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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:36:24 -
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My brothers,
Each day, in New Eden, unscrupulous criminals kill workers in space. We no longer count the number of traders, miners, haulers, planetary interactors and industrialists stolen or murdered.
Without even money reasons, they can kill only for the pleasure.
As you know, these cowards prefer to attack unexperienced pilots with all the terrible psychological impacts they have on them. You need to be cautious in your work only because you want to earn and build your life honestly.
Fortunately, in Amarr, Caldarian, Gallente or Minmatar space areas, freedom fighters, bounty hunters and powerful alliances work against this mire.
We call these entities to contact us in order to build a network of vigilance against deliberate murderous attacks. Contact us discreetly on our channel, by mail or private talking.
It's a fact that syndicate of crimes is powerful, well organized and unmerciful. We can use the same tools to wash this plague. We ask for your help. Your weapons are yours : ISK, ships and will of course.
Please note we are not a corporation nor an alliance but only a secret organization. We know our ennemies and will pragmaticaly develop mechanisms at the height of their ferocity.
Here is its messenger already working with special anonymous agents. Simply join us.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
22
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:24:05 -
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Ah! Good news!
It's about time someone took a stand against the thieves and pirates of the galaxy.
Might I suggest a first target? I have heard whispers that a pirate group called Dark-Rising is starting to operate in the Intaki area. I have some old friends in the Legion and I worry. I hear DR are attaching themselves to the Gallente Militia, so that might be a good place to start.
At least, that's what I overheard down at the pub the other night.
Good luck! |
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
344
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:51:07 -
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Damn criminals!
It's a known fact that outlaw pilots are always flying around high on combat-boosters, fearlessly and senselessly engaging anything that moves. The only way to stand any chance against them is use combat-boosters yourself.
Now, as it happens, I am upstanding member of the Thukker community who can supply these combat-boosters.
Don't think of them as illegal... they're just enhancers, right? I mean, you don't think twice about rigging your ships, do you? Why not rig your brain, too!
Call me and I'll sort you out with what you need to fight the criminal menace!
Karynn Denton
Caravan Master
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Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
6644
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:17:08 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:Please note we are not a corporation nor an alliance but only a secret organization. Kellie no sure if this for very much secret anymore now that you talk for it and invite all for contact or channel.
Good luck for you though, Mista Znndstrup. I wish many success in all endeavor.
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:55:47 -
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The message needs not to be secret. The members and how they practice are.
We are like a mirage : real somewhere but not where you are seeing.
Thanks for your wish, Mrs Kellie.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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Bianca Silver
New Order Logistics CODE.
1178
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:17:12 -
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For me it's just business sir.
It's nothing personal. Everyone has a job to do.
Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all."
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Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1004
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:21:58 -
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Bianca Silver wrote:For me it's just business sir.
It's nothing personal. Everyone has a job to do.
Go away CODE, nobody likes you.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Bianca Silver
New Order Logistics CODE.
1178
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:26:15 -
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That's not very nice ma'am.
I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot?
Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all."
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Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1005
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:39:00 -
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Bianca Silver wrote:That's not very nice ma'am.
I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot?
No.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:43:28 -
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Anyone is free to be and do what he wants. We love freedom.
But anyone is also responsable about what he does (more than what he says). Whatever its corporation.
Assassins, we don't see and don't know your corporations. We only see your acts. As individual.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1005
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:54:50 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:Anyone is free to be and do what he wants. We love freedom. Request denied. The great Goddess of the IGS, Claudia, has decreed that CODE shall be trolled relentlessly so long as they maintain their awful disposition, and so it shall be. Go forth and troll the arrogant adherents to the new order, my loyal subjects!
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
24443
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:57:11 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Bianca Silver wrote:That's not very nice ma'am.
I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot?
No. Rather rude. Perhaps you'll be bold enough to take the same tone with Miss Silver's sponsor?
And .. Scope Works?
I thought they had respectable standards. It seems turning down an invitation yesterday was certainly the right move, in fact the offer now seems somewhat insulting.
As for the OP, well your idea is ground in warm sentiment and positivity, nobody can deny. But the drugs you're obviously taking certainly aren't going to help your cause. Beyond that, I'll simply mirror my little sister's best wishes.
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Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1007
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:42:36 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Bianca Silver wrote:That's not very nice ma'am.
I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot?
No. Rather rude. Perhaps you'll be bold enough to take the same tone with Miss Silver's sponsor? And .. Scope Works? I thought they had respectable standards. It seems turning down an invitation yesterday was certainly the right move, in fact the offer now seems somewhat insulting. As for the OP, well your idea is ground in warm sentiment and positivity, nobody can deny. But the drugs you're obviously taking certainly aren't going to help your cause. Beyond that, I'll simply mirror my little sister's best wishes. If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. They don't spout bull all over local and the IGS then expect us to thank them for it. Also, my attitude in no way reflects Scope Works nor there high standards of conduct on the feild. My conduct outside the official Scope works and any affiliated channels is my responsibility alone.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
24473
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:55:32 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. They don't spout bull all over local and the IGS then expect us to thank them for it. Also, my attitude in no way reflects Scope Works nor there high standards of conduct on the feild. My conduct outside the official Scope works and any affiliated channels is my responsibility alone. So you're saying you don't wish your conduct, a flapping lower-lip with a warp drive attached, to in anyway reflect your corporation.
Yet you'd like to reverse that and hold Ms Silver to your standard of her corp, without even knowing her.
Meanwhile she's being polite and respectful while you employ the only weapon you have, that flappy lip.
And people like you wonder why you're targets. Amazing.
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Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1007
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Posted - 2014.12.22 20:05:41 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. They don't spout bull all over local and the IGS then expect us to thank them for it. Also, my attitude in no way reflects Scope Works nor there high standards of conduct on the feild. My conduct outside the official Scope works and any affiliated channels is my responsibility alone. So you're saying you don't wish your conduct, a flapping lower-lip with a warp drive attached, to in anyway reflect your corporation. Yet you'd like to reverse that and hold Ms Silver to your standard of her corp, without even knowing her. Meanwhile she's being polite and respectful while you employ the only weapon you have, that flappy lip. And people like you wonder why you're targets. Amazing. Never wondered why I'm a target. It's normaly because I undock, same as everyone else. Getting blown up is expected and not really an affront. Also, hipocrocy is in right now, didn't you know? Get with the times Dusette.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Eojek
Starlight Moly
22
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Posted - 2014.12.23 05:20:26 -
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Bianca Silver wrote: Go away CODE, nobody likes you.
A funny thing: CODE only attacks individuals and small organizations. Large, organized, dedicated organizations do not have to worry about them as much. CODE is in fact, a group petty thugs and extortionists.
I will cite an interview I had with a 150 capsulier corporation who'se number were quite dedicated. Their numbers were quite disiplined and tended to follow very strict sets of protocalls. Due to their organization and numbers, CODE was forced to leave them alone.
The corporation sees wardecs as an inevitable reality and has very effective protocalls and disciplined pilots who not only field guns, but eyes and ears as well. Wardecs do not last long as the corporation has also chosen a location that is highly defendable, making a wardec pointless. One very determined group lasted three weeks before finally giving up.
Never give CODE an ounce of ISK. It's like scraching a wound and it'll only make things worse. |
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
336
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Posted - 2014.12.23 06:03:57 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:And .. Scope Works?
I thought they had respectable standards.
Hah! You made me smile miss, thank you.
As for this initiative, should it be genuine I do wish all involved good luck.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
204
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Posted - 2014.12.23 06:11:55 -
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We don't? |
Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
737
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Posted - 2014.12.23 06:20:07 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:We don't?
I mean is there anyone you guys would turn away?
-Eran |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
204
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Posted - 2014.12.23 06:28:07 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:We don't? I mean is there anyone you guys would turn away? -Eran
Ya..... true... Second chances I guess? |
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Bianca Silver
New Order Logistics CODE.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.23 08:41:11 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote: If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do.
Huh?
Who?
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Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
5
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Posted - 2014.12.24 09:39:26 -
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"We call these entities to contact us in order to build a network of vigilance against deliberate murderous attacks. Contact us discreetly on our channel, by mail or private talking.
It's a fact that syndicate of crimes is powerful, well organized and unmerciful. We can use the same tools to wash this plague. We ask for your help. Your weapons are yours : ISK, ships and will of course.
Please note we are not a corporation nor an alliance but only a secret organization."
While the sentiment towards good conduct is admirable, the strategy outlined by these quoted statements contains fairly obvious flaws in reasoning.
Most strikingly, you advocate the violence of a secret organisation in pursuit of a thing you call "law". This offends the plain meaning of words, as secret organisations using violence is precisely what the law is supposed to prevent. Indeed, it is precisely the evil you intend to prevent, with your glorious aspirations.
Given this equivalence against the nature of law, the only difference between you and those you seek to destroy is that you have explained why you are on the right side of the issue contested with your preferred enemies. From an objective vantage, your enemies might have exactly the same beliefs about their own moral worth.
It follows that "the law", if we are going to hail this concept, cannot operate ins secrecy. It is axiomatic that the law must be seen to be done as it is done. Transparency is part of the inalienable set of factors that constitute the rule of law.
Another part of that set is judicial process, often called due process. Judges of the law must be consistent and they must follow precedent. Further, they ought to defer to a parliament which devotes attention to public support for new laws.
It is a fact of new Eden that the mining and industrial classes partake of the same happy chaos as their pirate foes. Being immortal, they may reap the economic rewards of the mad, endless wars of the capsuleers, yet when it suits they cloak themselves in the moral finery of good conduct. Do not be fooled. All capsuleers are on the same side of war consumption in New Eden.
If you speak of law, think first of the myriad minions I have in my hanger. I have militants, homeless, janitors, dancing girls and even VIPs. They are all my subjects, to be whisked hence and forth according to my will as a capsuleer. Think also of the cannon fodder on the Dust platform, those sad little terrestrial monkeys who claw and scratch for petty ISK and no ultimate social mobility.
If there is any law in New Eden, it is the law of the capsuleers. So far, this has been the rule of the fist and, perhaps exceeding this to some extent, the deranged philo-theology of the goons.
When the capsuleers want law, first they will pay for it.
I estimate the ISK cost of pacifying a single low sec constellation at 120 billion ISK. This is a low level war to enforce respect for standings in empire space. This is the very first step on the path to capsuleer law.
At this rate, where will the money come from, to wage war for order in the low sec regions?
The miners have it, but they will not invest. The pirates will fall into order if the commerce of empire demands it, so all that really matters is the will of the industrial players, the miners and the traders.
If that class wills the rule of capsuleer law, they will fund the institutions to give such a vision effect, and they will fund the wars of liberation across New Eden, starting in Gallant space.
No law will come from secrecy, just as no light comes from shadows.
120 billion per system, and miners willing to fight.
Then you shall have the rule of capsuleer law. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2014.12.24 09:58:57 -
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It's not much of a secret organization if you announce it over a public bickering room.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.12.24 10:59:38 -
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Mr Pestilan Ratle, thanks for your opinion.
I am not sure we are only speaking about good sentiments. Security and wealth are very concrete.
It's the oldest subject in the human life : if you kill the killer, you are a killer. Well. No one said that shooting is a bad thing. All depend on who and why you shoot. A miner doesn't directly endanger life of anyone. An assassin who kills a miner because he is mining, yes. A hunter who kills this assassin is working so that it won't happen again, the best he can. In fact, it's a very simple process.
More over, nobody will object we have not the same conception of truth than some assassins. We desagree. We warn them here, i think. After, we will do.
The Law must be known. The facts must be broadcasted. The Management and The Executive of the process must remain secret. No one will intimidate us or attack us directly. It would be to easy.
The process of law you describe is probably good in a normal world. New Eden, infested with its flying vermin, is not. You understand we must adapt the process. It would be our best wish to solve these problems with a bouquet of flowers. Assassins don't like flowers. They like blood. We will give them some.
Consumption. Well. There is probably more interest when there is faction warfare than when some thugs kill, not on a big scale, some weak and new pilots. Industrialists and miners may support this, ok. But not the ones who work with us. There is no absolute truth. Only different conceptions. They fight each other, that's a fact.
Law and fist : we agree. Law and money : we agree. But you can also earn money when you don't lose 200 M ISK after one hour of honest mining. The money is here. Miners have, traders have. We let them the ability to use it if they think it's a good idea. But... do you know that the most confident money is yours ? The budget of some paranoiac groups of bastards is like a tear in the Ocean. Don't worry. We have all financial means to prosecute them.
No one wants to pacify a constellation like in the glorious tradition. Walking in the field, waiting for the bullet. No. I confirm. Light will come from the shadow. Without qualms.
If you believe in The Law, open your mind. There is always reasons to go far away from the path. If you believe in The Law, really, come and help us.
Corporations, Alliances are in the traditions. We like these traditions but we bring new traditions.
May The Law be our Savior. Amen.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
6849
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:45:13 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:It's not much of a secret organization if you announce it over a public bickering room. Kellie say for this exact thing too, but nobody ever listen to a Kellie.
Lot of bicker here, and for speeches sound like drunk try for raise a bar room rabble.
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Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
6849
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:51:02 -
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Bianca Silver wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do.
Huh? Who? You very many much pretty.
Compliment from Kellie for stylist.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1514
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:53:16 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote: Fortunately, in Amarr, Caldarian, Gallente or Minmatar space areas, freedom fighters, bounty hunters and powerful alliances work against this mire.
I can't agree with this, as so called "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" is the most dangerous blight and criminal scum of our cluster. They are more criminals than simple pirates. At least pirates are not afraid to say which side they are on, and that they violate law on purpose.
Freedom fighters claim that they are on "good side", while all they do is violating of laws, morals and traditions; killing civilians and innocents, attacking government structures for the sake of the most filthy and disgusting concept of humans - the freedom.
Thus I ask anyone, if you will see freedom fighters fighting pirates, please, take a conscious decision and exterminate freedom fighters first before fighting to eliminate or detain pirate elements.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2014.12.24 16:43:59 -
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An interesting initiative.
I should point out, however, that vigilantism is generally viewed as "criminal activity" by law-enforcement agencies; which makes the initiative somewhat ironic.
I advise caution, it is all-too-easy to begin such a path with noble intentions and find yourselves getting lost in the mire of ambiguity that surrounds and infests the cluster.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Zsaryna Adrelana
Empire of the Forsaken DARKNESS.
171
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Posted - 2014.12.24 19:37:05 -
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I believe the common phrase used is 'come and have a go, if you think you're hard enough' If you are coming to criticize the slaughter of Miners, I'd say that said miners take their own fate into their hands when they undock. New Eden, in case you have not realized, is not a pleasant place. Rewards go to the cautious and the wary, and expecting someone else to do the grunt work of protecting you is folly of the purest kind. These miners have been provided with all the tools for their own defence, the fact that they choose not to use them... well, that merely speaks eloquently about how standards are slipping in capsuleer recruitment these days.
If you are coming to criticise general illegality, again, the option remains. Enforce your will through strength of arms, or expect others not to give a damn.
This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such.
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
553
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Posted - 2014.12.24 20:37:13 -
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The most amusing thing about all of this is that it seems to forget that things only seem a way from a certain point of view. I for example am a freedom fighter helping to ensure the Amarr Milita has freedom of docking rights. I am also an outlaw from the point of view of Concord. Whereas, Sansha's Nation and the Gurista's pirates have paid me to stop attacks from the DED that were surely illegal from their point of view not being concord signatories.
So since everything only really matters via the viewpoint you have I choose to believe my actions are just and legal. |
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