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Nano Spartan
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:32:20 -
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I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5825
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:34:29 -
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Do you have a tl:dr I'm busy polishing my bittervet diamonds at the moment.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7000
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:35:15 -
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Two, too, to.
Learn them.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7563
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:35:56 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Two, too, to. Learn them. Mr Epeen
Your right.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Crimson Draufgange
Extreme Overkill Inc. The Bastard Cartel
16
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:39:43 -
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Their is way two much grammar correcting in this thread.
Lets get back on trak.
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Paranoid Loyd
3051
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:45:52 -
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What's that you're saying? I can't hear you, I'm buried under a pile of loot and isk.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Blobskillz McBlub
Manson Family Advent of Fate
19
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:48:01 -
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Nano Spartan wrote:I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place?
no
no
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Hiasa Kite
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
60
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:48:30 -
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Translated: The OP seems to think that more money magically makes your ship better.
People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4103
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:55:14 -
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Hang on - you think that players are too reckless with their assets, but propose tightening up money supply via ISK sinks to fix this percieved problem?
How on earth do you think that reducing ISK in the economy would reduce the number of deadspace fitted tengus being flown?
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6200
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:57:13 -
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Nano Spartan wrote:I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place?
I remember this thread from October. It's almost identical. I had to check to see that it wasn't necro'd. Turns out, this is a new one. So I'll give you the same answer I gave the last one: you can never have too much isk. There is only so much in the economy at any given time, and if ships are going to cost 500mil, then it needs to be possible for someone to make 500mil.
If there is a problem, it isn't the effectiveness of sinks. It's the ease with which isk can be made, in ALL secs of space, and the ease with which PVP can be avoided.
Starting new in EVE is definitely hard, but it's got nothing to do with how much isk you have. Money is easy to make, too easy. Learning how to make it, how to play the game, that's the hard part. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, because it is a natural filter against many who are just too lazy for this game's true nature.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7511
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Posted - 2014.12.17 01:58:33 -
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hahahahah, the op's jelly
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18552
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:05:46 -
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Posting in a 'Nerf everyone else cuz they're better than me for reasons' thread.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Badden Powell
Future Dynamics
15
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:07:28 -
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well, i have a solution to this problem. If anyone feels that they have too much ISK, I know a capsuleer who specializes in sequestering excess ISK and ensuring that it does not harm the rest of new eden in any way. if interested please send me an eve mail.
Thank you. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18554
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:09:10 -
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Badden Powell wrote:well, i have a solution to this problem. If anyone feels that they have too much ISK, I know a capsuleer who specializes in sequestering excess ISK and ensuring that it does not harm the rest of new eden in any way. if interested please send me an eve mail.
Thank you.
No need to be the middle man, they all know to contact me directly by now.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
202
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:32:44 -
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Nano Spartan wrote:I see a lot of capsuleers in ( Highsec, Lowsec, Wormhole space) both pve and pvp flying some really expensive stuff. I also look at that individuals kill boards and history. What i see most of the time is them dying in ships costing over 500m+ . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships. So this makes me wonder, Do we as capsuleers have or save isk too easily? Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place?
It isn't the isk supply. Its the materials supply. Exploration changes have significantly lowered the price of deadspace modules and WH space changes over recent years have cause a substantial decrease in the cost of T3s. Plus we have stuff like UI improvements, MTU and mobile depots that have made it easier and faster to get things done. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
509
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:34:46 -
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Depends. If you farm a lot and don't pvp a lot, then its pretty easy to amass a stupid amount of ISK. If all you do is pvp (and die) and don't like doing any of EVE's money-making activities, then ISK can get pretty tight pretty quick. Unless you don't mind buying ISK off of people via PLEX, then ISK becomes trivial and meaningless again. |
Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
202
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:35:52 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Depends. If you farm a lot and don't pvp a lot, then its pretty easy to amass a stupid amount of ISK. If all you do is pvp (and die) and don't like doing any of EVE's money-making activities, then ISK can get pretty tight pretty quick. Unless you don't mind buying ISK off of people via PLEX, then ISK becomes trivial and meaningless again.
PvP can be very profitable(even if you die), so long as you do it in high sec.
PvPing in low or null is almost always an isk pit though. |
Badden Powell
Future Dynamics
15
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Posted - 2014.12.17 02:39:03 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Badden Powell wrote:well, i have a solution to this problem. If anyone feels that they have too much ISK, I know a capsuleer who specializes in sequestering excess ISK and ensuring that it does not harm the rest of new eden in any way. if interested please send me an eve mail.
Thank you. No need to be the middle man, they all know to contact me directly by now.
Well played =) |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1220
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Posted - 2014.12.17 04:09:15 -
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Nano Spartan wrote: . Some friends argue with me that starting new in eve is to hard. Mostly due to players isk income not that players skill points when flying ships.
Starting in EVE is not hard. if you sub for 12 months and then buy a PLEX pack you can have all the ISK (and ships) you could ever want. You can even go to the character bazaar and buy a ready trained character.
What your friends are actually saying is "playing completely for free in EVE is hard as a new player" .
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Crimson Draufgange
Extreme Overkill Inc. The Bastard Cartel
20
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Posted - 2014.12.17 04:26:10 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Translated: The OP seems to think that more money magically makes your ship better.
Hmmm, must've played WoW.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
809
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Posted - 2014.12.17 07:23:33 -
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Nano Spartan wrote:Are isk sinks really not that effective or is the risk really low with the tools and game mechanics in place? Definitely has nothing to do with availability of ISK, rather it's availability of "good stuff". Raw amount of ISK generated mostly just affects scale of numbers you see on market, but not how accessible goods are.
Tear Jar wrote:...and WH space changes over recent years have cause a substantial decrease in the cost of T3s. Well, since 1.5 years ago, T3s are among those things (others are T1 cruisers, FOTF ships and PLEX) that grew noticeably more expensive.
Crimson Draufgange wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Translated: The OP seems to think that more money magically makes your ship better. Hmmm, must've played WoW. Probably not. Money in WoW are mostly worthless due to lack of sinks and the fact that overwhelming majority of good stuff can only be acquired by participating in PvP and PvE activities that have nothing to do with money gathering, and cannot be traded afterwards.
Maybe something changed since I've played it though. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2769
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Posted - 2014.12.17 08:36:16 -
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Buy PLEX with real life money, sell PLEX for isk, buy expensive ships etc.
This is not a signature.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7048
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Posted - 2014.12.17 09:59:06 -
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I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man
Are you jelly of that, too?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5529
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Posted - 2014.12.17 10:05:43 -
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I never have enough ISK. Whenever I get above 1 billion it magically evaporates.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
465
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Posted - 2014.12.17 11:26:38 -
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I don't agree with the OP here. If you start EVE and find yourself demotivated because you can't fly a 3 billion ISK Rattlesnake any time soon, your problem is not ISK related.
But you can always sell plex and get yourself a ship with purple stuff. Its not like were all waiting to laugh at the lossmail when it hits a website or anything... |
Miko Valentine
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
13
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:06:06 -
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500mil ? for what ship ? a standart L4 Mission Runner Navy BS is 600-700 mil ... a T2 cruiser with shiny weaponupgrades is far more than 500mil and have you never seen these throw away 3bisk BS-¦s and Cruiserson zkillboard or reckless flown Shuttles with Plex in its cargo hold ? and what about the tiny Minmatar nullsec Probe ship worth 3mil but with freshly scanned/Hacked High grade implant BPC-¦s in its cargo wich also can be far more than 500mil but doesnt show cus bpc-¦s arenton the market .... i am neweras new but when a Vet player 7 years old has 2 maxed PI alts producing Tier4 whatever items 20mil a piece what is wrong with being space rich ? |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
288
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:14:21 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man
Are you jelly of that, too? I'm your fellow man.
Now love me long time. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7054
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:20:36 -
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Sol Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man
Are you jelly of that, too? I'm your fellow man. Now love me long time.
Aw if it only it were true
But I cant use the term sebeistor and man in the same sentence
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:33:42 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Sol Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I am rich in faith and love for my fellow man
Are you jelly of that, too? I'm your fellow man. Now love me long time. Aw if it only it were true But I cant use the term sebeistor and man in the same sentence Aww that hurts me right in my pants. :/
Wow, it's almost too easy going offtopic with you.
On topic: i never have a lot of ISK. Never had either. Never needed it. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7056
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:37:54 -
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Sol Project wrote: Wow, it's almost too easy going offtopic with you.
Considering we generally agree in topic, and fight only in front of the children to teach them about the real world, I didn't think much we said to each other was ever on topic, dearie
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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