:Suddenly wormholes. Seldom organised, also worried about what is on the other side. Don't open the ones that spawn in your system and then drop a cloaked ship into theirs. Think they have a camp? Interceptor with a regular cloak and probe launcher goes a long way.
Bubble your side, have eyes on the worm hole and drone boats in the belt with you to kill their interceptors.
CSM Ten movement for change.
EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims.
Status: Rabid carebear
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
471
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:01:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:I mine quite a bit and have never felt hated by anyone.
I also don't ***** about (and actually enjoy) the fact that you can shoot other people anywhere in this game. That may have something to do with it. And that, sir, makes you a real (and adult) EVE Online player. I do a lot of PVE of various types, I've also never felt any hate because of that. Now, coming onto the forum and advocating self-reliance, intelligence and a sense personal responsibility while calling out whiny entitled juveniles who should have never chosen a game like this in the 1st place? Yea, you do get a lot of hate for that
Eh, I dunno. I'd advocate working with a group to ensure safety and better ensure your own success. But I get what you're going for here.
And yeah, telling folks they have to work together when all they want to do is be solo....that'll get you some hate. F*** those people.
Vote Sabriz!
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dark heartt
522
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:21:11 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote: Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't.
Miners don't contribute to the community at all. They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others.
Dammit I know your comment is bait, but **** it...
Cool, enjoy having nothing to fly around in without miners.
http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
2141
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:46:14 -
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dark heartt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Miners don't contribute to the community at all.
They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others. Dammit I know your comment is bait, but **** it... Cool, enjoy having nothing to fly around in without miners. Are you going to quit mining to show him who's boss?
A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18953
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:10:37 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:I don't hate miners; I enjoy profiteering off their exploded spaceships.
A bit like squeezing blood out of a turnip, isn't it?
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
100
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:14:42 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Senyu Takashi wrote: I, for example, mine minerals in 0.0 to supply my industry activities. And since hauling minerals from HS to 0.0 is a PITA (it was even before the JD nerf) mining is my only source of material. So I mine minerals while dodging any potentialy hostile players, build a ship, make some ammo, sell all of it and then I spend the rest of my day with the feeling that my ship will be used to kill some guy somewhere and sometime, essentialy making me indirectly responsible for some players ship loss.
If thats "not contributing to the community" or "not interacting with other players" according to you, then I think youre just one of the "the only way to play EVE right is my way" kind of players.
Congratulations, you aren't a miner. You're an industrialist. Yes, there is a difference.
Well since a miner doesn't interact with anyone else, i wonder what happens to the minerals they mine? They must really have a large storage of minerals filling up their stations and not selling them to any orders right?
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Josef Djugashvilis
2759
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:24:25 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anslo wrote: Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't.
Miners don't contribute to the community at all. They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others.
Dear Kaarous...
Your post pretty much sums you up.
Sad really.
If you go to the Eve New Citizen Q&A they will explain how miners contribute to the game, materials for building stuff etc.
This is not a signature.
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dark heartt
522
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:52:21 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:dark heartt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Miners don't contribute to the community at all.
They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others. Dammit I know your comment is bait, but **** it... Cool, enjoy having nothing to fly around in without miners. Are you going to quit mining to show him who's boss?
I already did. Exploration is far more fun.
http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1592
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Posted - 2014.12.15 10:39:54 -
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It makes no sense to truly hate somebody for whatever he does in the game. I don't even hate my immediate enemies. That emotion is reserved for real ********* in real life, like politicians and sectarian warmongers. I do have a strong dislike for certain personality traits that happen to be most prevalent in clueless highsec players.
I once FC-ed a T1 cruiser roam which was open to blues and this guy comes on TS, whom I had never met. His first question? 'Do I get paid for being on this fleet?' I tell him that's not the case and he says 'ok I'll go mining then'. Good grief. Sure, go mine before you lose a ship your corp won't reimburse, god forbid you lose a Vexor. Do you want reimbursement with that?
It's a certain attitude people find annoying, and not the act of mining in and of itself. If you can mine without turning into a clueless AFKer all power to you. |
Senyu Takashi
NGC research and development Imperium of Rising Luna
11
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Posted - 2014.12.15 10:57:55 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:It makes no sense to truly hate somebody for whatever he does in the game. I don't even hate my immediate enemies. That emotion is reserved for real ********* in real life, like politicians and sectarian warmongers. I do have a strong dislike for certain personality traits that happen to be most prevalent in clueless highsec players. I once FC-ed a T1 cruiser roam which was open to blues and this guy comes on TS, whom I had never met. His first question? 'Do I get paid for being on this fleet?' I tell him that's not the case and he says 'ok I'll go mining then'. Good grief. Sure, go mine before you lose a ship your corp won't reimburse, god forbid you lose a Vexor. Do you want reimbursement with that?It's a certain attitude people find annoying, and not the act of mining in and of itself. If you can mine without turning into a clueless AFKer all power to you.
This type of personality is not restricted to miners. Ive met my own share of "Not getting paid? Then Ill go ratting." players in the few 0.0 corps I was in.
Hating on miners because some of them just want to go for ISK/h is like hating 0.0 ratters because some of them refuse to fleet up if its not reimbursed or just keep ratting without even expressing care about fleet pings. |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:18:37 -
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There are people that hate anyone doing pve, why because they think they have everything already and can't understand why everyone else does not.
But lets take this to its logical conclusion.
All mining stops. what happens the existing minerals on the market go through the roof , massively increasing the prices of the ships pvpers use, making them very risk adverse, thus slowing active pvp down a lot.
Now one step more. ah yes Missions/ incusions/sites and Ratting now must stop as...oh yer hate on pve.
No more income and no more minerals added to the market, making existing ships and modules skyrocket in price.
If you stop PVE you will have no more PVP unless you enjoy running around trying to dodge swarms of velators.
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