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Erani Daern
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:57:13 -
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Hello Eve!
While I've had this account for about year, the furthest I've gone was finish through the first rounds of quests and about 3/4th of the way through the SoE questline (...last June...). With my crazy life schedule, I don't have the time Corps prefer to effectively play with others. I did my research, fiddled around and decided that Exploration and Trading were my go-to fun adventures. Since I'm torn which I prefer, I figured I'd train both characters at the same time while I'm on christmas break.
With that in mind, I'm itching to do some exploration of the low and null sec regions, without getting blasted to bits (though I expect it). What's a great way to go about this? And where I wouldn't be losing more than a few million ISK every time I get ganked?
Alternatively, while I'm enjoying the station trading I'm doing right now (plexed some ISK, started tinkering to feel things out), eventually I'm going to want to take the trading to a point where I want to haul items between one station to the next. What's the preferred type of ship for things like this?
And while I have your attention -- Any tips on what to avoid in my bumblings through the art of trading? |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:12:25 -
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Erani Daern wrote: With that in mind, I'm itching to do some exploration of the low and null sec regions, without getting blasted to bits (though I expect it). What's a great way to go about this? And where I wouldn't be losing more than a few million ISK every time I get ganked?
Buzzard / Covert OPs ships. Alternatively an astero if you do not have the skills.
Erani Daern wrote: Alternatively, while I'm enjoying the station trading I'm doing right now (plexed some ISK, started tinkering to feel things out), eventually I'm going to want to take the trading to a point where I want to haul items between one station to the next. What's the preferred type of ship for things like this?
This depends on the m3 amount. Large amounts of m3 will require a freighter or something along those lines. Smaller m3, transport ships and just a simple hauler. Transport ships are great due to the warp speed + cloak.
Erani Daern wrote:Any tips on what to avoid in my bumblings through the art of trading?
No. Fiddle with it until you figure it out. |
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:24:35 -
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Erani Daern wrote: Any tips on what to avoid in my bumblings through the art of trading?
Read up on various trade scams like the Margin Trade Scam. It will save you some headache once you know how to spot them.
Hauling really depends on how much you intend to haul. You want to keep the value of your cargo low comparatively with the type of ship you fly. Hauling 500mil isk of stuff in an Iteron V is death waiting to happen.
On the small end (less than say 10k m3): Use a Viator. Cloaky, and has a very quick align/warp time. It's also immune to cargo scanners. This is at once both an advantage and a risk. Some people like to take the gamble and just pop a ship like that in hopes that they've chosen one carrying valuable stuff.
Next step up, in my opinion, would be an Orca. decent amount of hauling space, ship maint bay, and if you skill right you can fit a 100mn Microwarp drive on it and essentially be from 0 to warp in about 10 seconds. Again, no guarantee you'll get away, but it makes travel that much faster.
Largest is the freighters. Generally don't want to carry more than a billion isk worth of cargo, but CODE and other monkeys will gank you even if you are empty when they are in the mood.
Another option is to make enough money trading that you can hire a freight company to move stuff for you.
Profit favors the prepared
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:25:08 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Erani Daern wrote: With that in mind, I'm itching to do some exploration of the low and null sec regions, without getting blasted to bits (though I expect it). What's a great way to go about this? And where I wouldn't be losing more than a few million ISK every time I get ganked?
Buzzard / Covert OPs ships. Alternatively an astero if you do not have the skills. Erani Daern wrote: Alternatively, while I'm enjoying the station trading I'm doing right now (plexed some ISK, started tinkering to feel things out), eventually I'm going to want to take the trading to a point where I want to haul items between one station to the next. What's the preferred type of ship for things like this?
This depends on the m3 amount. Large amounts of m3 will require a freighter or something along those lines. Smaller m3, transport ships and just a simple hauler. Transport ships are great due to the warp speed + cloak. Erani Daern wrote:Any tips on what to avoid in my bumblings through the art of trading? No. Fiddle with it until you figure it out.
As above.
But to the last:
1. If you see market orders that look to good to be true...they are. They are likely a scam, most likely of the margin trading kind.
2. Take note not only of price difference but also of quantity shifted. Nothing good about going for that 1 item that trades hands once monthly with a 500 mil margin over something that shifts 1000 times in the same month with a 1 mil margin.
3. When you are hauling...all eggs, don't use 1 basket. Don't make your ships targets by expensive cargo. Take note of gank spots and know how to minimize risks (like outsourcing stuff to Red Frog if needed).
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:29:17 -
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Your problem in null will be bubbles on the way in and only Interceptors are immune. If there are no bubbles covops capable ships survive well, particularly in losec, if you have the ISK.
If you do not have the ISK look up the "MWD/Cloak trick" and take a T1 scanning frigate with warp stabs.
The most versatile industrials to train up are Gallante with specialist ships for ore minerals and PI goods. Do not carry more than 50 - 100 mill stuff in one or you will get ganked. Deep Space Transports are a good high sec option and can carry about 60,000 m3 . The other popular highsec transport option is an Orca but that needs substantial mining skills as ti is really a mining ship.
Freighters will not pay for themselves unless you use them all day everyday, you need to do a lot of trips to justify the billions they cost. Unless you are doing serious hauling yu are better off contracting big jobs to a haulage corp like Red Frog Freight. Alternatively - if you buy a freighter consdider working for Red Frog to help pay it off :D
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:30:31 -
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Just on the trading :
* Learn how to read Market History table view. There was an article on mittani.com a few months ago that explained this very well with examples
* Learn how different aspects of the game work, mining, exploration, mission running, FW PvP, ganking, null sec doctrines. The more you know about all aspects of the game the better you will understand dependencies and synergies
* Patience
On ships for traders :
* the safest way of transporting stuff is to pay someone else to take the risks. Red Frog, Push Industries or indy haulers
* if you want to move stuff yourself, learn how ganking works and how to spot ship scanners, and choose routes that don't follow the autopilot amongst other things.
Some ships to consider (there isn't a best option, just better or worse in different circumstances) : I like bait Drakes and DSTs. Other people like nano-ed interceptors, brick tanked Proteus, triple plated typhoons and abaddons (not so useful since the warp speed changes), Blockade Runners and so on. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2014.12.19 02:34:46 -
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The #1 tip I have to an aspiring trader is to learn what aspects of trading are highly profitable and what aspects are not, and get useful idiots to do the less profitable parts for you. Hauling is not profitable, unless it is extremely time critical (e.g. "I need 30000 Photon Microprocessors at Amarr RIGHT NOW because they are 35% more expensive than Jita price and if I miss this opportunity it won't come back").
Remember - haulers are only useful idiots if you are putting them to work for you. Without that, they become mere useless idiots, and you wouldn't want to relegate anyone to that status would you?
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1235
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Posted - 2014.12.19 02:55:19 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:The #1 tip I have to an aspiring trader is to learn what aspects of trading are highly profitable and what aspects are not, and get useful idiots to do the less profitable parts for you. Hauling is not profitable, unless it is extremely time critical (e.g. "I need 30000 Photon Microprocessors at Amarr RIGHT NOW because they are 35% more expensive than Jita price and if I miss this opportunity it won't come back").
Remember - haulers are only useful idiots if you are putting them to work for you. Without that, they become mere useless idiots, and you wouldn't want to relegate anyone to that status would you?
To find those 35% more expensive deals the EVE Central trade tool is handy.
Just remember people scam and manipulate the market with tools like that in mind. A 35% discrepancy between Amarr and Jita (considering how close they are) may be legit but it should still ring alarm bells to triple check for a scam first. (A 35% discrepancy between Hek and Jita on the other hand is almost normal.)
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Davey Talvanen
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.22 00:33:04 -
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If you join a large null-sec alliance then you could in theory station trade in null whilst being able to explore out there |
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