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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2015.01.13 22:44:14 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Okay, first major update just edited into the OP.
Major changes:
We're going to go with a lighter resist profile than originally described, setting all eight recons at the former combat recon resist profile. While we still like the goal of making them more fleet viable, their tank was one of their only stand-out weaknesses and we felt that removing it could make them oppressive at smaller scales. To compensate somewhat we've trimmed 5 more sig radius of each ship. With the Pilgrim we decided to split the difference between neut range and strength by wrapping both into one bonus. The amounts will be smaller than either of the singular bonuses but this should do a nice job of giving more engagement range flexibility while still allowing for plenty of cap pressure. We are going to move one high slot on the Lachesis to a low slot, making armor slightly more viable while still preserving room in the mids for damps as well as long range warp disruption. The damage potential for the Lach is still on par with other combat recons even without the fifth high so we feel this fits better than giving up a mid. The Rook is getting a little more PG fitting room and trading the 5% HAM/HML rate of fire bonus for a 7.5% kinetic missile damage bonus. This is typical Kaalakiota bonus, gives the same number of effective launchers, and favors RLML over the rate of fire bonus. Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments. Have a great Christmas o/ Ok PG for the rook.. but what is the FIT in your mind for the Huggin? witht hatlimtied PG. And do nto tell me you expect a ship with 40 km webs to use medium AC.
CCP really just needs to reduce arty fitting. Every ship needs more grid to fit artillery and be viable. If they reduced fitting, then current huginn PG might work with a single PG mod.
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Lug Muad'Dib
Wise Humans Sword
34
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:11:43 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Okay, first major update just edited into the OP.
Major changes:
We're going to go with a lighter resist profile than originally described, setting all eight recons at the former combat recon resist profile. While we still like the goal of making them more fleet viable, their tank was one of their only stand-out weaknesses and we felt that removing it could make them oppressive at smaller scales. To compensate somewhat we've trimmed 5 more sig radius of each ship. With the Pilgrim we decided to split the difference between neut range and strength by wrapping both into one bonus. The amounts will be smaller than either of the singular bonuses but this should do a nice job of giving more engagement range flexibility while still allowing for plenty of cap pressure. We are going to move one high slot on the Lachesis to a low slot, making armor slightly more viable while still preserving room in the mids for damps as well as long range warp disruption. The damage potential for the Lach is still on par with other combat recons even without the fifth high so we feel this fits better than giving up a mid. The Rook is getting a little more PG fitting room and trading the 5% HAM/HML rate of fire bonus for a 7.5% kinetic missile damage bonus. This is typical Kaalakiota bonus, gives the same number of effective launchers, and favors RLML over the rate of fire bonus. Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments. Have a great Christmas o/ Ok PG for the rook.. but what is the FIT in your mind for the Huggin? witht hatlimtied PG. And do nto tell me you expect a ship with 40 km webs to use medium AC. CCP really just needs to reduce arty fitting. Every ship needs more grid to fit artillery and be viable. If they reduced fitting, then current huginn PG might work with a single PG mod.
No, recon ship are primary support ship, not solo "lol dscan" pownmobile.
D-Scan immunity is dumb.
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Celestia Via
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.01.14 00:02:48 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:
You don't stay at the warp-in point of any PVE site or ore belt or whatever in this game if you want to live.
When a Suddenly Curse (why Curse, who gives a **** about Curses?), I mean Suddenly Lachesis lands in your room, you are 90km away from the warp in point, lol at him in local and warp out.
If by PvE site you mean belt rats that could be good advice. On sleeper sites however you kinda have to do it their way, or am I supposed to crack my whip and herd the sleepers to a location of my convenience like a true cowboy?
Also, Lachesis is a terrible name for a ship who the hell flies such a terribly named ship? I am ashamed for them. |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2015.01.14 00:30:20 -
[2284] - Quote
Lug Muad'Dib wrote:Stitch Kaneland wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Okay, first major update just edited into the OP.
Major changes:
We're going to go with a lighter resist profile than originally described, setting all eight recons at the former combat recon resist profile. While we still like the goal of making them more fleet viable, their tank was one of their only stand-out weaknesses and we felt that removing it could make them oppressive at smaller scales. To compensate somewhat we've trimmed 5 more sig radius of each ship. With the Pilgrim we decided to split the difference between neut range and strength by wrapping both into one bonus. The amounts will be smaller than either of the singular bonuses but this should do a nice job of giving more engagement range flexibility while still allowing for plenty of cap pressure. We are going to move one high slot on the Lachesis to a low slot, making armor slightly more viable while still preserving room in the mids for damps as well as long range warp disruption. The damage potential for the Lach is still on par with other combat recons even without the fifth high so we feel this fits better than giving up a mid. The Rook is getting a little more PG fitting room and trading the 5% HAM/HML rate of fire bonus for a 7.5% kinetic missile damage bonus. This is typical Kaalakiota bonus, gives the same number of effective launchers, and favors RLML over the rate of fire bonus. Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments. Have a great Christmas o/ Ok PG for the rook.. but what is the FIT in your mind for the Huggin? witht hatlimtied PG. And do nto tell me you expect a ship with 40 km webs to use medium AC. CCP really just needs to reduce arty fitting. Every ship needs more grid to fit artillery and be viable. If they reduced fitting, then current huginn PG might work with a single PG mod. No, recon ship are primary support ship, not solo "lol dscan" pownmobile.
Then why name them COMBAT recons if you dont intend to apply some form of dps? Why choose a huginn over a rapier? Same slot layout, same resists, and rapier can use missiles, no fitting problem there. It will literally nuke any frig it catches with RLML and then vanish.
Arty is what makes sense as the supporting weapon, since it synergizes with the web range. Youll probably get 280ish dps with a hi gank arty fit, with below 20k Ehp most likely. the rail lach wont have that issue, and its scram/damp bonus is far worse than the huginn. Itll have superb range, tracking and defense through EWAR. So it might be more favored to solo with.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
1087
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Posted - 2015.01.14 03:34:36 -
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Any plans on increasing HM damage application so the Rook can actually be useful. We only get 2 rig slots on it, and stand lose 50% damage just through application because you made HMs ****. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
218
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Posted - 2015.01.14 04:16:37 -
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Proteus is live and the Combat Recons are DSCAN immune. Has Eve been ruined? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3109
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Posted - 2015.01.14 04:28:50 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote:Proteus is live and the Combat Recons are DSCAN immune. Has Eve been ruined?
well, we just tried to fight two combat recons with two combat recons but we could not find each other for 20mins.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1869
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Posted - 2015.01.14 05:07:06 -
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If only people had pushed CCP to give them a probe launcher fitting bonus so they could 'recon' without utterly ruining the rest of their fit...... Then you could have probed each other. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin Point Blank Alliance
5
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Posted - 2015.01.14 06:00:33 -
[2289] - Quote
I've come to the conclusion that we should make the arazu roden and make the lach creodron. I mean who doesn't want a lachtar? |
TuCZnak
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
24
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Posted - 2015.01.14 07:11:40 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:If only people had pushed CCP to give them a probe launcher fitting bonus so they could 'recon' without utterly ruining the rest of their fit...... Then you could have probed each other. If only devs didn't stop reading this thread weeks ago without considering most of the feedback here... |
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
190
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Posted - 2015.01.14 07:35:42 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:If only people had pushed CCP to give them a probe launcher fitting bonus so they could 'recon' without utterly ruining the rest of their fit...... Then you could have probed each other. Sit without moving in d-scannles ship, to probe for a fight with ships that don't show on d-scan and also sit still. Probing without d-scan...sweet summer childs. You may find pve pilots that way or pilots that want to be find. Whole idea on d-scann immunity would be crap, wouldn't it? People want to fight and can't find themselfs
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment
91
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Posted - 2015.01.14 10:38:22 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote:Proteus is live and the Combat Recons are DSCAN immune. Has Eve been ruined? Nobody said EvE would be ruined as a whole.
On the other hand, it took me like 5 minutes after login to farm the first guy who dared to warp to a plex in his cruiser. Not a lot he could do after landing on grid, being pointed and neuted. https://zkillboard.com/kill/43843780/
Spoke with other guys who tried the same and its hilarious what an easy meatgrinder CCP gave us pirates. Thanks a lot for buffing us gankers and showing the finger to every Beginner who cannot afford to bring a Probing-Alt to before making any step in Lowsec. Well done.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
190
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Posted - 2015.01.14 10:44:51 -
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Syzygium wrote:Spoke with other guys who tried the same and its hilarious what an easy meatgrinder CCP gave us pirates. Thanks a lot for buffing us gankers and showing the finger to every Beginner who cannot afford to bring a Probing-Alt to before making any step in Lowsec. Well done. As i thought and was easy predicted. Those ships will be ganking monsters. Game of alts incoming, just the oppossite what Rise wanted to do.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Apocalypse Solar
Nova Solar Industries Inc.
8
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Posted - 2015.01.14 11:13:46 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:As i thought and was easy predicted. Those ships will be ganking monsters. Game of alts incoming, just the oppossite what Rise wanted to do.
I think anyone with half a brain knew how this d-scan immunity idea would turn out, clearly CCP did not think this one through fully.
Speaking as a player who does not engage in much small gang or fleet activity ... the real problem with this is not many solo ships can run expanded probe launcher without severely gimping their fits.
Some saw this as a threat to their playstyle (Solo Plexers in FW for example), but there were others who could see the ridiculous ganking potential of a d-scan invisible ship and were rubbing their hands with glee in anticipation.
Most of this feedback has been largely ignored.
In FW environments most combat is carried out by pilots in frigates / destroyers and occasionally cruiser hulls, so if you want to avoid a plex gank by a combat recon(s) you have to be extra cautious to get a visual when checking out a novice or small plex entrance, entering a medium is a huge risk unless you are suicidal, or already fit to counter combat recons.
Also due to plex rewards mechanics people do not usually blob cap FW plexes, unless they specifically intend to do so.
Anyway, what is clear is that this is a definite nerf to solo play styles, and does not really affect those who have a group centric play style.
I am pretty sure the (un)intended side effect of this change will be more alt prober accounts, and CCP knew that was always a possibility and pushed ahead with the idea.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
190
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Posted - 2015.01.14 11:45:13 -
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Apocalypse Solar wrote:I am pretty sure the (un)intended side effect of this change will be more alt prober accounts, and CCP knew that was always a possibility and pushed ahead with the idea. It's quite the oppossite what Rise want to achieve. All those: ppl have too much intel, they don't jump into fight if they know to much etc. What we will have now? People will be training more alts to get even more intel. Frankly, if you need more than one ingame character to play this game effectively it's insane. There are no all in one ships in these game and expanded launcher eat high amount of ships fitting resources. Now we will possibly have ban for recons in FW.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Celestia Via
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.01.14 12:10:43 -
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Alt probing account is a solution? Does it keep me safe while fighting c3 sites solo?
It takes less time for an experienced assailant to find me and warp to the site than the actual scan time of the probe, let alone alt-tabbing while fighting sleepers. How often can I combat scan while dual boxing?
And what about the actual me, who cant afford a second account? Oh, I know! lets just go back to highsec, dock and run missions! And since all solo wh and lowsec plex activity will drop to nothing soon, gankers will be running out of easy targets. Lets make combat recons immune to CONCORD as well, so they can gank in highsec missions! That will be fun!
Sorry about all the irony above but it really gets to me, how stupidly unfair the dscan immunity is.
Syzygium wrote:On the other hand, it took me like 5 minutes after login to farm the first guy who dared to warp to a plex in his cruiser. Not a lot he could do after landing on grid, being pointed and neuted. https://zkillboard.com/kill/43843780/ Spoke with other guys who tried the same and its hilarious what an easy meatgrinder CCP gave us pirates. Thanks a lot for buffing us gankers and showing the finger to every Beginner who cannot afford to bring a Probing-Alt to before making any step in Lowsec. Well done.
Even the pirates themselves admit it, at least the ones who actually have a sense of fairness and arent in it just for the "wtfpwnzrz" laughs. |
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
31
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Posted - 2015.01.14 13:55:10 -
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Celestia Via wrote:Alt probing account is a solution? Does it keep me safe while fighting c3 sites solo? It takes less time for an experienced assailant to find me and warp to the site than the actual scan time of the probe, let alone alt-tabbing while fighting sleepers. How often can I combat scan while dual boxing? And what about the actual me, who cant afford a second account? Oh, I know! lets just go back to highsec, dock and run missions! And since all solo wh and lowsec plex activity will drop to nothing soon, gankers will be running out of easy targets. Lets make combat recons immune to CONCORD as well, so they can gank in highsec missions! That will be fun! Sorry about all the irony above but it really gets to me, how stupidly unfair the dscan immunity is. Syzygium wrote:On the other hand, it took me like 5 minutes after login to farm the first guy who dared to warp to a plex in his cruiser. Not a lot he could do after landing on grid, being pointed and neuted. https://zkillboard.com/kill/43843780/ Spoke with other guys who tried the same and its hilarious what an easy meatgrinder CCP gave us pirates. Thanks a lot for buffing us gankers and showing the finger to every Beginner who cannot afford to bring a Probing-Alt to before making any step in Lowsec. Well done. Even the pirates themselves admit it, at least the ones who actually have a sense of fairness and arent in it just for the "wtfpwnzrz" laughs.
/wave, its an awesome tool now. That dscan immunity makes it op for that kind of work. I still feel that its a totally unnecessary buff to the combat recons. Hell, my shield fit lach is friggin cap stable with invul/em ward, mwd, long point and damp running, and last long enough with 4 250 shooting too. Haven't tested with longer range ammo yet, which uses less cap. But a (nearly) cap stable 43k ehp, 1800m/s, 300 dps ship is good enough allready. It really doesnt need the ganking gimmick... |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3123
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Posted - 2015.01.14 19:42:14 -
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medium plexes http://i.imgur.com/eLQUuWo.png
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
191
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Posted - 2015.01.14 20:06:04 -
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we told you Rise.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
1091
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Posted - 2015.01.14 20:23:20 -
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RIP in Peace FW. |
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2015.01.14 20:47:36 -
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Note to self. Do not warp into medium plexes when Bienator is in local.
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Catherine Laartii
State Protectorate Caldari State
461
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Posted - 2015.01.14 21:13:07 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote: we told you Rise. Solution: mob the **** out of them with a frig fleet and shower yourself and your buds with expensive killmails. Just be sure to send the right guys in beforehand to get point... |
Syzygium
Friends Of Harassment
93
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Posted - 2015.01.14 21:37:17 -
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Catherine Laartii wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote: we told you Rise. Solution: mob the **** out of them with a frig fleet and shower yourself and your buds with expensive killmails. Just be sure to send the right guys in beforehand to get point... What *exactly* is your idea for warping into that plex that can tackle one of these Recons long enough for your support to arrive while being neuted, jammed, damped and webbed?
A triple-ECCMed, triple-Sensorboosted, dualcapboosted, dual 1600mm plated, 100MN AB Cynabal maybe?
Oh wait... there could be a medslot/powergid problem.
On the other hand, what again was your solution for the SOLO (!!!!!!!!!!) beginner who wants to join LowSec FW in his first Frig/Destroyer/Cruiser? Ah wait...: "Don't do FW in Lowsec until you can come with a 10+ Gang!"
Yeah thats a great idea, because the concept of "just bring the blob" is what everyone out there wants and needs for having a fun time in Blob Online... |
Lug Muad'Dib
Wise Humans Sword
34
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:22:41 -
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stupid as intended..
D-Scan immunity is dumb.
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Lvzbel Ixtab
Mayhem Devolved
48
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:18:34 -
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Lug Muad'Dib wrote:stupid as intended..
How is this a good mechanic?
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43873567/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/43873581/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/43873587/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/43873620/
GG FW |
Thorin Matarielle
Shirak SkunkWorks
12
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:46:49 -
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They were looking for gank. Ran away of our 2 cruisers. Then we follow them to the next system. They ran again. As much as i like Recons i have to say, i dont like this feature. |
Dani Maulerant
Order of the Valkyrie LOADED-DICE
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:46:52 -
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At this point, how about we just use this thread now to post the KM's or at least name characters known to pull this BS, killing solo/FW, and all us sensible people can then add them to a 'dont-warp-to--any-plex-if-in-local' listing. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
799
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:49:37 -
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How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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Dani Maulerant
Order of the Valkyrie LOADED-DICE
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:54:42 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship?
Cloak hulls have a targeting delay. D-scan immune are inta-lock soon as you make visual contact with it. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
799
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Posted - 2015.01.15 01:01:30 -
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Dani Maulerant wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:How is it any different if they had a Falcon? Or any other cloaked ship? Cloak hulls have a targeting delay. D-scan immune are inta-lock soon as you make visual contact with it.
He's using a Curse and a Dragoon. Presumably these poor souls are warping in thinking they will be fighting just a Dragoon. When they land, there is also a Curse there. Still not much different if he had any other cloaked ship present.
As for the lack of decloaking delay - he could achieve the same effect by decloaking the cloaky as soon as you appear on close d-scan. By the time you land, the cloaking delay would be gone.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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