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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:34:58 -
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So this video from Magnasis Drakkenwolf has some what damaged my view on exploration in highsec.
As for what the video says it's that exploration in Hi-sec has been really frustrating because of: 1) Hi-sec is crowded and because of the recent updates, exploration is really popular therfore lots of competition. 2) The second and much more serious problem is people picking out what they want with cargo scanners and leaving the low value loot behind, and consequently the site does not de-spawn. Therefore all you find is junk.
Eve is supposed to be a harsh universe... but that, that seems like a special kind of douchebaggery.
The video is a few months old so has it gotten better or worse? If has not changed or for the worse, looks like I have to take a more aggressive approach and move to greener pastures. Which means I have to learn how to survive lowsec sooner than I thought. Eve UNI teaches you things like that right? Can a trail account rookie with the proper training tackle low sec without getting massacred?
"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.12.13 19:41:02 -
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High sec data/relic is generally not worth much at all, you can be lucky but overall not worth your time other than using it to gain experience with scanning etc. However, COMBAT exploration in high sec can be very much worth it, this can be done by any week old newbie in a t1 fit destroyer as long as that person has the capability and will to engage their brain cells and put in some effort to learn to do things right. |
Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:27:23 -
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High-sec is where you hone your skills before playing EVE basically. You can not make a living from exploration in high-sec. In low and null you can.
And the sites DO despawn. |
Sir Livingston
Club Deadspace
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:57:06 -
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It depends how you define "worth it". If you're comparing it to potential loot from low-sec or null-sec exploration sites, then yes, high-sec is not worth your time.
The vast majority of my ISK has been generated by selling the faction & deadspace loot I get from high-sec combat sites. It takes high skills and a fast ship to compete with other high-sec combat site runners.
EVE Online videos to inform and inspire
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7433
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:00:35 -
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Op, click this link-----------------------------------------------------------^ some quality content contained therein.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:07:47 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Op, click this link-----------------------------------------------------------^ some quality content contained therein .
Wait.
You didn't edit the post, yet the arrow is spot on.
What is this kind of witchcraft.
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Sir Livingston
Club Deadspace
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:10:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Op, click this link-----------------------------------------------------------^ some quality content contained therein . Thanks for the show of confidence in my work
EVE Online videos to inform and inspire
http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7435
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:22:09 -
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Sir Livingston wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Op, click this link-----------------------------------------------------------^ some quality content contained therein . Thanks for the show of confidence in my work No problem dude, I do a fair bit of scanning myself (for flipping mission bears war targets and anyone silly enough to come into our home system) and I had found your channel at some point in the past while looking for tutorials before ccp changed probe mechanics. that magpie
And jpoll , I'm a mercenary, I'm supposed to have good aim
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:09:54 -
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Sir Livingston wrote:It depends how you define "worth it". If you're comparing it to potential loot from low-sec or null-sec exploration sites, then yes, high-sec is not worth your time.
The vast majority of my ISK has been generated by selling the faction & deadspace loot I get from high-sec combat sites. It takes high skills and a fast ship to compete with other high-sec combat site runners.
>_> <_<; .... o7
Well I didn't expect you here. I want to say thank you, because when I was curious about EVE, yours and scott manleys videos are what pushed me over the edge into trying it out and your tutorials helped make EVE a much better experience for me. So anyways it's just plain better to go to lowsec i guess. Is your magnate fit still a valid build to follow? Also what skills (outside of the scanning tab of course) are relevant to exploration? I know the cloak and microwarp drive are the first things that come to mind. But what else do you recommend?
"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.12.14 01:20:59 -
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My impression is that the main way to make isk in highsec exploration is Gurista 3/10 and 4/10 DED sites, which may drop Pithum C type loot. |
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.14 01:22:55 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:My impression is that the main way to make isk in highsec exploration is Gurista 3/10 and 4/10 DED sites, which may drop Pithum C type loot. I meant to say relic/data sites, but I guess that will be a good pass time until I'm ready to go to lowsec.
"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
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Gregor Parud
788
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Posted - 2014.12.14 02:07:38 -
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Quanah Comanche wrote:You can not make a living from exploration in high-sec.
Stop lying.
OP: Go have a look here and watch those vids, there's just a few of them but it shows you what can be done, even on low SP. https://www.youtube.com/user/MarcDurantGaming/videos |
Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
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Posted - 2014.12.14 04:38:28 -
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote: Which means I have to learn how to survive lowsec sooner than I thought. Eve UNI teaches you things like that right? Can a trail account rookie with the proper training tackle low sec without getting massacred?
The thing to realize is, even with the best survival skills you will at some point get massacred in low sec, and even with horrible survival skills the loot from low sec data and relic sites will easily cover your ship losses (assuming you fit cheaply, I recommend you do so)
So go out and get massacred!
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Orlacc
665
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Posted - 2014.12.14 05:55:38 -
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The way I am reading OP he is talking only about profession sites not combat sites. If so, the pickings are lean in High Sec.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.12.14 09:57:18 -
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Train in high, then low and in wormholes (now have the null non-combat sites) as yor skills progress, and prepare for doing relics in null finally as an income source.
As I can fly HACs now, I think I will give the DED sites in High a try ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:37:40 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote: The thing to realize is, even with the best survival skills you will at some point get massacred in low sec, and even with horrible survival skills the loot from low sec data and relic sites will easily cover your ship losses (assuming you fit cheaply, I recommend you do so)
So go out and get massacred!
Haha, I try to rationalize losses by "As long as I made more money with this ship than I put in, I won't be too upset when it happens." And yeah, I believe that magnate fit from sir Livingston's videos is around 2-3mill ISK. One lowsec data/relic site should pay that off.
"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.14 21:20:33 -
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You have to ask yourself WHY you are doing exploration. Is it for interesting activity? Profit? Skill refinement?
I do data/relic sites for my alt, who is research/indy. Those items are needed, and I don't want to buy them. DED sites are for profit and excitement, as I mostly use a frigate and 3s and some unrated can be challenging. I use exploration as a way to hone my scanning skills. Can also be fun using Combat probes, as the reaction in a system can show you who is paying attention
With the recent changes, you now have Sleeper sites and far more wormholes than before. Sometimes I just explore, and head through that wh and see what kind of adventure lies ahead...
Can hisec exploration be profitable? Sure. But there is alot of competition for it. Don't be disappointed if someone beats you to the pot of gold.
ps. for those explorers. Please blue your leftover wrecks! Ppl like me will scan them down for salvage/loot. Much thanks. |
Davey Talvanen
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:00:54 -
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No but however if you go out to null the risk vs. Reward grows and I have lost millions of isk but because I'm careless. A proactive player can easily make some good isk in null. 3mil isk minimum per data site and relic site are worth many times more |
Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:41:36 -
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
Ok, I finally watched (some) of the video. Lol, I can see why you were put out.
First of all, did you notice that he's doing hisec with his safety OFF, in an Ishtar? Duuuude Second, he makes brash assumptions without any degree of certainty ie: "not really worth it...not even going to waste my time on that site" re: desolate site. (btw, I made 120M from the last desolate site & 1 escalation...lol)
"Cuz when it comes to exploration,...I only like to get something that I'm able to make alot of isk from...otherwise it's not really worth it"
tl;dl I stopped watching at this point. Try wormholes, low or null.
He needs your money...
nuff said.
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Gregor Parud
788
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:47:24 -
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Specia1 K wrote:Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote: Ok, I finally watched (some) of the video. Lol, I can see why you were put out. First of all, did you notice that he's doing hisec with his safety OFF, in an Ishtar? Duuuude Second, he makes brash assumptions without any degree of certainty ie: "not really worth it...not even going to waste my time on that site" re: desolate site. (btw, I made 120M from the last desolate site & 1 escalation...lol)
"Cuz when it comes to exploration,...I only like to get something that I'm able to make alot of isk from...otherwise it's not really worth it" tl;dl I stopped watching at this point. Try wormholes, low or null. He needs your money...nuff said.
Desloate sites make on average a whole lot less than DED/unrated sites, as such it makes good sense to not waste time on them and keep looking for sites that, on average, pay more. So without having watched the video what he's saying right there is logical. |
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Ellen Madullier
Flipsiders
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:21:32 -
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I found one of those weird sleeper cache data sites in highsec. I got a weird faction cloak BPC from it. Other than that, I've not had any good data or relic loot from high or lowsec. My hacking and archaeology skills are at IV and I have the hardwirings for archaeology I can open about.. 90% of null and wormhole site containers.
The loot is random, I've seen little like a few million all the way over one hundred million from one relic site. I run data sites when I find them but I feel like relic pays better.
SUPER MODLEL ELLEN MADULLIER - BELLE EXPLORATEUR de NEW EDEN
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Dracones
Tarsis Inc
28
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Posted - 2014.12.15 16:06:06 -
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As another option, if you want to stay in hisec space for whatever reasons but hate the overcrowding there are many pockets of hisec surrounded by lowsec that very few people call home. I used to live in Solitude and now live in another region and am surrounded by lowsec which keeps out the bears.
There are some logistics issues. You usually have to run to "proper" hisec to do your shopping and now and again the gate to hisec will be camped. But if that area becomes your permanent home you quickly pick up on the problem spots and learn ways to detect/avoid the camps.
Also when you get to the point where you want to stretch your wings on lowsec, the exit points of your low pop hisec will rarely be camped because it's just not worth the time to do so. So it makes for a pretty easy crawl down the back pipes.
But in either case you really need to spend some time to figure out where you want to call home. Different regions and areas all have their own personalities. |
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:29:51 -
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Just scanning and hacking in HS can bring me around 30 millions of ISK per night. If I was a miner I would maybe consider mining relic sites. Everyone says they dont pay much in terms of hacking, but no one really mentions the Plagioclase and Scordite some of these sites have. Single ghost site can yield another 30 millions for couple of seconds hacking.
If you start peeking into wormholes you will start pulling hundreds of millions with acceptable risk.
The limited sleeper caches someone mentioned are good for more advanced player who has decent probing hacking skills and can either put up tanky fit or fly safe around those damage clouds and explosives. |
Cassie Celestis
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:46:04 -
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Typical exploration site grinding in Hi-Sec is not worth it, if you compare it to Low/Null as others mentioned before. Unless of course you are betting on the covert ops or sleeper sites, both of which are rare. Average income from Data/Relic hunting (and the occasional rare ones) in HS nets about 20-50mil per day with relevant skills at lvl3-4.
For Hi Sec I would suggest focusing mainly in combat sites and anomalies. Get a cruiser you can fly with decent skills and skip any lvl1 sites since you cant use the gate in most. Damage and tank fit it depending on the rats you fight of course. Bounties will get you an average income of 5-20mil per day. Drops are a gamble with huge margins.
Typical lower end faction or deadspace drops will get you 1-10mil per site. If you get lucky with the loot fairy this goes up to 50-250mil per site. (At least my top was about 250. Could be more). And of course if you get a good escalation you may roll higher, getting up to 400mil drops. Escalations/Expeditions are the main reason you should do anomalies btw.
Note that you could get lvl5 escalations from Hi-Sec sites which are hard for a new pilot and need good skills and a good combat ship. |
Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.12.16 20:03:59 -
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Cassie Celestis wrote: Note that you could get lvl5 escalations from Hi-Sec sites which are hard for a new pilot and need good skills and a good combat ship.
Not to mention it is likely going to be in lowsec, so check your Eve maps and don't hang around too long if the system is occupied.
You can also look for lowsec sites while you are there... |
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:46:02 -
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Thank you for all the helpful advice, it has really helped me progress. Unfortunately a trial account can't train cloak, so my trip to lowsec has been delayed, fortunately I have timed my trial account to time out past Christmas so I'll definitely have some $ for PLEX. In the mean time I'm sending an application to EVE UNI and hopefully get taught the things I need to know.
"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
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Quattras Peione
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 03:08:07 -
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:Thank you for all the helpful advice, it has really helped me progress. Unfortunately a trial account can't train cloak, so my trip to lowsec has been delayed, fortunately I have timed my trial account to time out past Christmas so I'll definitely have some $ for PLEX. In the mean time I'm sending an application to EVE UNI and hopefully get taught the things I need to know.
A trial account can't CovOps cloak. You can fit a Prototype Cloaking Device I to any ship out there, mate.
Eve Uni is an excellent place to start. Beyond that one can find plenty of "teaching" corps dedicated to one specialty or another. I recommend time with RvB to any new player, and of course suggest time in Stay Frosty as it's open enrollment and all of the oldbros are willing to help the newbros.
As for the Data/Relic Site exploration, I think you'll find null exploration to be the best risk/reward balance. I live in a very hostile lowsec system and have comfortably run sites in my neighborhood but haven't noticed the payout to be significantly better than highsec sites. While some nullsec sites spawn in wormholes, the increased risk of being in w-space combined with the number of sites that you won't be able to touch (most explorers can't take on Sleepers without re-shipping) means you're losing out in the end. Null sites, though, pay out consistently better. As has been pointed out, though, if you want to run anomalies for ISK then your best bet is probably going to be in combat sites. |
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:44:10 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:Thank you for all the helpful advice, it has really helped me progress. Unfortunately a trial account can't train cloak, so my trip to lowsec has been delayed, fortunately I have timed my trial account to time out past Christmas so I'll definitely have some $ for PLEX. In the mean time I'm sending an application to EVE UNI and hopefully get taught the things I need to know.
A trial account can't CovOps cloak. You can fit a Prototype Cloaking Device I to any ship out there, mate. But you cant train the cloaking skill needed to use it on a trial.
"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
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