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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:15:02 -
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OMFG I THINK I WANT TO HAVE ITS BABIES!! I've managed to rack up a fair few good kills with my duel-rep brawling 'fessor so far and discovered the glory of permatanking gate guns in lowsec with a destroyer. It looks like a lot of people are trying to kite with it and having a modicum of success. It does seem like the ideal use for the sharpshooter mode but it's kind of a waste of the defence mode. So I did my best to maximise the use of the defence mode without making its other modes redundant. The defence mode seems to be the one that really makes the ship.
So I've set it up with duel reps, a full rack of t2 pulses, and a few other things that I won't go into specifics about (not gonna show my whole hand ). I can still hit in sharpshooter mode out to 20km, not bad considering the majority of kiters are gonna be inside that. The main advantage of sharpshooter mode is the double scan res, targeting range and sensor strength. Those are useful in many situations, and this mode is not wasted if you brawl with the ship.
Then in speed mode, I have a faster align time which is great for pursuing stuff that slips past your gate camp, regardless of size. Once you catch up to it, quickly switch to sharpshooter to minimise locking time, then switch to defence mode to permatank gate guns.
Am I doting? I think I'm doting. On a ship. Seriously, I still love the Ishkur and Enyo but I think I've found something I'm gonna fly even more. And OMFG I can't wait to see what the Gallente one's gonna be like.
So what's the general feels on the 'fessor round here? Have you tried it yet? Cost too much for you? Don't worry, I got mine when it was 950 but worth every penny.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:26:42 -
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Ships & Modules
Perhaps you should move your thread there, it's where all the fitting and ship discussions happen. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:37:32 -
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Rovinia wrote:Ships & ModulesPerhaps you should move your thread there, it's where all the fitting and ship discussions happen.
I deemed it general discussion worthy due to the nature of it being new eve content worth talking about. If a mod deems it otherwise, they'll move it, but this isn't just about ships and modules, it's about PVP and tactics as well as a general love for good quality new content. IMO, GD never has enough positive posts about new content.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:39:05 -
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Ugh layzors
Yay Amarr-built
When's the BR skin for it and can I put neutaz all over her?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:41:59 -
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When I saw it only takes nine days to skill for it ... ... I thought that's pretty awesome.
Then I checked my support skills.
Sadtrombone. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:48:45 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ugh layzors
Yay Amarr-built
When's the BR skin for it and can I put neutaz all over her?
We actually theorycrafted a neuting fit and didn't like anything we came up with.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:51:15 -
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It costs too damned much. Nobody knows how to fit one. Nobody WANTS to know how to fit one, and no one, (I do mean no one) has given one synapse worth of thought as to what role it could possibly have aside from filling out an inventory that looked a bit thin in the destroyer column.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:51:45 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ugh layzors
Yay Amarr-built
When's the BR skin for it and can I put neutaz all over her? We actually theorycrafted a neuting fit and didn't like anything we came up with.
Does it do drones at all?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5530
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:54:57 -
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It seems perfect for high-sec anomalies and frigate sized combat sites.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:55:09 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ugh layzors
Yay Amarr-built
When's the BR skin for it and can I put neutaz all over her? We actually theorycrafted a neuting fit and didn't like anything we came up with. Does it do drones at all?
No. Fingers crossed for Gallente though.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6217
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:55:58 -
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Abrazzar wrote:It seems perfect for high-sec anomalies and frigate sized combat sites.
Solo'd a 6/10 with mine yesterday.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6217
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Posted - 2014.12.17 13:58:29 -
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Serene Repose wrote:It costs too damned much. Nobody knows how to fit one. Nobody WANTS to know how to fit one, and no one, (I do mean no one) has given one synapse worth of thought as to what role it could possibly have aside from filling out an inventory that looked a bit thin in the destroyer column.
Err... hi, we have. It definitely has a role, it actually has a variety of roles, and I know exactly how to fit one. It's actually quite versatile if you do it right. Just don't undock an unplated one in Jita....
In my experience so far, what it's absolutely best at is knocking off assault frigates.
The cost in isk is irrelevant. The payout in sheer enjoyment is worth it.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:24:12 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Serene Repose wrote:It costs too damned much. Nobody knows how to fit one. Nobody WANTS to know how to fit one, and no one, (I do mean no one) has given one synapse worth of thought as to what role it could possibly have aside from filling out an inventory that looked a bit thin in the destroyer column. Err... hi, we have. It definitely has a role, it actually has a variety of roles, and I know exactly how to fit one. It's actually quite versatile if you do it right. Just don't undock an unplated one in Jita.... In my experience so far, what it's absolutely best at is knocking off assault frigates. The cost in isk is irrelevant. The payout in sheer enjoyment is worth it. Oh, I see. It has many roles. Right. Imagine a destroyer killing a frigate...or "destroying" one...a role. Cost in ISK is always relevant. First rule of warfare, cost effectiveness. The one-cent solution to the ten billion dollar bomb = victory.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9123
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:25:10 -
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Abrazzar wrote:It seems perfect for high-sec anomalies and frigate sized combat sites.
Yep, it's the new Tengu lol.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7059
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:31:32 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Nobody WANTS to know how to fit one, and no one, (I do mean no one) has given one synapse worth of thought as to what role it could possibly have aside from filling out an inventory that looked a bit thin in the destroyer column.
I can see half a dozen uses for it personally
Remiel Pollard wrote: No. Fingers crossed for Gallente though.
Yuck
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7537
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:41:09 -
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you can guess how i plan to fit mine i played with them on sisi and had had alot of fun with it
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:42:48 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Serene Repose wrote:It costs too damned much. Nobody knows how to fit one. Nobody WANTS to know how to fit one, and no one, (I do mean no one) has given one synapse worth of thought as to what role it could possibly have aside from filling out an inventory that looked a bit thin in the destroyer column. Err... hi, we have. It definitely has a role, it actually has a variety of roles, and I know exactly how to fit one. It's actually quite versatile if you do it right. Just don't undock an unplated one in Jita.... In my experience so far, what it's absolutely best at is knocking off assault frigates. The cost in isk is irrelevant. The payout in sheer enjoyment is worth it. Oh, I see. It has many roles. Right. Imagine a destroyer killing a frigate...or "destroying" one...a role. Cost in ISK is always relevant. First rule of warfare, cost effectiveness. The one-cent solution to the ten billion dollar bomb = victory.
First rule of fun: enjoy yourself. I'm playing a video game, not waging war.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6218
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:43:33 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you can guess how i plan to fit mine i played with them on sisi and had had alot of fun with it
Sent you and Kaarous my fit already for inspiration. I've updated it since then but that's where I started.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9123
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:43:53 -
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[Confessor, high sec explorer from hell] Damage Control II Coreli B-Type Small Armor Repairer Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Heat Sink II
Shadow Serpentis 1MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II Small Anti-Explosive Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Can do ANY combat exploration content found in high sec, even laughs at Blood Raider cruiser neuts. I don't fly anything else now. |
Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:55:08 -
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The modes don't really make it tactical. They act more like a free inbuilt module. Fits typically capitalise on one mode and disregard the other.
Don't think tac destros fill their role. They are just souped up T1 destros with less training time than dictors. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7063
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Posted - 2014.12.17 14:56:34 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:The modes don't really make it tactical....
Don't think tac destros fill their role.
So what should they be doing?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
6218
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Posted - 2014.12.17 15:02:48 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:The modes don't really make it tactical. They act more like a free inbuilt module. Fits typically capitalise on one mode and disregard the other.
Don't think tac destros fill their role. They are just souped up T1 destros with less training time than dictors.
Sure they do. On my fit, I have made use of all modes for many varied circumstances. The majority of losses on zkill seem to be attempts to kite with it, capitalising on speed and sharpshooter, but wasting its defence bonus and really only serving a very limited purpose. Some of them are just plain stupid - one of them is an awox, lost to a neuting nereus, which I found quite hilarious. Anyway, those losses aren't really reflective of what it's capable of. Did I mention it permatanks lowsec gate guns? And a plate buffer fit can reach up to 30K ehp?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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DaReaper
Net 7
1449
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Posted - 2014.12.17 18:26:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:[Confessor, high sec explorer from hell] Damage Control II Coreli B-Type Small Armor Repairer Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Heat Sink II
Shadow Serpentis 1MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II Small Anti-Explosive Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Can do ANY combat exploration content found in high sec, even laughs at Blood Raider cruiser neuts. I don't fly anything else now.
could it tank maybe some of the shattered wh frig holes? I have a 3 run BPC I can't quite build yet (missing reactions and a few days shy of the skill) so was tempted to give it to an alt to use for frig holes.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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DaReaper
Net 7
1449
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Posted - 2014.12.17 18:27:23 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Arla Sarain wrote:The modes don't really make it tactical. They act more like a free inbuilt module. Fits typically capitalise on one mode and disregard the other.
Don't think tac destros fill their role. They are just souped up T1 destros with less training time than dictors. Sure they do. On my fit, I have made use of all modes for many varied circumstances. The majority of losses on zkill seem to be attempts to kite with it, capitalising on speed and sharpshooter, but wasting its defence bonus and really only serving a very limited purpose. Some of them are just plain stupid - one of them is an awox, lost to a neuting nereus, which I found quite hilarious. Anyway, those losses aren't really reflective of what it's capable of. Did I mention it permatanks lowsec gate guns? And a plate buffer fit can reach up to 30K ehp?
I'd like to see your fit if you want to share. you can eve mail it.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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