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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.13 08:54:39 -
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WatGäó
Realistic, eh?
I'm sure this is probably a repost, but I nonetheless wanted to add my thoughts on PBR.
Physically Based Rendering is meant to vastly improve the 'vision of EVE'. And that it did to great effect --for lighting. Quite unfortunate that the new lighting equation becomes a massive detriment to the visuals of quite a few ships. These textures need a fair bit of updating, because when your ships look like plastic, you know you haven't really succeeded in creating a 'more realistic' render.
Yes, shaders will probably be fixed/improved in the next release (right? RIGHT?), I just think PBR was a little overrated for the actual improvement it added so far to the game. Necessary, but quite overrated in this case.
Too shiny in some cases, too vivid in others, and.. Plastic. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
833
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:12:33 -
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Post your feedback in the correct thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=390503&find=unread
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:35:35 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: I'm far too lazy for that. But I don't think this would be very productive 'feedback' anyway. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
948
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:43:40 -
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Thought thread was about Pabst Blue Ribbon. Left disappointed. |
Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
806
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:50:15 -
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Thought thread was about Primate Behaviour Research. Left disappointed. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2014.12.13 09:54:23 -
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Thought this thread was about the Pebbles-Bambam Relation. Left disappointed. |
Mr Duffo
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
65
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Posted - 2014.12.13 10:40:54 -
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New lighting doesnt show its best in ship preview windows but even so those both pictures looks great. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6182
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Posted - 2014.12.13 10:58:35 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:WatGäóRealistic, eh?I'm sure this is probably a repost, but I nonetheless wanted to add my thoughts on PBR. Physically Based Rendering is meant to vastly improve the 'vision of EVE'. And that it did to great effect --for lighting. Quite unfortunate that the new lighting equation becomes a massive detriment to the visuals of quite a few ships. These textures need a fair bit of updating, because when your ships look like plastic, you know you haven't really succeeded in creating a 'more realistic' render. Yes, shaders will probably be fixed/improved in the next release (right? RIGHT?), I just think PBR was a little overrated for the actual improvement it added so far to the game. Necessary, but quite overrated in this case. Too shiny in some cases, too vivid in others, and.. Plastic.
There are more ceramics and plastics on the exteriors of real spacecraft than you clearly know anything about.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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VTyx Soul
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
24
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:08:35 -
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1. Preview wind is not the best option for testing the new rendering, the rendering is very much light source dependant. 2. I would also recommend turning up your graphics settings or purchasing a new card, as they render very nicely on my rigs and those of friends. |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:26:10 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:There are more ceramics and plastics on the exteriors of real spacecraft than you clearly know anything about. Yes, but, unfortunately for that, these spaceships aren't real. They are made mostly out of metallic materials. And the whole thing about PBR was to make those metallic surfaces more photo-realistic. My knowledge of real spacecraft was not ever stated.
Your point is absolutely moot. |
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
192
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:27:22 -
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Tbh, I was seriously disappointed when I undocked my thrasher and noticed, that ... ... it actually hasn't changed a single bit. |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:29:20 -
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VTyx Soul wrote:1. Preview wind is not the best option for testing the new rendering, the rendering is very much light source dependant. 2. I would also recommend turning up your graphics settings or purchasing a new card, as they render very nicely on my rigs and those of friends. The Daredevil seems to look like that regardless of the preview window, that same matte greyish look occurred with the nebulae surrounding the Metropolis and Lonetrek regions for me.
My graphics settings are always set to the highest possible. |
Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
809
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:41:20 -
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Can't complain. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
192
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Posted - 2014.12.13 11:50:54 -
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That looks like crap.
You should give it away.
I am a trained expert in dealing with scrap metal and I would happily improve your life's quality by freeing you from this ugly burden. |
Aiyshimin
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
222
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:07:53 -
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CCP is aware of this, as expressed even in the Dev blog (the whole final chapter tells about the issue), and they will be addressed.
On the ships which have modern textures, PBR looks absolutely gorgeous. Combined with the hull animations, I've never seen Internet spaceships so beautiful. I love spaceships, and PBR is one of my favourite new things in the past years. |
Xercodo
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
3910
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:41:03 -
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Bite my shiny metal ass
The Drake is a Lie
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6182
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:46:12 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:There are more ceramics and plastics on the exteriors of real spacecraft than you clearly know anything about. Yes, but, unfortunately for that, these spaceships aren't real. They are made mostly out of metallic materials. And the whole thing about PBR was to make those metallic surfaces more photo-realistic. My knowledge of real spacecraft was not ever stated. Your point is absolutely moot.
Your point is that these spaceships aren't real.... and you're complaining the new rendering didn't make them more realistic.
The derp is strong with you, young padawan.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:01:55 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:There are more ceramics and plastics on the exteriors of real spacecraft than you clearly know anything about. Yes, but, unfortunately for that, these spaceships aren't real. They are made mostly out of metallic materials. And the whole thing about PBR was to make those metallic surfaces more photo-realistic. My knowledge of real spacecraft was not ever stated. Your point is absolutely moot. Your point is that these spaceships aren't real.... and you're complaining the new rendering didn't make them more realistic. The derp is strong with you, young padawan. Do I literally have to spell it out to you when I'm quoting someone?
A: It's just a game. Everyone knows that. B: CCP said PBR was about making the game more realistic. C: This post is rather a statement saying that PBR on its own isn't going to cut it. D: You clearly must have misinterpreted everything I have said, which is not a problem. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
18565
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:36:19 -
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OP, you completely ignored Aiyshimin's post telling you that everything you're ranting about has already been acknowledged by CCP in their PBR Dev Blog entry.
Instead of reading and educating yourself you decided instead to insult Remy.
Here's the relevant text since you seem to be incapable of locating it yourself. Now go to the feedback thread because that is the only thing the devs will read.
Quote:The New Problem
Having adjusted our math to emulate better the behavior of light and materials in the real world, we plug those equations into EVE and everything is suddenly perfect, right?
Well, no.
PBR shows the state of our assets far more accurately than the simple model we have been using up to now. We used to rely on the physically inaccurate numbers to avoid certain display problems, but now we have to tackle those issues directly. Accordingly, many assets will only be perfected through additional attention.
We are working to identify areas for improvement and determine the best courses of action to address them. In some cases we will rebake the normal maps. In some cases we will adjust the factional data. And in some cases, we will execute complete redesigns.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:37:43 -
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Lol bitchfight. |
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Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
177
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:40:27 -
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Stop looking at ships in the preview window and you know, undock and actually fly them.
Nothing wrong with how that Dramiel looks either way, you're forgetting that while the ship exteriors may be made of 'metal', many have a 'paint job' which can give a matte effect - intentionally. I'm sure I read somewhere in the last month that PBR paves the way for updating ships textures to mimic different 'materials'. Give them a chance!
Gÿå The Explorer I
Gÿå The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
879
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:55:57 -
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WatGäó a mess of a thread.
Remove insurance.
This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2360
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:24:16 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: I'm far too lazy for that. But I don't think this would be very productive 'feedback' anyway.
Far too lazy to post in the appropriate location. Still wants to be taken seriously.
IBTL |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6182
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:28:21 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:There are more ceramics and plastics on the exteriors of real spacecraft than you clearly know anything about. Yes, but, unfortunately for that, these spaceships aren't real. They are made mostly out of metallic materials. And the whole thing about PBR was to make those metallic surfaces more photo-realistic. My knowledge of real spacecraft was not ever stated. Your point is absolutely moot. Your point is that these spaceships aren't real.... and you're complaining the new rendering didn't make them more realistic. The derp is strong with you, young padawan. Do I literally have to spell it out to you when I'm quoting someone? A: It's just a game. Everyone knows that. B: CCP said PBR was about making the game more realistic. C: This post is rather a statement saying that PBR on its own isn't going to cut it. D: You clearly must have misinterpreted everything I have said, which is not a problem.
Do I literally have to spell out for you that plastics and ceramics on spaceships is within the realms of 'realistic' in a science fiction universe? Or are you just going to brush that off with another non-sequitur about how the fictional spaceship game isn't 'realistic' enough for you?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Sista Slade
Nano-Tech Experiments
3
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Posted - 2014.12.13 14:57:07 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Thought thread was about Pabst Blue Ribbon. Left disappointed.
Maybe this song will cheer you up.
Nobody likes a disappointed Devil's guy.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2014.12.13 15:24:43 -
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That was awesomely hilarious!
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Foxicity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.12.13 15:31:41 -
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ftfy |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4218
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:51:17 -
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Sibyyl wrote:OP, you completely ignored Aiyshimin's post telling you that everything you're ranting about has already been acknowledged by CCP in their PBR Dev Blog entry. Instead of reading and educating yourself you decided instead to insult Remy. remy |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4218
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:53:33 -
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oh gosh op cut those images down or something my internet's running over two cans and a piece of string |
Equinnox Dethahal
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:58:02 -
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Amarr ships look absolutely fantastic.
I like how some of the Gallante ships look as well
Some ships didn't take to the new code as well obviously.
If im not mistaken this isn't the 100% final solution to the graphics issues....so im sure many tweaks are needed....give it time.
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