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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:44:09 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Where it says: "There is not much more to say about this matter than is already stated in the post and we trust we'll not have any trouble with this after January 1st 2015." Does that mean the legitimate questions around the use of things like round robin/VFX which are still outstanding will simply not be answered? According to this, if 2 or more actions are performed by 1 keystroke/mouseclick, that is considered stored keystrokes and violates the EULA. Like pressing an ISBoxer hotkey and having the software execute F1 plus whatever command is required to cycle to the next client. ISBoxer users will need to input 2 commands, not 1. Don't ask me how CCP plans to enforce it; that's just what I got from CCP Random on Twitter. Oh, and if anyone tries to use an old post from the forums saying that's okay, don't bother. Looks like any of those old responses will be considered "outdated" on 1 January 2015. Which quite frankly, I'm okay with. I've always hated having to reference old forum posts. I thought that was pretty stupid. In a couple of weeks, they are all outdated and we just need to go to the EULA, ToS, and policy pages. Hmm, it does seem like a CCP statement would be good here. I've thought of the new rules as "One keystroke sends one command to one client". If that keystroke also tells your computer to switch to another client, that's OK, as it is not a command sent to the client, but to your computer.
But I'm not CCP.
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Thanneus Ikkala
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.12.19 22:08:10 -
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Where does this put users of EVE Mentat for the IGB market cache skimmer? This may be considered a macro. |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
128
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Posted - 2014.12.19 22:19:15 -
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Thanneus Ikkala wrote:Where does this put users of EVE Mentat for the IGB market cache skimmer? This may be considered a macro.
It should be if the cache scraper is continuously running with no user input. Hopefully the dev for EVE Mentat will do what the dev for EVE Central is doing and move to getting the market data from authCREST. That would eliminate the EULA violation beginning on 1 January 2015.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1397
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Posted - 2014.12.19 22:38:29 -
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Rosewalker wrote:According to this, if 2 or more actions are performed by 1 keystroke/mouseclick, that is considered stored keystrokes and violates the EULA. Like pressing an ISBoxer hotkey and having the software execute F1 plus whatever command is required to cycle to the next client. ISBoxer users will need to input 2 commands, not 1.
Hard to argue with, unless you're a Logitech rep.
+1 for the integrity of the game, though. Nice, simple, clear and fair.
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Hoeveer Parmala
Lego Legion Labs Legion of Immortal Corporations
6
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Posted - 2014.12.20 02:56:46 -
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Another statistic that might be interesting to see month to month is the mean time between first warning and perm-ban.
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
132
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Posted - 2014.12.20 05:13:51 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Rosewalker wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Where it says: "There is not much more to say about this matter than is already stated in the post and we trust we'll not have any trouble with this after January 1st 2015." Does that mean the legitimate questions around the use of things like round robin/VFX which are still outstanding will simply not be answered? According to this, if 2 or more actions are performed by 1 keystroke/mouseclick, that is considered stored keystrokes and violates the EULA. Like pressing an ISBoxer hotkey and having the software execute F1 plus whatever command is required to cycle to the next client. ISBoxer users will need to input 2 commands, not 1. Don't ask me how CCP plans to enforce it; that's just what I got from CCP Random on Twitter. Oh, and if anyone tries to use an old post from the forums saying that's okay, don't bother. Looks like any of those old responses will be considered "outdated" on 1 January 2015. Which quite frankly, I'm okay with. I've always hated having to reference old forum posts. I thought that was pretty stupid. In a couple of weeks, they are all outdated and we just need to go to the EULA, ToS, and policy pages. Hmm, it does seem like a CCP statement would be good here. I've thought of the new rules as "One keystroke sends one command to one client". If that keystroke also tells your computer to switch to another client, that's OK, as it is not a command sent to the client, but to your computer. But I'm not CCP.
The 1 keystroke = 1 command to 1 client fits what CCP Falcon posted, but Team Security also is clarifying that Section 6A3 goes beyond that. Between the dev blog and a couple of tweets, it sounds like it really is 1 keystroke/mouse click = 1 action in 1 client, which is a bit more restrictive.
Honestly, that's what I've always believed the EULA stated anyway.
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Sturmwolke
610
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Posted - 2014.12.20 11:49:32 -
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Good to see the tightening of the policies. Scale of the graph looks to be a deliberate obsfuscation? I'd assume trillions, but assumptions is the mother of all FU ... left open to interpretation by the masses.
1/10 on graph-fu. Fail.
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
132
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Posted - 2014.12.20 14:34:05 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Good to see the tightening of the policies. Scale of the graph looks to be a deliberate obsfuscation? I'd assume trillions, but assumptions is the mother of all FU ... left open to interpretation by the masses.
1/10 on graph-fu. Fail.
We're assuming trillions because the scale on the graph in the April Team Security dev blog read trillions. But it would be nice if the graph was labeled
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Memphis Baas
26
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Posted - 2014.12.20 14:59:59 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:What you need to ask yourself: What are you doing to stop players from doing their first offense?
For newbies, my suggestion would be to put a warning against macro use, certain portions of the EULA, and maybe a pointer to the full EULA or to the very eye-opening charts in this blog into the New Player Tutorial in-game. Players can view it from the in-game browser, and the tutorial can point it out to them, and make them aware that certain things are illegal and will have serious consequences.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
806
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Posted - 2014.12.20 20:21:01 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: I have a feeling that most violators are new players that do not realize that what they are about to do will have consequences, that they will be caught. Many may not even know their actions are a violation. After all, how does a new player know it's illegal to bot? Read the EULA? Yeah, right, not many do that. Look at Dev blogs? In a month this one will be buried below several new ones.
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Unless they are completely new to computer games in general, and MMOs specifically, "How does a new player know it is illegal to bot" is a strange statement to make.
Name me one MMO where botting is allowed under the EULA
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4582
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Posted - 2014.12.21 05:10:55 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Thanneus Ikkala wrote:Where does this put users of EVE Mentat for the IGB market cache skimmer? This may be considered a macro. It should be if the cache scraper is continuously running with no user input. Hopefully the dev for EVE Mentat will do what the dev for EVE Central is doing and move to getting the market data from authCREST. That would eliminate the EULA violation beginning on 1 January 2015. UPDATE: I was informed that EVE Central is completely on CREST and most of the others are on track to be on CREST by the end of the year
It's not even particularly difficult to do. There's a couple of ways of getting the auth to send back to the client, and a built in webserver is the easiest of the lot.
I've got a POC working with doing it the other way. But it's a bit more painful to do (requiring a registry change)
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Masao Kurata
Z List
178
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Posted - 2014.12.21 19:40:05 -
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PLEASE rename "Report ISK Spammer" to something else. I have no source for this but I think if I say that 95% of players think it's for reporting scammers or beggars I would be understating the actual number. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
7469
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Posted - 2014.12.21 21:59:29 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:PLEASE rename "Report ISK Spammer" to something else. I have no source for this but I think if I say that 95% of players think it's for reporting scammers or beggars I would be understating the actual number. Report ISK Seller?
Don't look any further for negative energy, you will find it by being lazy.
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Commander Nina Hanomaa
Chapter Six Chapters.
3
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Posted - 2014.12.22 01:03:12 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:PLEASE rename "Report ISK Spammer" to something else. I have no source for this but I think if I say that 95% of players think it's for reporting scammers or beggars I would be understating the actual number.
"Why should I report someone who keeps sending me ISK?" ~ My thoughts, when I first saw that feature as a newbie |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
165
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:16:41 -
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http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66774/1/TOTAL2014.jpg
You forgot to include a currency figure
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1680
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Posted - 2014.12.26 09:50:58 -
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Sigh. Talk about repeat offenders. Graphs should have three titles: x-axis, y-axis and chart title. I would have failed you for that alone - a mortal graphing offence!
Good job apart from that. The breakdown at fanfest sounds interesting.
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JP Nakamura
Union of Intergalactic Miners and Nano Assemblers
36
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Posted - 2015.01.05 16:10:49 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:... To be effective, deterrence needs to be overt, continuous, and persistent. I suggest that, on the launcher, there is always a little notice that says something like:
"Team Security report: Last month we handed out xx bans and confiscated yy trillion ISK for EULA violations."
No need to additional details, just give sufficient information that the players will always see you guys are on the job catching the bad guys.
The EVE equivalent of the Police Car parked by the side of the road to deter speeders?
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ShadowNeo29
O.S.E.F A.A.A.A.A
14
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Posted - 2015.01.09 11:21:39 -
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They banned all bot ... and normal users to have better statistics. Shame on us, they are unprofessional work. |
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