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Cyndrogen
Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:13:04 -
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Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:Cyndrogen wrote: I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it?
PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.
This is a perfect example how high skill points(or decent fits) mean nothing without piloting skills. Yes, for a beginner pvp in EvE is hard, solo pvp is even harder, but the rewards of mastering it make it all the sweeter.
I hear ya loud and clear, I don't understand what happens to me though when I engage someone. My mind behaves differently. I know I have to keep range and be within a certain distance but I experience some sort of mental block caused by adrenaline??? I don't know I just need to fight through it, and remember to fire all the things, overheat all the things, keep in range all the things and watch my own shields and armor always... I'm still not flying with reflex gut feelings, it's still very much a "remember you need to do A before you do B" instead of just instinctively knowing to do it.
I use to forget to launch drones before when I engaged someone, is that typical? |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:36:19 -
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I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... |
Cyndrogen
Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector
667
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:41:26 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End...
Eve was designed to punish solo play, it's monotonous, it's boring and repetitive on purpose. You are meant to team up.... My issue is finding fleets in my timezone and corps are not a good way to do that.
Incursions are a good way to earn isk, but I'm interested in earning experience, something very different. I want PVP experience both solo and in gangs. There are some good groups out there like the Spectre fleet, been flying with them and learning to about pvp but still there is no way to teach experience. You just have to do it over and over and humans are the most dangerous prey. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:34:43 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:I'm playing 6 years...Never had a kill yet. I sucked so bad at PVP I just quit trying years ago. Now I find other things to do. If I get attacked I either escape or give up. I do play solo though. Join a corp. Corps don't want a 6 year old toon with no kills. The End... Eve was designed to punish solo play, it's monotonous, it's boring and repetitive on purpose. You are meant to team up.... I'm told "Never Trust Anyone"...
So I wont...
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Nishachara
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
11
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Posted - 2014.12.16 23:36:10 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:... I always try to have modules in the same place in the ui on each ship I'm flying so my hand can remember where itt is...
..Yesterday one of two caracals escaped from me when i killed the first because i was smashing f4 which is scram/point on most of my ships but on my sleip scram was actually at f5... and thats only one example...
..so.. OP ..mistakes happen to everybody... don't be dismayed but try again ^^ also in frigates i don't engage destroyers... it coud be done but a margin for your error is very small... good luck ;)
Edit: Also about some people pointing out of practicing in missions somewhat... I agree with this one to an extent, i practiced a lot in 600 Mil cap not even close stable, but with boosters ( always to few ) nano ( yup for missions ) tempest fleet issiue... if i make a mistake i lose a more than half a Bil ship ( to rats ! )...
You practice a lot of micromanagment habbits that way and to keep your cool... But you can't practice real pvp situations in missions thou, just the brain to keep track of all things you need too... |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2725
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Posted - 2014.12.17 00:47:28 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:Cyndrogen wrote: I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it?
PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.
This is a perfect example how high skill points(or decent fits) mean nothing without piloting skills. Yes, for a beginner pvp in EvE is hard, solo pvp is even harder, but the rewards of mastering it make it all the sweeter. I hear ya loud and clear, I don't understand what happens to me though when I engage someone. My mind behaves differently. I know I have to keep range and be within a certain distance but I experience some sort of mental block caused by adrenaline??? I don't know I just need to fight through it, and remember to fire all the things, overheat all the things, keep in range all the things and watch my own shields and armor always... I'm still not flying with reflex gut feelings, it's still very much a "remember you need to do A before you do B" instead of just instinctively knowing to do it. I use to forget to launch drones before when I engaged someone, is that typical? shakes are normal
Forgetting everything is normal
Not understanding wtfeven happened is normal
The only solution for a new solo pvper? Fraps!
Trust me, do it.
Make space glamorous!
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Cannibal Kane
Blood Raiders Elite
4526
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:59:27 -
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Situation awareness is key in PVP.
Not so much if you fly with others and taking orders.
Just keep practicing. To some it comes very quickly to others not so they stick with the taking orders part.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7512
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:36:21 -
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Nishachara wrote: Also about some people pointing out of practicing in missions somewhat...
mission runners dude. won't teach you the finer points but its a good way to get some confidence up.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6201
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Posted - 2014.12.17 05:02:29 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:
PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.
Everyone does better in fleets. The point of flying solo is to challenge yourself and become better on your own without needing a crutch. Nothing in this game has been more thrilling for me, personally, than solo pvp, whether I'm winning or losing.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Laken Starr
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
30
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Posted - 2014.12.17 09:12:52 -
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I'm probably worse. I've been playing Eve off and on for over four years now, and I don't think I've ever fired my guns at another player so far (station trading and mining don't really lend themselves well to pew pew). I realized that I'm probably missing out on a big part of the Eve experience, hence why I joined OUCH. I've heard good things about Agony Unleashed, too. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7048
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Posted - 2014.12.17 09:34:48 -
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Everything is hard
Everything is scary
Everything is massively unfair
Solo anything is even harder, scarier and unfair than all of the other ways
The trick is to make it hard, scary and unfair on your target
I get the impression the OP is looking for fair fights.
No such animal found on the EvE Database.
If you fly a Frigate against a Destroyer, you are doing it the wrong way around.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
2963
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Posted - 2014.12.17 09:45:18 -
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Whole point of existence of destroyers is to be hard counter to frigates. So when you are trying to learn fighting and it is frig vs dessie YOU should be in destroyer not in frigate. Sure, frigates kill destroyers. They also kill BS or caps. But they kill those things because their pilots do not learn anymore, they already know this stuff.
Baby steps is the key to pvp in Eve. You will faceplant a lot, you will lose a lot but at one point pieces of puzzle will fall into place and you will "get it".
Also you might want to simplify your fits at the beginning, fly more passive fits so you could focus on actual fight instead of having 20 things to take care of. Scram/web/ab in mids, plate/dc/(gyro/te) in lows, full gank highs and rigs to taste. This way you basically click point and web and start shooting and all you have to care about is range.
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Don Purple
1080
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Posted - 2014.12.17 09:45:23 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:I learned today that I am not good at PVP. No, actually I'm terrible at it. I don't understand the mechanics, it's difficult to watch modules, distance to ship and overall the GUI is pretty difficult for a beginner pvp pilot. Did I launch drones? Is the ship in range? Did I overheat my module? Did I stop overheating? Too many variables to keep track and in too many places and it moves so fast I forget what I'm doing!
I even had a decent fit and I still can't take down a simple destroyer hull. I got close, but I didn't notice he flew outside my rocket range because I was watching the hull.... bleh. How do you do it? Congrats to those with the patience to learn this, I think I prefer shooters and aiming with a mouse.
PvP solo is like playing eve on Ultra Difficult. Don't do it! Join a fleet. I do better in fleets.
Oh you are just a treat :D
I am just here to snuggle.
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Solj RichPopolous
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
103
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:55:29 -
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Most will never grasp the concepts involved. And id be willing to be 99% of the posters on this thread are doormats. The thing about EVE is most people never really get good at it. They either get more numbers and blob you, or they use a cookie cutter fit that occasionally works. Once you figure out the game though its pretty easy, you just must aspire to do so and not fall into the cookie cutter trap. As it stands its IMPOSSIBLE for me to lose in a 1v1 fight with cruiser sized hulls and below. If anyone wants to challenge this I accept all comers and will have it FRAPSed and posted for all to see how easy people are in this game.
My only sport now is getting into fights that are usually 10 v 1.
The thing to take away from this is learn the game. Don't follow the same cookie cutter crap everyone tells you that you have to do because thats just what it is crap.
Also if you'd like to learn from the best we have a corp in our alliance for aspiring pvpers such as yourself, where you will be able to learn proper gameplay and tactics. Not just the run of the mill "im a PVP god" because i have x amount of logi or im in a blob mentality the rest seem to have. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:17:47 -
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Believe this guy, he's actually knowing what he is talking about. |
flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
56
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:20:22 -
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It is definitely hard, I have also always struggled with solo pvp, but i'm getting better. There is just so much going on at once, especially with how fast frig fights can be, that I just can't pay attention to it.
Like others have suggested, I would highly recommend recording (Fraps is great) your fights. After the fight, review the video and try and see what you did wrong, and what you could have done better. Also learning what to engage in which ships is key. For example, I have a ship that i use tracking disruptors on and I don't engage missile ships with it because y advantage is nullified.
Try making a ship with a mwd, scram and web and then hunt down ships that you know are kiters. shouldn't be too hard to pop them since their tank is usually weak, and their long distance guns won't be so effective against you at close ranges.
All great men have mustaches
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Cyndrogen
Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector
675
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Posted - 2014.12.19 22:54:56 -
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flaming phantom wrote:It is definitely hard, I have also always struggled with solo pvp, but i'm getting better. There is just so much going on at once, especially with how fast frig fights can be, that I just can't pay attention to it.
Like others have suggested, I would highly recommend recording (Fraps is great) your fights. After the fight, review the video and try and see what you did wrong, and what you could have done better. Also learning what to engage in which ships is key. For example, I have a ship that i use tracking disruptors on and I don't engage missile ships with it because y advantage is nullified.
Try making a ship with a mwd, scram and web and then hunt down ships that you know are kiters. shouldn't be too hard to pop them since their tank is usually weak, and their long distance guns won't be so effective against you at close ranges.
how did the term kite get started? |
Mara Gus
Egg separator cooperative
6
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Posted - 2014.12.19 22:56:29 -
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is no pvp on eve is gang bang real |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7144
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Posted - 2014.12.20 00:47:08 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:
how did the term kite get started?
Its from the 1964 American film Mary Poppins, more specifically the song "(Let's all fly) A Kite"; where in flying a kite is alluded to as being as much fun as neuting and pointing a Hulk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-g8YYPKVo
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
20561
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Posted - 2014.12.20 01:37:37 -
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I'm not good at EVE PVP either, but I was flying around with Sol once and he told me to zoom out. Learning to be situationally aware is my biggest challenge, and knowing where you are sitting and moving with respect to other ships in your vicinity is crucial.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
540
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Posted - 2014.12.20 01:53:25 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:how did the term kite get started? When you hold a flying kite into the wind ... ... and move towards or away from it ... ... then you're kiting. :) |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
514
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Posted - 2014.12.20 02:01:31 -
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Literally everything in your post happens to every newbie.
Even the pros make mistakes they just make less.
Over time you get used to micromanaging everything.What i found useful for practice is doing my Pve in undertanked ships. SO you get used to keeping range, keeping up transversal, heating correctly etc.
The other way to do it is get a friend go onto SiSi and buy 100 ships and 1v1 each other. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
844
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Posted - 2014.12.20 02:42:25 -
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What I liked to do when I was learning to PvP all those years ago is to eliminate as much variables as possible during the fight. Yes, it was overwhelming for me as well for a good while, but I've learned in steps.
What do I mean by eliminating variables?
Well, if you want to forget about capacitor, fly ships that don't depend on capacitor (like passive tanked missile or projectile ships) and avoid fighting anything that can drain your capacitor and make you think about it.
Buffer (passive) tanked ships are also eliminating the need to pay attention to tanking modules (shield boosters and armor repairers).
Range of your guns should be a decision made when you plan the fit and your potential targets. For each ship there are only really two basic ranges - short range and long range. Use one ship for a while to get used to its short and long ranges and it will stick in your memory.
If you feel that managing drones in a battle is too much information to process at once at a given point of time (I used to regularly forget to even use drones in battle on numerous occasions myself), pick ships that do not have drone bays or whose drones are just a secondary helpful, but not critical weapon.
Movement can be eliminated as something you should think about with picking the right target for your ship (and fit). For example, if you plan to be faster than your target, you are the one who owns the space and dictates movement. Increasing your relative speed to you opponent's ship can either be done by kiting and having more speed than your opponent, or by lowering opponent's speed with stasis webifiers, warp disruptors (since the shut down microwarp drives) or energy neutralizers (since the drain capacitor from opponent's ship so that he won't have enough capacitor to turn on an afterburner or a microwarpdrive)
I've learned like that.... By flying the simplest ship that I could think of (passive tanked Drake) for a good amount of time. Then I've introduced more variables when I felt that I have mastered the ones already present.
I hope this helps
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
990
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:10:16 -
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I've never understood the attitude some have to 1v1 pvp, thinking it's somehow pure or a reflection of skill. Running a camp or a bash can require awareness of activity in a whole constellation, leading 20 pilots into a wormhole for some tourism/terrorism/pve is another whole game. Solo pvp is mostly a lowsec thing for me, as much as possible i like it to be max dps vs a hauler. Endless frig-dessie-cruiser smackdown is only fun for a fortnight or so. The most profitable, exciting and significant-to-the-map engagements are small gang and big fleet action in sov null. Anyone who scorns these as only for those who follow orders is a bit stuck up, or has the sort of temperament that can't find a place in a group. The best solo pvper will never own a station, or a system or any territory. Relevance is relevance.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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JMD
Psedotek Inc.
13
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Posted - 2014.12.20 07:37:33 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsvyjePPFRs
Just going to leave this here, I think it captures the general feeling of trying to calm down in pvp starting out.
As for me I like to pop into WHs scream "Everybody run! They are coming this way!" and then leave.
I think the biggest thing is just have fun, don't worry about kills/losses. Skill comes with time.
I've also heard it helps to buy your ship and fittings in bulk, 10 or 20 complete sets in a staging system so it cuts down on the time of getting everything set up. You can just throw it together quickly and get back out into the fight. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
586
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Posted - 2014.12.20 11:58:47 -
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Hi OP
Another nice way to solo PvP in EVE is to gank stuff in Highsec. As always it is completely different than other forms of PvP and you have to know some different game mechanics like how CONCORD and Faction Police react to aggression and security status.
You can gank with only one character or with a gank character and a scout. This depends a bit on what you want to kill. I list you some sources for more information on this if you are interested. If not, just ignore my post.
General information about ganking and tactics used to work in Highsec as a -10 char: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html
Tippas blog post on CONCORD response times: http://blog.beyondreality.se/TTK-CONCORD
We also have a corp (New Order Logistics) dedicated to new and old players who are interested in ganking. There you can try out or learn the business from some of our best gankers and if you like it you can join the fun.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Tamazaki
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.12.20 12:09:10 -
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I avoid PvP whenever possible. It's thrilling to evade the hunters! Sneaky beaky |
Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
568
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Posted - 2014.12.20 12:31:41 -
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Tamazaki wrote:I avoid PvP whenever possible. It's thrilling to evade the hunters! Sneaky beaky Evading hunters falls under PvP too, silly. ;) |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1072
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Posted - 2014.12.21 00:11:10 -
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You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank.
You sit at a gate with 20 others and burn down a single target jumping in and declare yourself l33t.
You train into a cloaky bomber, read one post on how to fire bombs, and profit.
You train into a large alpha and shoot targets that cannot fire back.
Pretty sure that covers 90% of the PvP in EvE.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
586
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Posted - 2014.12.21 00:41:51 -
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Nexus Day wrote:You stay in the game for years and then pick victims with lesser gear that cannot in a million years break your tank. Are you sure you posted in the right game forum?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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