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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:56:30 -
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One of the biggest things EVE has going for it is its massive playerbase, filled with tons of new-player friendly corps that love giving new players a place to find their footing.
One of the biggest things EVE has going against it is the perception that it is a dumb stupid boring game that's really hard to learn and once you do, it's a second job. Spreadsheets in space, etc.
Corporations are a major catch-22 because they work towards both of these points.
There is no doubt that, in EVE online, your average corp deals with far more logistics and management issues - both in game and out - than your average clan or guild from most other games. However, there is this massive perception, this negative stigma, that surrounds it. (The fact that our guilds are called "corporations" does not help this.) The NPE needs to do a better job of de-mystifying this. Stating somewhere that the word "corporation" need not be feared, that it is more or less analogous to "guild" would be a good idea. A new, friendlier, easier to find Corporation Classifieds of sort would be great, both for new players and existing corps alike.
Interaction with corporations, perhaps even joining one, should be part of the NPE. In a game fueled by player created content, this is how many new players will decide to stay or leave.
Me personally? I was having a pretty good time, but getting bored and about to finish my two-week trial. Would have signed off for good if I hadn't been recruited by a corp in my last few days. They introduced me to PvP; I joined a gatecamp that weekend and it was the most fun I'd ever had in the game. That was three years ago now, and I'm still with em.
I'm not saying we need to change the name of our space-guilds. But the stigma around "corporations" is not at all what they really are, and I think it would do wonders for the NPE to include proper understanding of the interaction with them.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:07:56 -
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:10:40 -
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Invisusira wrote:One of the biggest things EVE has going against it is the perception that it is a dumb stupid boring game that's really hard to learn and once you do, it's a second job. Spreadsheets in space, etc.
This is true, though. Carm told me once, "EVE isn't a game, it's a hobby".
Think about that for a second.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
282
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:17:09 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Invisusira wrote:One of the biggest things EVE has going against it is the perception that it is a dumb stupid boring game that's really hard to learn and once you do, it's a second job. Spreadsheets in space, etc. This is true, though. Carm told me once, "EVE isn't a game, it's a hobby". Think about that for a second. That's my point, though. It IS a hobby. I Was There.
There's nothing wrong with that, but that's not how it's perceived. It's viewed as a bad thing instead of something amazing.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18735
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:29:26 -
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Don't we have a "corp things" thread recently started by a dev?
Pretty sure I saw something like that....
Yeah..
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
21775
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:35:33 -
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UaE, I think Punkturis is collecting feedback for corp UI, and not corps in general..
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7167
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:38:53 -
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Uh... who cares what people perceive it to be?
Surely we only want those who are brave enough to give it a try and smart enough to learn how to survive?
Less of the gimme-gimmes and more Alan Quartermaines, please.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
282
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:46:15 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Uh... who cares what people perceive it to be?
http://i.imgur.com/1U594vK.png
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7167
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:47:36 -
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That's cute, but what relevance does it have to the rest of my point?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
21784
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:00:11 -
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Invisusira wrote: That's my point, though. It IS a hobby. I Was There.
There's nothing wrong with that, but that's not how it's perceived. It's viewed as a bad thing instead of something amazing.
Hobbies take a lot of time. People don't have a lot of time.
Hobbies take a lot of mental effort to sit down and absorb the little details and patiently overcome challenges. This is a difficult behavior to get people to commit to. Honestly, it takes effort. Effort can be hard to come by.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
282
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:05:17 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:That's cute, but what relevance does it have to the rest of my point? "Are you really that naive to think that public perception of EVE Online is totally and completely irrelevant?"
as hip and cool as it may sound to be like "YEAH **** THOSE GUYS WE DIDNT WANT EM ANYWAY WE EAT WHAT WE LIKE APPLE JACKS *****" ...
Like, I get it. There's a certain high you get from being superior to others. But when introducing new potential players to a game, the attitude should be "hopefully they'll get into this too and then we'll have even MORE people to play with and against," not "psh if they're not patient enough to navigate through ****** UIs and poorly explained concepts, they're not good enough to play with me anyway!"
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
21793
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:08:15 -
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Invi, you won't get far here by getting mouthy and insulting Ramona.
Let's stick to the discussion and debating points actually made. Can you do that?
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
802
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:08:36 -
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Most new player friendly corps I found weren't worth the creation fee.
Next you want these corporations to be immune to wardecs .....
"Babies scream all the time, for no good reason" post
"This is hilarious. Watch it" post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yugcNW_xI ("Fuck EVE!")
-- Sabriz Adoud
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
286
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:09:20 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Hobbies take a lot of time. People don't have a lot of time.
Hobbies take a lot of mental effort to sit down and absorb the little details and patiently overcome challenges. This is a difficult behavior to get people to commit to. Honestly, it takes effort. Effort can be hard to come by. Yes, EVE can take a TON of effort to be played to what some would define as its maximum potential.
It can also take next to zero effort to have fun with.
One of the BIGGEST draws for me when I first started playing was how little effort it took. Thanks to the real-time skill queues, there was no "rush to level cap." Sure, there's some content that you NEED to have that training to experience properly - flying caps, incursions, and the like, but there was NOTHING stopping me from hopping into whatever ship I could fly and finding something to do. It was all at my own pace. Play as much as I want or as little as I want, it didn't matter - I didn't have to grind XP, I was playing the game to PLAY THE GAME.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27201
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:10:15 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Invi, you won't get far here by getting mouthy and insulting Ramona.
Let's stick to the discussion and debating points actually made. Can you do that?
Invi has a point. There's too much 'deal with it' and black and white view points versus actually trying to find a way and help people get into Eve and stick with it.
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:11:12 -
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Sol Project wrote:Most new player friendly corps I found weren't worth the creation fee.
Next you want these corporations to be immune to wardecs ..... A more robust find-a-corp system would help this. Find out corp size. Leave ratings and reviews. Find more about the region they live and play in. There are a lot of things that could vastly improve here.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7168
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:11:15 -
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Invisusira wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:That's cute, but what relevance does it have to the rest of my point? "Are you really that naive to think that public perception of EVE Online is totally and completely irrelevant?" as hip and cool as it may sound to be like "YEAH **** THOSE GUYS WE DIDNT WANT EM ANYWAY WE EAT WHAT WE LIKE APPLE JACKS *****" ... Like, I get it. There's a certain high you get from being superior to others. But when introducing new potential players to a game, the attitude should be "hopefully they'll get into this too and then we'll have even MORE people to play with and against," not "psh if they're not patient enough to navigate through ****** UIs and poorly explained concepts, they're not good enough to play with me anyway!"
Ok well when you are mentally old enough to reply in a civil and adult manner, Ill still be here.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
286
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:12:22 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Invi, you won't get far here by getting mouthy and insulting Ramona.
Let's stick to the discussion and debating points actually made. Can you do that?
I did go into further detail when requested.
Dismissing my argument as "who cares" warranted the response it got.
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:14:18 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ok well when you are mentally old enough to reply in a civil and adult manner, Ill still be here.
Man you are just all about the blatant and completely un-subtle insults, aren't you? Civil indeed.
I am addressing your concerns while responding to you in exactly the way you are responding to me.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
21793
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:14:24 -
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Invisusira wrote:It can also take next to zero effort to have fun with.
I disagree with your statement. It sounds exactly like someone who claims 1 billion ISK an hour from some activity and then you find out they didn't factor in time spent warping between systems, and how irregular the income is, and many other factors.
EVE is not an insignificant commitment in time. It's not like working on your Masters Thesis, but it's not like playing a round or two of Angry Birds either.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27207
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:15:17 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Invisusira wrote:It can also take next to zero effort to have fun with.
I disagree with your statement. It sounds exactly like someone who claims 1 billion ISK an hour from some activity and then you find out they didn't factor in time spent warping between systems, and how irregular the income is, and many other factors. EVE is not an insignificant commitment in time. It's not like working on your Masters Thesis, but it's not like playing a round or two of Angry Birds either. Spectre Fleets and any other NPSI fleet.
/me drops the mic
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7168
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:16:22 -
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Invisusira wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ok well when you are mentally old enough to reply in a civil and adult manner, Ill still be here.
Man you are just all about the blatant and completely un-subtle insults, aren't you? Civil indeed. I am addressing your concerns while responding to you in exactly the way you are responding to me.
I don't believe I said any of the things that you placed in quotations or suggested was my opinion.
So, no, I don't believe you are here to actually entertain an opposing view to your position, which means that you have no interest in a debate, otherwise you would do more than simply make inaccurate statements regarding my interest in equine genetalia.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27207
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:17:44 -
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See, **** like the above, this black and white bullshit, helps nothing.
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:19:07 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Invisusira wrote:It can also take next to zero effort to have fun with.
I disagree with your statement. It sounds exactly like someone who claims 1 billion ISK an hour from some activity and then you find out they didn't factor in time spent warping between systems, and how irregular the income is, and many other factors. EVE is not an insignificant commitment in time. It's not like working on your Masters Thesis, but it's not like playing a round or two of Angry Birds either. I log in.
I hop in the frigate I've got sitting in my hanger.
I undock and go fly some FW, some L2s, or perhaps just roam around.
I die and get podded back home, or I return home scathed.
This is a relatively insignificant amount of time - or perhaps it's me playing into the wee hours of the morning. Either way, it is all completely dictated by myself, and requires little effort beyond simply "playing the game."
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:19:17 -
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Anslo wrote: Spectre Fleets and any other NPSI fleet.
/me drops the mic
Hey! You dropped your mic..
*runs after kohai*
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27207
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:19:39 -
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NO I DROPPED THE MIC DONT MAKE ME PICK IT UP
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:20:17 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Invisusira wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ok well when you are mentally old enough to reply in a civil and adult manner, Ill still be here.
Man you are just all about the blatant and completely un-subtle insults, aren't you? Civil indeed. I am addressing your concerns while responding to you in exactly the way you are responding to me. I don't believe I said any of the things that you placed in quotations or suggested was my opinion. So, no, I don't believe you are here to actually entertain an opposing view to your position, which means that you have no interest in a debate, otherwise you would do more than simply make inaccurate statements regarding my interest in equine genetalia. okay
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
802
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:20:33 -
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Just realised your corp.
Get lost.
"Babies scream all the time, for no good reason" post
"This is hilarious. Watch it" post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yugcNW_xI ("Fuck EVE!")
-- Sabriz Adoud
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27207
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:22:17 -
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Sorry, but wrong. Center for Advanced studies is living proof that NPC Rookie Corps are content factories. If you don't believe me, go to PF- in Syndicate and see for yourself. Go check the Alliance Tournaments. See for yourself.
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars Tactical Narcotics Team
289
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:24:38 -
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mmm pf-
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