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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:33:23 -
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no one does crap in low sec, there needs to be more reason to do it.
probe sites are good if you can find them, with this recon thing, its going to murder low sec.
make low sec profitable as it is dangerous!!!
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1408
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:35:20 -
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make those rocks enticing!!!!
no one there, there needs to be reasons for high sec folk to venture out there.
fw was a nice idea, but realistically its not easy and people need an incentive.
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Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:36:28 -
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it's only dangerous if someone comes to shoot you and that only happens if you're at a belt/gate/station/planet/anything that's warpable and people will never mine in low sec no matter what you do to it they'll always be ganked before they can get enough ore to make up for the cost of the ship. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:45:19 -
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if you make those rocks very very profitable people WILL come
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HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:48:04 -
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If you make those rocks very profitable null will mine them and low won't. I say this both as a low miner and a hunter of low miners. |
Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
150
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Posted - 2014.12.19 11:50:06 -
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it'd have to be in the millions per cycle of the mining lasers but they'd probably get blown up on the way to the rocks leaving high sec... are you just after killing more miners now that you've got no more minmatar to kill? |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
722
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:35:11 -
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Whatever feeble pulse low sec mining had will be snuffed out by the recon d-scan immunity. You'll be docking every time local changes. Although mining in a D-scan immune recon may be the way to go.
(Pro tip - dive a wh and mine there. ABC ores and a lower chance of getting ganked - you'll pay for your ship and pod many times over compared to getting ganked losses) |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
1081
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Posted - 2014.12.19 13:35:17 -
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This topic screams "I want more easy kills" because the game's population has forgotten how to fight opponents that fight back. There's already a lot of incentives in Low sec, just the kill focused behavior instead of cooperation focused behavior keeps potentially interested people out of there.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
255
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:11:48 -
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Safer to mine in lowsec than hisec
literally dozens of deserted systems in Amarr space
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chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
168
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Posted - 2014.12.19 14:16:03 -
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Honestly I don't believe you could buff ore in low high enough while still being realistic about it. If you increase the potential profitability enough where miners want to mine there, you also increase risk by motivating ppl to steal their wealth.
IMO if you want ppl out there, the risk needs lowered.
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Master Sergeant MacRobert
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
164
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:01:27 -
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What I would like to see considered is a combat / mining hybrid ship.
One that can at least tank and tackle (despite being slower) so backup can come finish off the enemy.
Although I have seen the odd fella trying to PVP in mining barges so maybe the last buff was supposed to be just this.
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HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
291
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:06:39 -
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Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote:One that can at least tank and tackle (despite being slower) so backup can come finish off the enemy. Pre-buff procurers killed bombers, post buff they can kill cruisers. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:07:09 -
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Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote:What I would like to see considered is a combat / mining hybrid ship.
One that can at least tank and tackle (despite being slower) so backup can come finish off the enemy.
Although I have seen the odd fella trying to PVP in mining barges so maybe the last buff was supposed to be just this. A tank-fit skiff is pretty sturdy already.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.02 13:18:37 -
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Nobody mines in lowsec because the same ore is fairly abundant in highsec. To buff lowsec ore: remove lowsec ores from highsec, and nerf the nocxium output of pyroxeres.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
881
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Posted - 2015.01.02 13:26:49 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Nobody mines in lowsec because the same ore is fairly abundant in highsec. To buff lowsec ore: remove lowsec ores from highsec, and nerf the nocxium output of pyroxeres.
Moving more ore to losec would simply hand all mineral production to the largest groups who can control the area. No small group or solo player would ever get a look in. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
754
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Posted - 2015.01.02 14:01:51 -
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Just join Test. Isn't that obvious?? |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
678
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Posted - 2015.01.02 14:17:15 -
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I don't believe buffing the ore in LowSec would make any difference.
Almost any miner willing to take the type of risks required to mine in LowSec can do a simple risk/benefit analysis which will tell them that joining a renter corp out in Null will make them far better ISK/hr for considerably less risk and effort.
That aside why the interest in getting miners into LowSec? While I can understand the desire for low hanging fruit would it not be more interesting and worthwhile to encourage targets that actually shoot back and are a challenge?
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
755
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Posted - 2015.01.02 14:42:39 -
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I don't think the OP's incentive was to be able to gank exhumers. Check his kb. He's just looking to get more folks out into low sec.
I think space renting is becoming a thing of the past. There are quite a few folks that just quit paying. They closed there eyes and waited for the hammer to fall on them. Then they waited some more. And some more. My point? If you do decide to go to null, don't join a chump renter group. There are more and more real corps starting to carve out their own space. I can only imagine how the CEO who pays the last rent check will feel when he realises he's 'that guy'.
I think low sec is going to pick up in activity somewhat w/ the fatigue stuff settling in. (HOPEFULLY) CCP will realize the error of their ways in giving all the logistics ships reduced fatigue and wonk jump freighters just as hard as they did for combat capitals. Once this happens, the pipes will once again support both proper pirating and escorting of logistics fleets.
LS doesn't have a real purpose because all the good stuff gets cyno'd past it. How wonderful the game will be when risk averse pansy pants nullbears can't jump from the safety of HS to the safety of their cyno jammed home system via station docking rings. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
720
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Posted - 2015.01.02 15:52:37 -
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Remove barges, skills, and anything associated with production while seeding ships....problem solved. Who gives a rats ass about the most boring thing since Mine Sweeper while piloting the worst damn ship in the game that should purposely have its tank reduced to 100 hitpoints with zero fittings (all barges/exhumers) and a skill point loss similar to T3 (and twice the penalty as well) to teach them to not train for the stupid thing. Either suggestion solves the mining issue, worst thing in EVE and cannot believe how many stupid sheep cattle newbies first thing is to train for it. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:19:10 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:no one does crap in low sec, there needs to be more reason to do it.
probe sites are good if you can find them, with this recon thing, its going to murder low sec.
make low sec profitable as it is dangerous!!!
From what you're saying it sounds like the quality of the ore isn't the problem, it's securing the miner.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
1002
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Posted - 2015.01.02 22:04:05 -
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Malcanis wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:no one does crap in low sec, there needs to be more reason to do it.
probe sites are good if you can find them, with this recon thing, its going to murder low sec.
make low sec profitable as it is dangerous!!! From what you're saying it sounds like the quality of the ore isn't the problem, it's securing the miner.
Nope its the quality of the Ore that is the problem. LS Ore is the least profitable on the market and as such there is no incentive to fish it out. Without incentive for being there, of course it seems less secure.
NS and LS need to swap Ore and Moon Mineral seeding. Then people will live in LS.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
1103
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Posted - 2015.01.02 22:24:42 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: Nope its the quality of the Ore that is the problem. LS Ore is the least profitable on the market and as such there is no incentive to fish it out. Without incentive for being there, of course it seems less secure.
NS and LS need to swap Ore and Moon Mineral seeding. Then people will live in LS.
Not sure where you are looking, but LS Ore is certainly not the least valuable ore in the game. Quite the contrast, Null ores are a lot less valuable than LS ores.
And on the moon mineral stuff: Have a look into Aridia, my favorite region in the game. There's ton's of R64s, R32s and Cadmium moons. Do you see people living there? The only notable exceptions are Lowsechnaya and some pirates in Sakht. |
Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2015.01.02 23:11:44 -
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The rewards in low sec are OK (so many anoms, special 15m tags dropped by rats, not bad ore, PI is OK, usable moon goo, et al), it's that nobody has an incentive to hold and defend it. If CCP introduced some kind of "Viceroy" role, whereby player corps could "own" stations (the controlling faction still technically owns it, but the viceroy runs it - sets taxes and so on) - or at least the profit they generate from various activities, then that would be a different matter.
There are quite a few players who quite like skulking around in low sec though, and actually it's not a bad filling to the null-sec/high-sec sandwich we have at the moment. I would say it's less of a sand pit than high sec whilst at the same time not requiring the same commitment as null sec.
Of course if you want the low sec experience in null sec you just have to go to NPC null. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1855
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Posted - 2015.01.02 23:23:02 -
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While Low sec ores are actually the most valuable, they also appear in Null to be cherry picked from static belts by Null Miners with a brain. However making them 'more valuable' simply wouldn't work. ABC ores are technically 'more valuable', people flooded to the valuable ores, glutted the market and it crashed.
The market will self correct when it comes to mining. |
Milton Middleson
Scrap Metal Squadron
558
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Posted - 2015.01.02 23:51:53 -
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Low sec, where it is not simply dead, is an violent area where there is a high volume of hostile traffic and securing space is extremely difficult.
Miining is a low income activity that relies heavily on security and the ability mine uninterrupted for long periods of time. Even if you can reliably escape hunters, you're still losing income from the time spent hiding. Mining as it stands is pretty much fundamentally unsuited to lowsec as it stands. It still happens, but not in large numbers and it's not going to draw a significant number of people. And then there's the market issue.
Future content in lowsec should draw inspiration from the concept, if not the mechanics, of FW i.e. stuff to do while you're out and about in a pvp ship. |
Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2015.01.03 13:27:12 -
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The ores in lowsec should be more valuable than anywhere else as it's the riskiest place to mine it. If that doesnt happen (or a d-scan immune mining ship) then mining in lowsec will still rarely happen
Nevyn Auscent wrote:While Low sec ores are actually the most valuable... Lol wut?
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HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
307
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Posted - 2015.01.03 13:41:10 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:While Low sec ores are actually the most valuable... Lol wut? Yes, until very recently Hedb was the top ore in the game. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
1064
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Posted - 2015.01.03 14:22:36 -
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Given the current state of affairs, the only way I see to make losec mining more common isn't to buff losec ores, it's to nerf hisec ones. As long as you can get all of the low-grade and mid-grade minerals from mining in hisec, losec has nothing to offer over null or WH space aside from decreased security. Hardly an attractive proposition.
I am not suggesting that CCP nerf hisec ores. That's another topic of discussion entirely and I don't want to derail this one (at least not too badly). I'm just saying that I think this is the only reason why losec mining on a large scale will likely never be profitable.
Serendipity Lost wrote:Whatever feeble pulse low sec mining had will be snuffed out by the recon d-scan immunity. You'll be docking every time local changes. Although mining in a D-scan immune recon may be the way to go.
(Pro tip - dive a wh and mine there. ABC ores and a lower chance of getting ganked - you'll pay for your ship and pod many times over compared to getting ganked losses) But the real question is would you make enough to pay for the Thanatos you owe me?
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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
1405
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Posted - 2015.01.03 14:45:16 -
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Until you can mine AFK in low sec without exploding, most miners will not mine there.
I ran a 14-character mining operation in a low sec system for hours at a time and never lost a single ship. All you have to do is play the game and not have it AFK minging while you do something else. Find a quiet system with lots of belts (I could name a few, but I'm not going to do the work for you) and then start mining. As long as you're watching local for your instant, 100% accurate, free intel, you will never be caught in the few seconds it takes to warp your ship/fleet to a POS/station.
Short of making miners invincible in low sec, you will never see mining be popular there. Too many people want automated risk-free income. |
Gregor Parud
830
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Posted - 2015.01.03 14:52:05 -
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Moving some of the basic "must have" ores to low sec would create a demand which in turn would create activity, opportunity and (after some time) groups and a form of teamwork/symbiosis that would revive low sec and at the same time favour and reward the bold miner capable of actively interacting with others.
It would be good for miners, pvpers, manufacturers and whatnot. |
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