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Feyn Bektar
Black Hawk Down Syndrome
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Posted - 2014.12.13 12:41:32 -
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Hello everybody.
I've been afk for a loooong time.
So i logged back in, started a level 4 mission in my nightmare, aggro'd everything on the field, launched drones and everything was fine. 2 minutes later i find most of my drones dead.
So since rat AI has been changed, are drones completely useless in missions now? Is there still a way to use my nightmare? Do i have to fit low caliber guns now to kill the tiny ships that are orbitting me at 2-10km?
How are missions being run these days? Is it all about missiles now?
Cheers :) f |
Kithran
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Posted - 2014.12.13 13:09:48 -
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Feyn Bektar wrote:Hello everybody.
I've been afk for a loooong time.
So i logged back in, started a level 4 mission in my nightmare, aggro'd everything on the field, launched drones and everything was fine. 2 minutes later i find most of my drones dead.
So since rat AI has been changed, are drones completely useless in missions now? Is there still a way to use my nightmare? Do i have to fit low caliber guns now to kill the tiny ships that are orbitting me at 2-10km?
How are missions being run these days? Is it all about missiles now?
Cheers :) f
Its certainly not all missiles now.
Firsts things first make sure you have refitted your nightmare - you've gained a low slot ;)
Second you will probably need to change your kill order in missions - a nm should have no problems with frigs at range and you will probalby be able to one or two shot them so just go for them first while they are still at range. If things do get close you should have dealt with most of the frigs and a bit of drone management (recalling them when they get agro) should solve most of the problems.
You can also use one of the utility highs to fit a remote armor rep to repair drones that have gotten a bit of damage or a target painter in mids to make frigs easier for you to hit and to make small rats think you are a bigger threat thus less likely to go for your drones. |
ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
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Posted - 2014.12.13 16:47:30 -
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Personally the nightmare is an amazing ship for its ability to to put out lots of dps and also get from accel gate to gate quickly....that being said despite my love for Sansha, the paladin with bastion mode now outclasses it because being immune to ewar has a noticeable effect on mission clearing times.
That being said a nightmare is relatively cheap these days, and doesn't require nearly as many skills to fly. I have been highly considering switching out my pve apoc for one in Stain, but I am making plenty of LP in lowsec in smaller ships atm so there just has t been a pressing need.
Also please do not fit your nightmare for billions of isk with officer mods, It will never pay for itself and it would tempt people like me to try and gank it and I just got back above -5 sec status.
Edit: one more thought, the MJD makes the tach nightmare flying on easy street, but the afterburner bonus is so good that I prefer mega pulse and swapping between scortch and IN multi..... You can just fit both, you don't need nearly thst stiff of a tank when you have such ability to dictate range. |
Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:36:24 -
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It is worthless, but being kind I will take it off your hands for 100m isk. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.14 07:02:39 -
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Also welcome back to Eve.
Probably be a good idea to spend some time and browse the Patch Notes / Dev Blogs for each Eve Expansion.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.12.14 07:09:44 -
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Feyn Bektar wrote:Hello everybody.
I've been afk for a loooong time.
So i logged back in, started a level 4 mission in my nightmare, aggro'd everything on the field, launched drones and everything was fine. 2 minutes later i find most of my drones dead.
So since rat AI has been changed, are drones completely useless in missions now? Is there still a way to use my nightmare? Do i have to fit low caliber guns now to kill the tiny ships that are orbitting me at 2-10km?
How are missions being run these days? Is it all about missiles now?
Cheers :) f
Fit micro jump drive. Jump away, target small stuff, kill small stuff, micro jump back (or to the gate, whatever).
Nightmare is just fine, better than before now with that extra low. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:45:15 -
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Prioritize small targets when they are at range, NM will one-shot them most of the time (ungroup guns ofc). Those that get close will die to drones, maybe you'll have to recall them a few times though.
The ship is still among the best as far as I can tell, you should probably have MJD sniper fit for EWAR-heavy missions though, other than that traditional AB fit will be better than it was before (low slot and AB bonus are nice).
Not much have truly changed for NM, except for general stuff that affects almost anyone - CCP tweaked targeting AI and made it so that some rats are more EWAR happy in some L4. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:57:06 -
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There are tricks to reduce drone aggro (target painting + remote repping somethng + some other EWAR activated for example will get almost all aggro on you rather than the drones for example) but in the end its easier to do what people said above, fight at range and recall drones when they take aggro. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:04:53 -
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For the most part only elite frigs go after light drones. there are some drone aggro issues, but those have pretty much always been there. I usually try and take out the elite frigs with my guns asap, as at range they are reasonably easy to hit. Normal frigs I usually let my drones take care of. better to keep my guns on the high hp ships.
I probably wouldn't put a MJD on a nightmare, at least not most of the time. The AB bonus is pretty awesome and sufficient for getting around in general. also it has enough reach jumping 100km isn't needed too often.
Although the pulse nightmare is probably a lot better now, and in that case a MJD might be more useful. although an 800m/s bs with an AB is pretty dang useful on its own.
ps: missiles suck!
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.15 15:04:58 -
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One of the biggest things you need to know, the NM gets a huge bonus to it's AB.
As far as the drones go, just keep them close and watch them. They start taking damage, pull them in. Once all agro is back on you, let them loose again. Rinse, repeat. |
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:24:08 -
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Drones are definately not useless... Because some will get under your guns nomatter what sometimes... You just have to watch your drones, that's all. |
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