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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:18:40 -
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2014 was an amazing and interesting year not only for game development but also for Team Security.
Check out the good work done by Team Security in 2014, see how we continue the fight against RMT and get reminded about our policy regarding input broadcasting and multiplexing in CCP Grimmi's latest dev blog Holidays Greetings From Team Security! - 2014 In Numbers.
Of course the blog contains also graphs!
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:28:03 -
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Neat! |
Bariolage
Control F9
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:28:45 -
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Only 42 isk in August? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:36:37 -
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bah! I want to see scales on both Axis of graphs!
Woo! CSM 9!
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:41:46 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:bah! I want to see scales on both Axis of graphs! the isk one is obviously trillions, no other scale would make sense |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:41:59 -
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That last graph with the value of ISK and assets seized. I'm pretty sure the y-axis scale is in trillions. I tweeted out over 3 billion in tears from people who had their freshly purchased ISK seized in July.
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Sarah Shadow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:44:46 -
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So to clarify a concern I know will be brought up, and older GM posts misquoted to justify.
I have a Logitech G105. I cannot use a keystroke of a macro key to engaging drones on a target , and generally we can only use them to rebind existing keys? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:45:38 -
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I have a support ticket open to ask whether binding a G-key on my Logitech to F1 through F8 for smartbombs is legal.
If the question can be answered publicly I can close the ticket, but more importantly it would get more exposure.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:45:57 -
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So, two obvious questions:
1. What happened in August!? 2. Can you give examples of what qualifies as GÇ£otherGÇ¥?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Bob Shaftoes
TURN LEFT The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:47:28 -
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Tippia wrote:So, two obvious questions:
1. What happened in August!? 2. Can you give examples of what qualifies as GÇ£otherGÇ¥?
1. Somer blink I am guessing.
And the scale has to be trillions
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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:47:49 -
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Silly question, why differentiate ISK Spammers from ISK Sellers? |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:51:47 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote:Silly question, why differentiate ISK Spammers from ISK Sellers? I presume the spammers are basically ad bots, that refer people that bite to the actual seller. When you nail a spammer you won't get much actual isk because the spammer assumes the account will get caught and it's not as big a deal as when you catch the actual seller. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Market and Contract PVP
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:00:56 -
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Very Cool!
I like charts and graphs!
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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:01:04 -
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So, if we assume, that ,without Somer getting banned, the ISK confiscated in August, would be around the monthly average of ~4 Tril., one could conclude, Somer lost around 38 trillion ISK.
With 800 mil. per PLEX and a PLEX being 20$, that's a total of 950.000 $
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:10:57 -
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Tippia wrote:So, two obvious questions:
1. What happened in August!? 2. Can you give examples of what qualifies as GÇ£otherGÇ¥?
1. It was quite an eventful month. We may delve deeper into this at next years fanfest. No spoilers, sorry! 2. There are a few different ban types grouped into "other" here - I'll mention some: CC Fraud, account sharing, account hacking and "repeated warnings or in-game violations" not covered under any of the other types of bans.
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:11:29 -
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Xenuria wrote:Very Cool!
I like charts and graphs!
Yeaah! So say we all.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:13:39 -
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Woohooo!!! Good job!
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:15:20 -
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Curious about one thing. Are you going to put the important parts of CCP Falcon's 15 November post in the Third Party Policies, ToS, or other official page connected to the EVE Online Rules of Conduct? Because I'm tired of all the space lawyers digging up posts for 2010 to justify their behavior. I'd love to just be able to say that all of the forum posts from before 1 January 2015 are outdated and no longer apply.
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:19:29 -
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I assume the chart is isk in Billions. 100 isk is....well i dont know if an NPC frigate in a 1.0 system is less than 1000 isk. |
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:22:17 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Dangeresque Too wrote:Silly question, why differentiate ISK Spammers from ISK Sellers? I presume the spammers are basically ad bots, that refer people that bite to the actual seller. When you nail a spammer you won't get much actual isk because the spammer assumes the account will get caught and it's not as big a deal as when you catch the actual seller.
Yep, this is more or less correct. "ISK Spammers" are in-game characters spamming chat, eve mails and whatnot with ISK Selling ads.
The "ISK Seller" bans are for accounts involved in selling of ISK - typically these will be distribution accounts, middle-men or suppliers. The graph is based on "ban types" which is what these accounts would see when attempting to log in. The "Macro Use" bans includes all macro bans; but this ban type in particular could be a graph of its own, as we differentiate between types of bots - RMT bots, player bots, chat spam bots (outside of the ISK Spamming field) and so forth.
It's also worth mentioning that we do not limit punishment to the offending account(s) - we take action against all accounts found to belong to the offender. This is a big reason not to share your accounts - your friend might buy some ISK or bot a little, and you could end up being guilty by association.
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:27:52 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Curious about one thing. Are you going to put the important parts of CCP Falcon's 25 November post in the Third Party Policies, ToS, or other official page connected to the EVE Online Rules of Conduct? Because I'm tired of all the space lawyers digging up posts for 2010 to justify their behavior. I'd love to just be able to say that all of the forum posts from before 1 January 2015 are outdated and no longer apply.
Yes absolutely. Reviewing our policy pages and providing a central location for all of these policies on our to-do list. No ETA, but we are working on it. I'd like an eveonline.com/security page, personally!
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:29:04 -
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Chribba wrote:Woohooo!!! Good job!
Cheers, Chribba! Right back at you!
CCP Peligro - Team Security
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:31:08 -
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Bariolage wrote:Only 42 isk in August?
"Six by nine. Forty two." "That's it. That's all there is." "I always thought something was fundamentally wrong with the universe."
CCP Peligro - Team Security
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:02:27 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:bah! I want to see scales on both Axis of graphs! Agreed. How can this be a "by the numbers" blog without numbers?
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:04:30 -
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since macro use is such a large part of the pie it would be interested to see a further breakdown. I guess input replication is not part of it since it is still legal till january?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:14:27 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:1. It was quite an eventful month. We may delve deeper into this at next years fanfest. No spoilers, sorry! 2. There are a few different ban types grouped into "other" here - I'll mention some: CC Fraud, account sharing, account hacking and "repeated warnings or in-game violations" not covered under any of the other types of bans.
Bah! Tease!
And ok, that makes sense. It seemed like a pretty huge chunk to be the kind of normal GÇ£minor issueGÇ¥ trashbin category, but if it includes all the silly things that can be done to an account and multi-violations, it would explain a lot.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:33:57 -
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I notice that, in the plots of bans and ISK confiscation, there is no general trend, either increasing or decreasing. That is, your efforts are keeping up with the violators, but nothing is happening to drive down the amount of rule breaking players do.
I have a feeling that most violators are new players that do not realize that what they are about to do will have consequences, that they will be caught. Many may not even know their actions are a violation. After all, how does a new player know it's illegal to bot? Read the EULA? Yeah, right, not many do that. Look at Dev blogs? In a month this one will be buried below several new ones.
Many other violators are players who know the rules, but think Team Security has stopped doing their job, so they can get away with it.
What you need to ask yourself: What are you doing to stop players from doing their first offense?
What is needed is deterrence. Deterrence not only reduces the amount of rule breaking, but also reduces the amount of business done by ISK sellers and bot writers. Reduce their income from Eve, and they may go elsewhere.
To be effective, deterrence needs to be overt, continuous, and persistent. I suggest that, on the launcher, there is always a little notice that says something like:
"Team Security report: Last month we handed out xx bans and confiscated yy trillion ISK for EULA violations."
No need to additional details, just give sufficient information that the players will always see you guys are on the job catching the bad guys.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.19 18:01:05 -
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Where it says: "There is not much more to say about this matter than is already stated in the post and we trust we'll not have any trouble with this after January 1st 2015." Does that mean the legitimate questions around the use of things like round robin/VFX which are still outstanding will simply not be answered?
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
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Posted - 2014.12.19 18:12:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Where it says: "There is not much more to say about this matter than is already stated in the post and we trust we'll not have any trouble with this after January 1st 2015." Does that mean the legitimate questions around the use of things like round robin/VFX which are still outstanding will simply not be answered?
According to this, if 2 or more actions are performed by 1 keystroke/mouseclick, that is considered stored keystrokes and violates the EULA. Like pressing an ISBoxer hotkey and having the software execute F1 plus whatever command is required to cycle to the next client. ISBoxer users will need to input 2 commands, not 1.
Don't ask me how CCP plans to enforce it; that's just what I got from CCP Random on Twitter.
Oh, and if anyone tries to use an old post from the forums saying that's okay, don't bother. Looks like any of those old responses will be considered "outdated" on 1 January 2015. Which quite frankly, I'm okay with. I've always hated having to reference old forum posts. I thought that was pretty stupid. In a couple of weeks, they are all outdated and we just need to go to the EULA, ToS, and policy pages.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2014.12.19 18:34:39 -
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Thanks Team Security for your continuous efforts at keeping the game fair for all, and happy holidays! |
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