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Steve Atreides
Phoenix Interstellar Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:47:26 -
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Ok, had a look but couldnt find anything on this. Recently spent six weeks on and off grinding SOE missions for a Nestor which I built myself from BPC, took it for a little test run to see if I liked or would be likely to use it and decided to sell (was my original intent).
The regional Sell orders were from 1.3 billion upwards and Buy orders around 800 million. My eyes played tricks on me, I put in a sell order and thought I typed 1.29 Billion but missed a digit and without any warning the item disappeared for 1.29 million
I petitioned asking where was the normal market warning when placing sell orders under 50% and was told that is only for multiple items and not single items. now hang on, there is a warning if I sell two or more 100k isk items that I may be underselling but if I sell a 1.3 billion ship for 1.29 million there is no warning and the item is gone foroever.
To me this is clearly a broken game mechanic and needs to be fixed. I know someone else did the same thing with a carrier.
Anyway, fed up with this and the waste of 6 weeks of my time and both my subs have been cancelled. Would be nice to fix something so elementary...unless CCP, hugely underselling big ticket items by mistake is a intended game play mechanic and seen as a result for the person that gets the low value order.
Well the result is Minus my -ú240 a year. Cogratulations. |
Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:10:09 -
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Sorry for your loss. I did something similar this autumn and lost 120 mil.
My view on the matter is that the warnings are there to help us. They are not a "gameplay mechanic" as such, the gameplay mechanic is us putting up the orders.
It is our own responsibility what we do. I am grateful in those cases where the warnings take effect - I do not expect them to always save me. |
Artemis Scat
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:42:25 -
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Im going to go ahead and point out that you would have had to miss 3 digits in order to sell for that much under the original price. 1 digit could be just a mistype. 3 is just negligence on your part to look at the value you were selling for. Don't be so hasty next time and don't try to blame it on the game. |
Paranoid Loyd
3009
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Posted - 2014.12.13 22:56:47 -
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Take responsibility for your actions instead of blaming them on something or someone else. The game becomes a lot more fun if you operate in this fashion.
If you get past your whiny anger and start playing again, just learn to hit tab after you enter the amount so that it adds the commas then you only have to count them instead of the zeros.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:13:41 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:learn to hit tab after you enter the amount so that it adds the commas then you only have to count them instead of the zeros. Can also let the mouse pointer rest on "OK" for a brief moment - this will also add the commas. If I am in doubt I always do that - and if I have made a mistake, just let the pointer slide off and retype.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.13 23:56:14 -
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Get a better monocle |
Qn'qura Zalas Zula
Aeon Ascendant
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Posted - 2014.12.14 04:53:00 -
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I love market errors like this, helps me make some money seriously though, you really need to double and triple check huge outbound orders. because if you don't, someone else certainly will and make a huge profit at your expense and there isn't a damn you can do about it. |
Caimi Nulang
The Blue Lobster Project
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Posted - 2014.12.14 05:11:23 -
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Yea that's what happens sometimes when you sell big expensive item and don't do a little double check. Was alcohol involved? Scotch has cost me billions of ISK. |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
446
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Posted - 2014.12.14 07:53:10 -
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It's your fault, stop blaming CCP, learn to make a few bil/hr mostly afk. |
Miks Rebelius
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
9
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:41:14 -
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X ATM092 wrote:It's your fault, stop blaming CCP, learn to make a few bil/hr mostly afk.
Don't tease him man. |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4080
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Posted - 2014.12.14 10:36:26 -
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OP - I wish more people would follow in your footsteps, and do something stupid that's hilariously profitable for me then ALSO come and deliver tears to sweeten an already very profitable transaction.
That "You are trying to sell this item for 99.87% below regional average, are you sure?" warning is like a smoke detector. Most of the times it goes off it's a bloody nuisance, but the one time it goes off when you need it to, it really saves you a lot.
By turning that box off, you did something as dumb as removing the batteries from your smoke detector.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1503
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Posted - 2014.12.14 10:50:18 -
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One little loss and boom, "whaaa not going to play this game anymore". Looks to me like you didn't want to play EVE in the first place.
EVE is al about consequences, YOU mistyped the amount. YOU said ok sell this. YOU didn't check weather or not you typed in the right price. YOUR fault not CCP's. Now stop sniffling and take it like a man and get back into the game, you've got 1.3 bil to make up for.
See it as a lesson learned. |
Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.14 12:38:21 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: By turning that box off, you did something as dumb as removing the batteries from your smoke detector.
He did not turn anything off. There is no warning when erecting a sell order for a single item. In fact, this was the whole point of his posting, but I gather you did not read it.
At this point - and having returned to EVE a few months ago - what I really want to know is, who are the sedated minions that rewarded your outstanding incompetence with x thousand "likes" on these forums? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4081
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Posted - 2014.12.14 21:18:29 -
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There are definitely warnings on these situations, I had one recently.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Nornir Empire
461
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Posted - 2014.12.14 21:21:36 -
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I just tried selling some materials for COSMOS modules and even an 80% below average (with a big red arrow ;)) sale price wasn't giving me the popup, checked my settings and there was nothing appropriate to reset. Buying however did give me a popup warning.
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Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:09:29 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:There are definitely warnings on these situations, I had one recently. Screenshoot it, how hard can it be. |
Makhpella
Temet Nosce Ex Astra
4
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:03:09 -
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What if I told you that you lost another billion ISK when you bought the Nestor BPC.
xoxoxo this is funny |
RAW23
874
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:00:38 -
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Steve Atreides wrote:
I petitioned asking where was the normal market warning when placing sell orders under 50% and was told that is only for multiple items and not single items. now hang on, there is a warning if I sell two or more 100k isk items that I may be underselling but if I sell a 1.3 billion ship for 1.29 million there is no warning and the item is gone foroever.
To me this is clearly a broken game mechanic and needs to be fixed. I know someone else did the same thing with a carrier.
The warning system is very bugged in any case. It's really something CCP need to get sorted, although they do seem to have got rid of the multiple false positives that used to come up.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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RAW23
874
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:02:59 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
By turning that box off, you did something as dumb as removing the batteries from your smoke detector.
You don't have to turn the box off. The system is broken and just doesn't work half the time (it's particularly bad just after downtime). It's been like that for years sadly. If you accidentally overprice something and don't get the warning CCP will reimburse the excess broker fees but they won't fix it if you sell under as that would involve reversing a deal with another player.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.15 01:36:31 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:There are definitely warnings on these situations, I had one recently.
what else can ppl expect u to lie about if you get into CSM>?
why do u even post here, u have no idea what u are doing?
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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
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Posted - 2014.12.15 07:03:26 -
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An awful lot of victim-blaming in this thread for a price-check single-unit exception that's either poorly designed, bugged, or both. |
Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:35:24 -
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its seems you have do a quick sell based on average regional price but you immediat order fillful a the first buyer of your stat ion its basic trade Error .... blame only you ... its the cost of your lesson, "you must check the range order of book buyer before doing anything ..." |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Nornir Empire
463
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:06:37 -
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Kethas Protagonist wrote:An awful lot of victim-blaming in this thread for a price-check single-unit exception that's either poorly designed, bugged, or both.
I'm not sure you can call it victim blaming when it was entirely his fault. Fixing the warning would be nice, but you should double check what you're typing.
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RAW23
874
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:13:37 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Kethas Protagonist wrote:An awful lot of victim-blaming in this thread for a price-check single-unit exception that's either poorly designed, bugged, or both. I'm not sure you can call it victim blaming when it was entirely his fault. Fixing the warning would be nice, but you should double check what you're typing.
I can't see how this can be considered entirely his fault. CCP implemented a mechanism to stop this happening. That mechanism is broken. It is not unreasonable to expect implemented game features to work and to rely on them working. The whole 'lol, tears, ur fault loser' narrative is a pretty ****** way to respond to someone who is rightly complaining that something is still broken half a decade or more after it was brought in. Yes, most of us have got used to the fact that the mechanic is broken but assuming stuff is broken shouldn't be the default way of approaching the game and excusing CCP's incompetence because 'it's funny that someone is upset' is not the way to get the game to improve.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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350125GO
Absolutely Certain
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Posted - 2014.12.15 16:18:49 -
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Steve Atreides wrote: Anyway, fed up with this and the waste of 6 weeks of my time and both my subs have been cancelled.
If losing your Nestor makes you feel like you wasted six weeks, then you're playing the game wrong. If you didn't have fun playing to get that Nestor, then why were you doing it?
Regardless, you should have evemailed whoever you sold it to and asked them to udnerstand and sell it back to you for 100m or something generous to make it worth their time. It's a game, people make mistakes, others understand that. Doesn't always work, but worth the 30sec to write the mail.
You're young, you'll adjust.
I'm old, I'll get used to it.
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Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
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Posted - 2014.12.15 16:47:12 -
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I lost my ass on a trade deal this weekend, it wasn't a billion but it was about 700m or so.. one click and I was about to puke. Whoops. Instead of whining it encouraged me to find a way to get that isk back asap.. and I did just that. Now the only thing that makes me sick is that I could have made an almost billion isk profit later that night instead of hustling to break even.
Oh well. Live and learn. Or live and quit. I guess that is your decision to make.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."-á
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4557
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:58:55 -
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Steve Atreides wrote:Ok, had a look but couldnt find anything on this. Recently spent six weeks on and off grinding SOE missions for a Nestor which I built myself from BPC, took it for a little test run to see if I liked or would be likely to use it and decided to sell (was my original intent).
The regional Sell orders were from 1.3 billion upwards and Buy orders around 800 million. My eyes played tricks on me, I put in a sell order and thought I typed 1.29 Billion but missed a digit and without any warning the item disappeared for 1.29 million
I petitioned asking where was the normal market warning when placing sell orders under 50% and was told that is only for multiple items and not single items. now hang on, there is a warning if I sell two or more 100k isk items that I may be underselling but if I sell a 1.3 billion ship for 1.29 million there is no warning and the item is gone foroever.
To me this is clearly a broken game mechanic and needs to be fixed. I know someone else did the same thing with a carrier.
Anyway, fed up with this and the waste of 6 weeks of my time and both my subs have been cancelled. Would be nice to fix something so elementary...unless CCP, hugely underselling big ticket items by mistake is a intended game play mechanic and seen as a result for the person that gets the low value order.
Well the result is Minus my -ú240 a year. Cogratulations. To be fair, that's where the risk comes in on trading. It's already too difficult to make a mistake in comparison with the amount you can earn, so making it even more friendly would be removing too much risk.
I guess the good news is that you've already quit, so they don't need to consider fixing it now.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
922
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Posted - 2014.12.18 13:30:10 -
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Meh, I recently lost 800 mil just on fukking Broker Fees. And no warning either because after the last expansion it is partly broken.
Irony that I actually posted about this very same thing in the Rhea issues thread....
Then again, someone else recently sold me a 60+ million module for 600k so there is that.
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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RAW23
876
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Posted - 2014.12.18 14:39:03 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Meh, I recently lost 800 mil just on fukking Broker Fees. And no warning either because after the last expansion it is partly broken.
Irony that I actually posted about this very same thing in the Phoebe issues thread....
Then again, someone else recently sold me a 60+ million module for 600k so there is that.
If you lost out on broker fees through overpricing an item and didn't get the price warning CCP will typically refund you if you take the order off the market asap. As long as no other player interacts wit your order they don't have a problem fixing things. I lost nearly 3bil on broker fees once by putting three (!) extra digits on a cheap commodity that was way outside the price range of everything else I sell and CCP were willing to refund it. But there's no point even trying when the loss is to another player rather than to CCP as they won't reverse that kind of interaction.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2196
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:56:53 -
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since we're sharing ADD stories, my biggest win so far was getting a contract for 800m worth of subsystems for 8 isk (no idea how the guy managed to miss six zeroes). biggest loss was selling a freighter for ~140m.
I should buy an Ishtar.
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