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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2014.12.22 09:29:56 -
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https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/hacker-gang-literally-saved-christmas-231000021.html
**if it needs to be moved ISD please move it.**
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.12.22 09:32:56 -
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" They returned in September to wreak havoc against popular games such as Call of Duty, FIFA, Destiny, Madden, and The Sims 4."
And this is bad because?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.12.22 09:35:36 -
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That Article wrote: Despite most hackers being "in it for the lulz" GÇö a hacker term meaning "doing it for fun"
Next, they'll be calling us all whippersnappers and telling us to get out of their world wide webs. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
13655
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Posted - 2014.12.22 09:51:47 -
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More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
251
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:25:19 -
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That is actually quite amusing :-) |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:27:39 -
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Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c
It's not them... it's the *other* kids who still think that consequences never knock on your door.
BTW, reading their excuses, it comes true that "Idle hands are the devil's workshop"...
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
793
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:35:48 -
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Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c 25 years for something that caused no physical damage to people is ......... hm ......
Sheesh ... I don't know what to think.
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Josef Djugashvilis
2815
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:42:33 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:" They returned in September to wreak havoc against popular games such as Call of Duty, FIFA, Destiny, Madden, and The Sims 4."
And this is bad because?
Jeez, Eve Online kids and their sense of being 'elite' because they play a particular online game.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2608
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:51:10 -
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Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c
You sure you're european chribbs?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:16:09 -
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Sol Project wrote:Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c 25 years for something that caused no physical damage to people is ......... hm ...... Sheesh ... I don't know what to think. is a great deterrent. Not saying rapists and murderers shouldn't get 100 years. Simply because something doesn't cause physical damage is in no way a get out of jail free card.
Just look at the behavior online by so many people. Just because they can't get punched in the face means they do whatever **** and say whatever **** they want.
And them saying they had nothing better to do... I have nothing better to do than to **** up things for others? Seriously an excuse of a clueless person - hence make future kids spend some thinking before destroying things for others. Because still it may not have caused any physical damage - it sure as hell has cost a lot of people monetary damage - some times in the end - you and me, the paying customers pay the bills for their "had nothing better to do" child play.
I for one don't want to pay more sub costs to CCP purely bc some teens have nothing better to do. So give them a harsh punishment and maybe that will make other people think twice too.
flakeys wrote:Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c You sure you're european chribbs? Internet has no borders
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Eli Apol
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:25:09 -
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Might be a little bit more fair to question the governments, parents and local authorities of where these guys lived as to why they have nothing better to do with their time?
Or ya know, 25 years sounds fair as well .oO |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:36:25 -
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Why not 50 years? That would be an even better deterrent.
Life imprisonment? Even better.
Hell, why not lethal injection?
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Don Pera Saissore
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:36:59 -
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If i knew that ccp was responsible for wrecking someone else's life so bad that it would take that person 25 years to recover i would stop playing this game. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1553
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:38:27 -
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Sol Project wrote:Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c 25 years for something that caused no physical damage to people is ......... hm ...... Sheesh ... I don't know what to think.
You're smarter then this. Just think of the money lost by these bored kiddies and time=money wasted on fighting this.
So yep, tag them and bag them. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:38:44 -
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Chribba wrote:Just look at the behavior online by so many people. Just because they can't get punched in the face means they do whatever **** and say whatever **** they want. People should be able to say whatever they want. If I say something and it makes someone else sad, too ******* bad.
But yeah, there should be a strong enough punishment for internet based crimes to put people off of doing them.
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
794
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:20:04 -
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Chribba wrote:Sol Project wrote:Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c 25 years for something that caused no physical damage to people is ......... hm ...... Sheesh ... I don't know what to think. is a great deterrent. Not saying rapists and murderers shouldn't get 100 years. Simply because something doesn't cause physical damage is in no way a get out of jail free card. Just look at the behavior online by so many people. Just because they can't get punched in the face means they do whatever **** and say whatever **** they want. And them saying they had nothing better to do... I have nothing better to do than to **** up things for others? Seriously an excuse of a clueless person - hence make future kids spend some thinking before destroying things for others. Because still it may not have caused any physical damage - it sure as hell has cost a lot of people monetary damage - some times in the end - you and me, the paying customers pay the bills for their "had nothing better to do" child play. I for one don't want to pay more sub costs to CCP purely bc some teens have nothing better to do. So give them a harsh punishment and maybe that will make other people think twice too. The rapist case was my tought. Rapists get less than that, too often.
This kid caused no harm onto people. You raise money above that. You consider the fact that there are so many haters as supportive ground to punish them with 25 years and imagine it works as a deterrent. You acknowledge that these people are that way, because they feel secure and invulnerable behind the computer ... yet you wrongly believe that this would deterr anyone who wants to do this. It doesn't.
No where I said "no jail" at all, so bringing that up kind of wonders me.
You show way too much hate.
Way too much.
I hope a court rules a fair punishment and I am glad that the sick mob, like you, has no say in this.
If this had been a rapist and I had a say in it, I would have had him cut his ... off ... ... pushed a hundred 5cm nails slowly into his body ... ... and letting him bleed out slowly so he can enjoy the same pain he laughed about when he caused it others ......
... because that's a deterrent!
I understand that victims create victims and we live in a holy mess that is bound to explode, but don't mistake me for someone who has a "too good heart" for anyone out there.
I hate everyone equally, which makes me a rather fair person.
This guy here was just one gigantic, delusional idiot.
I'd give him 10 years plus heavy restrictions on internet access for life. If he fails to comply and gets caught ... another 10 years of jail will teach him.
There.
10 years is a lot ... but it's still less than 25.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7157
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:25:16 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:" They returned in September to wreak havoc against popular games such as Call of Duty, FIFA, Destiny, Madden, and The Sims 4."
And this is bad because? Jeez, Eve Online kids and their sense of being 'elite' because they play a particular online game.
Its not a sense, kiddo, its a fact. Those games actually do retroactively affect intellect. Or are you telling me the players were stupid before hand?
Wow judgemental you.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7157
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:26:55 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Just think of the money lost by these bored kiddies and time=money wasted on fighting this.
In what way is it a sink?
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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
2975
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:36:24 -
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Buahahahaha, 10 years of no internet. That will teach them! Goddamnit Sol, you so funny. Funny like rest of EU and world in its nonsense of tolerance for every stupid and frakked up sh!t people do. Think about children!
I say frakk children! In my days you did sth stupid you got belt to your azz. And god forbit if your parents had to pay for sth or - even worse - hear about your idiocy on public forum like parent teacher meeting at school.
Prison would be good but that would be me paying for them not doing anything so work their azzes off. Roads need to be renovated, walls need to be painted, trash need to be picked up. Work them hard so the next time they will feel bored they will think twice.
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
798
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:37:58 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Buahahahaha, 10 years of no internet. That will teach them! Goddamnit Sol, you so funny. Funny like rest of EU and world in its nonsense of tolerance for every stupid and frakked up sh!t people do. Think about children!
I say frakk children! In my days you did sth stupid you got belt to your azz. And god forbit if your parents had to pay for sth or - even worse - hear about your idiocy on public forum like parent teacher meeting at school.
Prison would be good but that would be me paying for them not doing anything so work their azzes off. Roads need to be renovated, walls need to be painted, trash need to be picked up. Work them hard so the next time they will feel bored they will think twice. You are so full of hate, you didn't even read my post properly.
Try again.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7160
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:39:48 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Funny like rest of EU and world in its nonsense of tolerance for every stupid and frakked up sh!t people do. Think about children!
Speaking as a non-EU European, I can tell you for a fact people who think about children here are not tolerated.
For shame on you.
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Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
6639
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:40:24 -
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
798
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:40:42 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Just think of the money lost by these bored kiddies and time=money wasted on fighting this. In what way is it a sink? It's what parrots and governments teach people to think.
People somehow believe that money can be "wasted" as in, the money just vanishes and doesn't get paid to other people who do a job for a living.
So, basically he wants those who get paid for what he calls "waste" to be without income.
"Babies scream all the time, for no good reason" post
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3476
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:01:50 -
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Sol Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Just think of the money lost by these bored kiddies and time=money wasted on fighting this. In what way is it a sink? It's what parrots and governments teach people to think. People somehow believe that money can be "wasted" as in, the money just vanishes and doesn't get paid to other people who do a job for a living. So, basically he wants those who get paid for what he calls "waste" to be without income.
Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper, James Goodfellow, when his careless son has happened to break a pane of glass? If you have been present at such a scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty of them, by common consent apparently, offered the unfortunate owner this invariable consolation GÇô "It is an ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were never broken?"
Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, which it will be well to show up in this simple case, seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical institutions.
Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier's trade GÇô that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs GÇô I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.
But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, "Stop there! Your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen."
It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented -Fr+¬d+¬ric Bastiat, "That Which Is Seen and That Which Is Unseen", 1850
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7160
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:07:10 -
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I countenance that this example still does not constitute a proviso that income or precentage of profit is turned to waste by its redirection to other expediture than the one to which it was intended.
A cobbler's income is not of less or more consequence than that of the glazier. This is as true in the civilised world as it is in the Gallic Republic.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
21766
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:47:15 -
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Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c
Judging from your second post, I can understand you have strong feelings about this.
But I'm failing to see what 25 years will teach a person in this case that 5 or 10 years doesn't. Ignoring punishments doled out for ****, you understand that much more serious white collar crimes have far less punitive judgments which also often exclude any jail time?
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Nornir Empire
470
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:52:15 -
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Sol Project wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Just think of the money lost by these bored kiddies and time=money wasted on fighting this. In what way is it a sink? It's what parrots and governments teach people to think. People somehow believe that money can be "wasted" as in, the money just vanishes and doesn't get paid to other people who do a job for a living. So, basically he wants those who get paid for what he calls "waste" to be without income.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
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Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
28675
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:54:12 -
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Well this thread turned dark pretty fast.
Gas it please. |
Fred P
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:51:04 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: [...]Those games actually do retroactively affect intellect. [...]
Are you claiming that playing certain games will affect ones intelligence in the past?
Ramona McCandless wrote:I countenance that this example still does not constitute a proviso that income or precentage of profit is turned to waste by its redirection to other expediture than the one to which it was intended.
A cobbler's income is not of less or more consequence than that of the glazier. This is as true in the civilised world as it is in the Gallic Republic.
Sure, whether money goes to a cobbler or a glazier might not matter, if that's all you're looking at. But if you're looking at a guy who has just scraped enough money together to get his shoes fixed, but can't because some ******* came by and broke his window, forcing him to get that fixed first, it matters. If nobody broke the window to begin with, he would have an intact window and fixed shoes.
Differentiating between problems that arise just as a matter of course, or problems that arise as the result of the actions of some bored ******* is also possible, and if having to fix the problems caused by bored assholes interfere with fixing other problems, that is pretty wasteful.
That's the whole point of the parable of the glazier. When you take limited resources into consideration, preventable problems and other problems are no longer equal. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
17170
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:01:18 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Chribba wrote:More punishment, ruin their lives for the coming 25 years. Teach them kids to behave.
/c Judging from your second post, I can understand you have strong feelings about this. But I'm failing to see what 25 years will teach a person in this case that 5 or 10 years doesn't. Ignoring punishments doled out for ****, you understand that much more serious white collar crimes have far less punitive judgments which also often exclude any jail time?
25 years just keeps them out of your hair longer. Preventive medicine. lol
As to the point itself, personally, I feel that folks that have nothing better to do than to create hardship and irritation for others for he sake of personal amusement alone, are generally incongruent to societies on the whole and could do with some lesson on live and let live.
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