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Yai Koncardis
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:18:22 -
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Just got wrecked by a Loki yet I don't understand how. It has no turret hard points, but the killmail showed it as having 720mm artillery. I've never used a Loki and don't understand any of the modules it uses, can someone enlighten me a little more on this ship and perhaps some practical applications? I apologize if this is poorly worded, haven't slept much lately.
Also the kill itself if that matters at all: https://zkillboard.com/kill/43236043/ |
Khao Tulin
OneSociety
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:25:16 -
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Loki's will have various layouts depending on what subsystems they fit some will be alpha striking Arty ships others will lock you down and shoot you with autos a loki can do a hell of a lot. All the t3 statigic cruisers are modular in nature ( Loki ,legion, tengu,proteus.) |
Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:25:35 -
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Hehe. That reminds me of the person that thought they could solo a tengu because "It doesn't have any CPU! It can't fit mods!". Anyway, the T3 Cruisers (Loki, Legion, Proteus, Tengu) fit something called "Subsystems", these affect their attributes (all of them), but certain subsystems affect certain things. The Propulsion subsystems aren't going to affect your CPU, and the offensive subsystems aren't going to affect your speed. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Strategic_Cruiser |
Yai Koncardis
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:36:48 -
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Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:Hehe. That reminds me of the person that thought they could solo a tengu because "It doesn't have any CPU! It can't fit mods!". Anyway, the T3 Cruisers (Loki, Legion, Proteus, Tengu) fit something called "Subsystems", these affect their attributes (all of them), but certain subsystems affect certain things. The Propulsion subsystems aren't going to affect your CPU, and the offensive subsystems aren't going to affect your speed. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Strategic_Cruiser
And do you feel that its worth the 90-ish days of training and the high price per ship? I'm thinking about either just committing 3 months of training to fly it or buying an alt to fly it via character bazaar |
Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.12.20 08:44:12 -
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Yai Koncardis wrote:Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:Hehe. That reminds me of the person that thought they could solo a tengu because "It doesn't have any CPU! It can't fit mods!". Anyway, the T3 Cruisers (Loki, Legion, Proteus, Tengu) fit something called "Subsystems", these affect their attributes (all of them), but certain subsystems affect certain things. The Propulsion subsystems aren't going to affect your CPU, and the offensive subsystems aren't going to affect your speed. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Strategic_Cruiser And do you feel that its worth the 90-ish days of training and the high price per ship? I'm thinking about either just committing 3 months of training to fly it or buying an alt to fly it via character bazaar That's just to sit in it, but yeah. The T3s are good (although they're mostly used for different things), since they can be used for all the roles other cruiser (and some frigates) can do, not as good in some cases though. It's probably a good idea to start with t1 cruisers, unless you're going to use it for a specific role (and there might be something better to go for, in that case)
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Khao Tulin
OneSociety
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Posted - 2014.12.20 09:10:04 -
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I'd say if you want one train for it I rushed getting in to both the Loki and the tengu wasn't a good idea there great ships though. Just don't rush them u really do need decent skills beforehand. |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2014.12.20 09:45:42 -
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Yai Koncardis wrote:Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:Hehe. That reminds me of the person that thought they could solo a tengu because "It doesn't have any CPU! It can't fit mods!". Anyway, the T3 Cruisers (Loki, Legion, Proteus, Tengu) fit something called "Subsystems", these affect their attributes (all of them), but certain subsystems affect certain things. The Propulsion subsystems aren't going to affect your CPU, and the offensive subsystems aren't going to affect your speed. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Strategic_Cruiser And do you feel that its worth the weeks of training and the high price per ship? I'm thinking about either just committing 3 months of training to fly it or buying an alt to fly it via character bazaar It is, but as a newer player the losses will come often and a hull that expensive stings to lose. It's a good ship to work towards though. If you want to train into a T3 though, first establish what you want to do with it.
Loki excels at ganking small targets on stations and as a webber in fleets. Legion is the ship you want as a fast-locking heavy tackler while gatecamping or as a neuter in fleets. Proteus and Tengu for more general combat roles.
This is not set in stone, there are several ways to use each ship, but the current meta dictates these uses primarily.
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.12.20 09:57:10 -
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T3 are limited in use in that it requires you to have a specific situation/use where you know that a specific T3 and/or build will work really well, and requires backing by good SP and an even better understanding of the game. Going "T3 sound funky, lets do this" is probably not the best of ways. And of all the T3 the Loki is probably the "worst" for general use (if that even exists) and on top of that they're about to get a rebalance.
I'd not focus on T3 for now until a) you know what they can do and how, B) you actually have a use for it and c) rebalancing happened. |
Justin Zaine
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.20 10:22:43 -
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Quote:And do you feel that its worth the weeks of training and the high price per ship? I'm thinking about either just committing 3 months of training to fly it or buying an alt to fly it via character bazaar
I don't mean to brag but I spun ships for 4 months straight just so I could fly a Proteus as fast as humanly possible, so I consider myself an authority on the concequences of training T3 ship skills before you're ready to fly them. You need piloting skill, the proper supporting skills and basic knowledge about how they work in order to be effective in them - Based in your OP you evidently lack these things.
T3's are good for people that know how to use them, have the right skills and have support. That means sub skills to at least 4 with offensive and defensive sub skills at 5, all supporting skills to 4 if not 5, and maybe even a set of slaves if you're flying armor.
I'm not one of those "YOU MUST HAVE ALL THE THINGS TO LVL 5 TO BE A T3 PILOT!!!" advocates, and having spent a lot of time in my Prot between the first day I could fly one and now, I still have fun flying (And losing) my cloaky Prots in WH's, but my advice is that unless you either:
A. Don't care about having expensive lossmails on your KB B. Want to do this "Just because"
Then my advice is just don't. If you're somewhat serious about your direction of training and your KB efficiency, fly frigs instead.
TL;DR: Yes it's worth the training, but only if you know how to use it and have good support skills already trained, because you're not looking at a mere 3 months of training to fly one properly - you're looking at over a year.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.20 13:34:52 -
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Confirming, don't hop In a t3 hoping for a pwnmobile, it will result in a hilarious loss of both ship and skillPoints .
lose hacs , after you know how to keep those alive think about t3's.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1010
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Posted - 2014.12.20 13:58:43 -
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still working on keeping my ishkurs alive. developing engagement profile for bear hugging... deep hugging. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPtHQvfzAQU
That thing you just poasted? Yeah, that. That's the reason Ezwal always looks unhappy.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.12.20 16:20:23 -
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T3s often come across as exceedingly powerful, but what is often happening is that the pilot chose to specialize their T3 to do one specific thing very well, and those who run afoul of that one specific thing often die in a horrible fire.
As an example, there is The Slippery Pete Tengu fit. To look at it, it seems all but useless. No tackle, no tank, and more ECCM than any ship should ever need. In most situations, it would be an expensive target. But when flown in the manner it was designed to be used in, specifically as nigh-unprobable, interdiction nullified, long range snipers who pick off stray targets off of the edge of a fight, they have proven to be quite powerful.
While not always this extreme, many popular T3 fits focus on taking advantage of some aspect of their target. If their target happens to be resistant to that specialization, or they run across the wrong target, T3s will also die in a horrible fire.
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Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.20 20:47:45 -
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Flat out worth it training for a T3. So much you can do. My favorite ships in the game. |
KnightMaire kings
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2014.12.22 06:22:42 -
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tec 3s are my fav ships other than logi thare all varry good and fill dif roles and complament echoter when used in tandum if entrested join a corp thats t3 sentric (hi lvl wh) flying a t3 is like flying a cap do it right or git laffed at
The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2014.12.26 00:57:08 -
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Yai Koncardis wrote:Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:Hehe. That reminds me of the person that thought they could solo a tengu because "It doesn't have any CPU! It can't fit mods!". Anyway, the T3 Cruisers (Loki, Legion, Proteus, Tengu) fit something called "Subsystems", these affect their attributes (all of them), but certain subsystems affect certain things. The Propulsion subsystems aren't going to affect your CPU, and the offensive subsystems aren't going to affect your speed. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Strategic_Cruiser And do you feel that its worth the weeks of training and the high price per ship? I'm thinking about either just committing 3 months of training to fly it or buying an alt to fly it via character bazaar
Totally worth it but realistically the time it takes to "perfect" a T3 is is not mere weeks but similar to that of a capital ship. It took me two years of intensely focused training to fly the very competent Tengu that I needed to do the things I wanted to do. T3s are superior to other subcaps in that they are dynamic and can be fitted to do many tasks effectively. Getting to know them takes time and experience. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:27:59 -
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Lokis are decent covert cynos and acceptable armortanked huginns. With the new Ashimmu existing, they aren't that good anymore unless you pimp them out for real long webrange.
They used to be good, but they are pretty crappy these days, especially given their pricetag.
I flew one near exclusively for about 1-2 years, I miss the days of useful Lokis outside of pve :(
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