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Chammisse
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.14 21:47:43 -
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Hey All.
I am thinking of giving FW a shot. im about 42msp. Im tired of null sec and strat ops and pap links etc.
For me, i would like to log in and get a few decent fights in and not have to spend an hour or two trying to get a fight in the sea of blues. Will FW be a good fit in this sense?
What do you feel the pros and cons of FW are? Are there higher SP players that enjoy FW? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3015
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Posted - 2014.12.14 22:09:51 -
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FW can be what you described, you undock, search a bit and find a fight. But it is very seasonal, sometimes all you will find are gangs, sometimes you won#t find anything to fight. Sometimes you will have to join a fleet to reach something, sometimes there won't be any fleets. The more flexible you are the more fights you will get.
pros: - no docking games (#1 reason why i am in FW) - if you fight and hold the grid you can actually make a difference on the map (basic idea of plexing, often abused by farmers with no interest in combat however) - you can finance your losses via LP income - plex warfare can be very fun if the system is actively defended, if its not defended nothing will happen
cons: - you lose access of parts of highsec due to heavy standing loss - you pick a side and fight the other side+neutrals. Means you technically have less targets compared to neutrals - people might associate you with a farmer since FW has usually bad reputation - can't think of anything else tbh
Quote:What do you feel the pros and cons of FW are? Are there higher SP players that enjoy FW? i have 90mil sp or so and am in fw for about 4 years without changing the side. So i guess i like it ;)
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imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Master Sergeant MacRobert
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:58:56 -
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Bienator II wrote:FW can be what you described, you undock, search a bit and find a fight. But it is very seasonal, sometimes all you will find are gangs, sometimes you won#t find anything to fight. Sometimes you will have to join a fleet to reach something, sometimes there won't be any fleets. The more flexible you are the more fights you will get. pros: - no docking games (#1 reason why i am in FW) - if you fight and hold the grid you can actually make a difference on the map (basic idea of plexing, often abused by farmers with no interest in combat however) - you can finance your losses via LP income - plex warfare can be very fun if the system is actively defended, if its not defended nothing will happen cons: - you lose access of parts of highsec due to heavy standing loss - you pick a side and fight the other side+neutrals. Means you technically have less targets compared to neutrals - people might associate you with a farmer since FW has usually bad reputation - can't think of anything else tbh Quote:What do you feel the pros and cons of FW are? Are there higher SP players that enjoy FW? i have 90mil sp or so and am in fw for about 4 years without changing the side. So i guess i like it ;)
A review from Bienator II is as good as you can get when asking about FW.
For my part I am in FW precisely because you can get "good times" from as little as 45mins game time. It is the only place for casual gameplay in Eve, albeit not perfect (yet).
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Plato Forko
Forko Nanorobotics
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Posted - 2014.12.15 00:59:45 -
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Chammisse wrote:For me, i would like to log in and get a few decent fights in and not have to spend an hour or two trying to get a fight in the sea of blues. Will FW be a good fit in this sense?
it depends on what you're after. solo and small-gang action you can find within minutes but forming up a cruiser fleet takes a while and there's no guarantee of finding a worthy fight so usually they only form on an ad-hoc basis when there's enough **** in space to justify shipping up
There's nothin' like skating away from a fight with the hull on fire, some mods burned out and a cargohold full of loot.
See my terribad blog for stories.
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Moglarr
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:03:57 -
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Yes. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:34:23 -
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Chammisse wrote:For me, i would like to log in and get a few decent fights in and not have to spend an hour or two trying to get a fight in the sea of blues. That is the very definition of FW.
Just do it. You can do just fine with a lot less SP. And there's quite a number of higher SP players who still enjoy the cheap ship solo/small gang angle FW gives you.
pew pew
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Garr Gateway
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:32:47 -
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Interesting topic for me since lately I am having these thoughts about the same question. Thinking of trying FW after being in RvB a while. My main target side is Caldari since I would like to retain access to RvB space.
And my sub question on the topic subject: What would be the pros and cons of being the underdog (which Calmil seems to be atm)? |
Gunnar Ward
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.12.15 18:12:22 -
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Garr Gateway wrote:Interesting topic for me since lately I am having these thoughts about the same question. Thinking of trying FW after being in RvB a while. My main target side is Caldari since I would like to retain access to RvB space.
And my sub question on the topic subject: What would be the pros and cons of being the underdog (which Calmil seems to be atm)?
Pros: Lots of solo fights, lots of systems to offensively plex (higher payout)
Cons: Not as many lowsec home systems (harder to deploy), probably not as many fleets to join since the fighting population is smaller/less organized (that's anecdotal, not necessarily fact)
I'm to understand there is a lot of infighting in CalMil whereas GalMil Alliances/Corps tending to operate more as a cohesive network of entities and often support each others' efforts across the WZ. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2680
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Posted - 2014.12.15 18:34:00 -
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Garr Gateway wrote: My main target side is Caldari since I would like to retain access to RvB space.
CCP HATES GALLENTE! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WHEN EVERY NEW PLAYER WANTS TO KEEP ACCESS TO JITA??!!!
ok, done. Just thought I'd throw that out there for trolling purposes.
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Gunnar Ward
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.12.15 19:03:42 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Garr Gateway wrote: My main target side is Caldari since I would like to retain access to RvB space.
CCP HATES GALLENTE! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WHEN EVERY NEW PLAYER WANTS TO KEEP ACCESS TO JITA??!!! ok, done. Just thought I'd throw that out there for trolling purposes.
Dodixie:Boston::Jita:NYC
Might not be as big, but infinitely cooler!
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Theroine
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.12.16 03:02:37 -
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Gunnar Ward wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Garr Gateway wrote: My main target side is Caldari since I would like to retain access to RvB space.
CCP HATES GALLENTE! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WHEN EVERY NEW PLAYER WANTS TO KEEP ACCESS TO JITA??!!! ok, done. Just thought I'd throw that out there for trolling purposes. Dodixie:Boston::Jita:NYC Might not be as big, but infinitely cooler! Disclaimer: I live in New England [p-¦a-Ék +¦+Ö -êk-¦a-É+¦GÇ++¬n -êha-Év+Öd -êja-Éd] |
erg cz
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2014.12.16 08:52:18 -
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Biggest con I see for such experienced player is that you will be limited to cheap ships. If you stay solo, you will mostly fly in frigates or destroyers. Most ppl in FW do so for simple reason - it is no fun to see your billion worth ship taered apart by gang of 4 frigates, each worth 10 milions max. So most ships you will see in solo fights will be cruisers and smaller.
Biggest pro - if you want fight, you will find it really quick. Compared to waste null space, of cause. You also has meanings to limit your opponent by entering small or novice plex. Which is fine for total FW newbees like me.
But you are a bit late to join amarr/minmatars FW - it is done and quiet now. Was really hot last few weeks and ppl left it to relax. So if you want fight more effective - join caldary. They are underdog as minmatars as well, and in FW underdog always find solo fights quicker, IMHO.
Best part of FW is not solo, from what I saw. But this is very different story. |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.21 23:54:03 -
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pros: my 300k sp alt is making 500m-3b isk per day cons: i need to replace my 140m isk ship once per week or two :D
People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back --á EvE
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Chisa May
All-Out
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Posted - 2014.12.22 01:29:53 -
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Garnoo wrote:pros: my 300k sp alt is making 500m-3b isk per day cons: i need to replace my 140m isk ship once per week or two :D
What are you doing to make that money? |
Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2014.12.22 01:43:50 -
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Pro's :
Nope. No pro's flying in FW though there have been unconfirmed rumours that Galmil have started pimping themselves out recently in an effort to hold on to tier 2. Current rate, from unconfirmed sources, is 100k LP/hour for a massage with extra's to be negotiated with the player in question. Folks with more "exotic" tastes are encouraged to contact Crosi Wesdo directly.
Con's :
Yup, FW is a complete con. Who wants to have isk and plentiful low cost PVP served up to them on a plate? Silly idea. Don't know what CCP are thinking.
Our Church is open to all Eve sinners looking for salvation. Feel free to pop into our public channel (ASIO Public) for anointment with the Oil of Awesome. |
Plato Forko
Forko Nanorobotics
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Posted - 2014.12.22 01:47:52 -
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erg cz wrote:Best part of FW is not solo, from what I saw. But this is very different story.
it's a matter of ISK. A soloer in FW can roll out in PvP ships and swap between looking for fights and running a site for LP on the fly, so cash flow will be decent as long as you're out in space. As a pirate there may be more targets but there's no chance of warping to a plex for a fight and being rewarded with loot plus a faction frig's worth of LP
There's nothin' like skating away from a fight with the hull on fire, some mods burned out and a cargohold full of loot.
See my terribad blog for stories.
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Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.12.22 08:06:38 -
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erg cz wrote:Biggest con I see for such experienced player is that you will be limited to cheap ships. If you stay solo, you will mostly fly in frigates or destroyers. Most ppl in FW do so for simple reason - it is no fun to see your billion worth ship taered apart by gang of 4 frigates, each worth 10 milions max. So most ships you will see in solo fights will be cruisers and smaller.
Biggest pro - if you want fight, you will find it really quick. Compared to waste null space, of cause. You also has meanings to limit your opponent by entering small or novice plex. Which is fine for total FW newbees like me.
But you are a bit late to join amarr/minmatars FW - it is done and quiet now. Was really hot last few weeks and ppl left it to relax. So if you want fight more effective - join caldary. They are underdog as minmatars as well, and in FW underdog always find solo fights quicker, IMHO.
Best part of FW is not solo, from what I saw. But this is very different story.
I highly disagree on being limited to cheap ships. It depends on what you want to do and how. If your billion isk ship is torn apart by 4 frigates, you took a fight you shouldn't have in a ship that couldn't deal with what was coming. Whether the frigates are 10 million isk a piece or 200 doesn't really matter.
CSSYN flies expensive stuff all the time. Cynabals, Orthruses, Gilas, Scimitars. We may not be out on the front lines of the fight in massive blobs, but we enjoy our small gang and it works out quite well for us. It's just a matter of finding a group that does what you want. Want to fly Ishtars all the time? Join a group that does that like Bohica or Spaceship Samurai. Want to fly huge amounts of cheap frigates, destroyers, logi and AF's and such? Join a different group, like GHIOT, BLOC, Rapid Withdrawal, Aideron, Templis etc. There is something for everyone in Faction Warfare you just have to find the right group to fly with.
To say you're "limited" to cheap ships is flat out wrong. Nobody is forcing you to fly them. It is however the most commonly found thing in Faction Warfare. You can make incredibly effective ships for quite a low cost, so in a lot of cases there isn't a need to go big unless you're specifically trying to fight outnumbered.
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.12.22 08:25:57 -
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Bienator II wrote:- no docking games (#1 reason why i am in FW)
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Abyss Azizora
Temporary Corp 12
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Posted - 2014.12.22 08:40:49 -
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Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:Bienator II wrote:- no docking games (#1 reason why i am in FW)
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When in FW the stations owned by a faction in the contestable lowsec systems refuse docking access to enemy players in opposing factions.
However this does not prevent docking games of a sort if you camp enemy stations. So technically it does not prevent docking games, it just prevents them from being done by enemies in YOUR systems. |
Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:20:00 -
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If you are not stubborn and don't treat this game like collection of centralized services, FW teaches you quite a few things more:
Asset logistics Geographic connections Teaches you not to trivialise travel time ("omg i got tackled 10j out pls halp") Can teach you to be market aware/savvy if you pay attention How to do your best with what you have. Or avoid putting yourself in a situation where you don't have what you need.
You have to get out of Jita though. Preferably with the intention of living in Lowsec. |
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ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
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Posted - 2014.12.23 07:02:08 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:If you are not stubborn and don't treat this game like collection of centralized services, FW teaches you quite a few things more:
Asset logistics Geographic connections Teaches you not to trivialise travel time ("omg i got tackled 10j out pls halp") Can teach you to be market aware/savvy if you pay attention How to do your best with what you have. Or avoid putting yourself in a situation where you don't have what you need.
You have to get out of Jita though. Preferably with the intention of living in Lowsec.
this^^ i spent a very very short time in FW, and i was camped into a high-sec station the entire time. make the move before you commit or you may suffer the same fate.
that being said i really dont like FW. read above for a biased point of view. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
699
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Posted - 2014.12.24 20:26:21 -
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Gunnar Ward wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Garr Gateway wrote: My main target side is Caldari since I would like to retain access to RvB space.
CCP HATES GALLENTE! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WHEN EVERY NEW PLAYER WANTS TO KEEP ACCESS TO JITA??!!! ok, done. Just thought I'd throw that out there for trolling purposes. Dodixie:Boston::Jita:NYC Might not be as big, but infinitely cooler! Disclaimer: I live in New England These days, you can get a lot of stuff in Vlillirier a lot cheaper than you can in Orvolle, Dodixie, or Villore. Step up and build a lowsec market hub, changes the dynamics massively.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Oreb Wing
Windrammers Bohica Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.25 00:21:37 -
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Vlill is an excellent system for new Gallente FW corps to join. There are plenty of stations you can make your home there and not feel too overwhelmed moving a new group into FW lowsec.
My attempt at Eve fan fiction. http://epiphora-orebwing.blogspot.com/2013/11/epiphora-revision.html?m=1
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
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Posted - 2014.12.25 03:35:09 -
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pro's
unlimited isk fountain free wardec increase your target base by wardecing your allies. the last bastion of RP - wait a second
con's
cowards no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates. finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month. fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc. srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw.
Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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Roel Yento
Death Row inc
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Posted - 2014.12.26 19:38:28 -
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Some good fun in faction warfare. Didn't care much for plex mechanics but the fleet vs fleet fights outside of plexes was tons of fun. Restricting ships in plexes and having to use acceleration gates makes it so most groups are frigs or cruisers and gives them plenty of chances to run if they want or get into their optimal range since you will always land same spot inside of a plex. If all plexes worked like large ones i would of enjoyed it more since there are no acceleration gates at least. |
Oreb Wing
Windrammers Bohica Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.27 16:42:14 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:pro's
unlimited isk fountain free wardec increase your target base by wardecing your allies. the last bastion of RP - wait a second
con's
cowards no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates. finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month. fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc. srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw.
Sorry, guy, but I see faction fit stuff all the time in our space. T3's, pirate cruisers, and many many faction point Garmur's.
For how easy it is for you to farm LP's, I'm surprised Republic and Imperial doesn't fly bling ALL the time.
My attempt at Eve fan fiction. http://epiphora-orebwing.blogspot.com/2013/11/epiphora-revision.html?m=1
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Burtakus
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.12.29 05:33:00 -
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Faction warfare is a ton of fun if you treat it for what it is. I am on my second stint in FW and loving every minute of it.
Pros's - lots of PvP (solo, small gang, and fleets up to around 20-30 ish) Bigger fleets do happen but not very often and are usually for a specific objective - I can undock and go 1-2 jumps away and usually within 10 minutes I am in a fight. - Cheap faction ships: I can run a large plex at TIer 2 and get 30k LP which is good for 3 faction frigs and it takes 20-minutes - Decent isk: Short of my experience in a C5-C5 WH FW has the most potential for isk (I have not done incursions so can't compare) - Plex mechanics and NPC behavior have significantly reduced the number of pure farmers - Shiny kills are available if you work at it (2-days ago I got in on a Golem, Vargur, and 2 Vindi kills). Not to mention the faction and ded fitted frigs and cruisers I come across on a weekly basis - Griefing War Targets in high sec is great fun when they get blown up on a gate in their own high sec - Some of the best PvP'ers are in FW
Cons - Solo PvP can be difficult as it's not uncommon to engage and then have local spike with the support fleet - Many War Targets are very skittish about fighting and quite a few are risk averse to taking fights they might lose a ship in - If you get to big and shiny of a fleet the local pirates take notice and you get blobbed by something you have no chance of countering - Lots of folks are running around with pirate implants and links so you never know if that T1 frig is an easy kill or if you are about to get jacked up until you build a history with the local populace - Still have cloaky stabbed farmers but they are more of an annoyance than a broken mechanic now - Have to convert LP into isk - Lack of fleet doctrines can make getting a desired fleet comp hard to do on short notice - No SRP - Cap kills are not that common but do happen |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
481
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Posted - 2014.12.29 05:45:09 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:pro's
unlimited isk fountain free wardec increase your target base by wardecing your allies. the last bastion of RP - wait a second
con's
cowards no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates. finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month. fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc. srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw. Sorry, guy, but I see faction fit stuff all the time in our space. T3's, pirate cruisers, and many many faction point Garmur's. For how easy it is for you to farm LP's, I'm surprised Republic and Imperial doesn't fly bling ALL the time. im speaking for half of FW, OUR half. as somebody whos been invested in fw for so many years over the last 3 years it has been the most disappointing decline in eve pvp history starting with glorious battleship fights everyday sinking down to the same repetitive 'o no my t1 frigate is gonna die' EVERY SINGLE DAY. no variation no change, garbage in, garbage out.
my list is 100% accurate of the minmatar amarr warzone. and to an extent your as well.
Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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PigKing
62nd Special Support and Extrication Company Ex.
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Posted - 2015.01.05 04:31:58 -
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Yea.... |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.01.05 06:50:09 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Oreb Wing wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:pro's
unlimited isk fountain free wardec increase your target base by wardecing your allies. the last bastion of RP - wait a second
con's
cowards no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates. finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month. fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc. srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw. Sorry, guy, but I see faction fit stuff all the time in our space. T3's, pirate cruisers, and many many faction point Garmur's. For how easy it is for you to farm LP's, I'm surprised Republic and Imperial doesn't fly bling ALL the time. im speaking for half of FW, OUR half. as somebody whos been invested in fw for so many years over the last 3 years it has been the most disappointing decline in eve pvp history starting with glorious battleship fights everyday sinking down to the same repetitive 'o no my t1 frigate is gonna die' EVERY SINGLE DAY. no variation no change, garbage in, garbage out. my list is 100% accurate of the minmatar amarr warzone. and to an extent your as well.
people who want battleship fights go to where their losses get SRP'ed. Null-Sec
thousands of ships died per day in Huola, if those were battleships, we'd all be broke lol
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