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Vitari Pentervol
The Crown Estate Trading
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:25:47 -
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With the immunity for recon ships to D-scan to be implemented in the next expansion there is another type of ship that needs to be included to that, the Prospect Mining frigate. I I read in on a thread (can't find it currently) that suggestions were being taken for bringing high sec miners in to low and null. The environment of EVE makes that transition problematic with pilots hunting everything that flies everywhere that is not high sec. This is part of the game. But with Recon ships being removed from D-scans, this should be extended to include the Prospect, It is designed and allowed to equip the Covert Ops Cloaking Device II. It's meant to be hidey. This makes a great deal of sense. The hunters would have to do a little more work for their meals? Seems fair to me. As a high sec Miner I'd like to try my hand in some low sec forays but I'd rather not have to be as twitchy as a meth-head to do it and not get podded. |
Zed Rachalon
The Icarus Factor
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:53:32 -
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I don't understand what's wrong with the prospector as is. The venture has a +2 warp stability built in, so it's damn near impossible to pin as is. It's great for low sec. The only thing that stops it are bubbles. The prospect gets a covert ops cloak, and any halfway decent pilot can slip a null-sec bubble gate camp with a covops cloak. All the tools are there and they work great.
Then there's this quote:
Vitari Pentervol wrote:I'd rather not have to be as twitchy as a meth-head to do it and not get podded.
That's the entire fun of Eve. It's supposed to be nerve wracking. It's supposed to be suspenseful. It's supposed to present a real risk that gives you an adrenaline rush when it's over.
Your problem isn't really a problem with any of the ships. It's a problem of too much risk aversion. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:57:37 -
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Ships with covert ops cloaks are already immune to dscan while cloaked. No further changes are needed. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:01:21 -
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I'd like to point out the the cloakable recons will NOT be getting the d-scan immunity.
As such, neither should the prospect.
Neither should the venture, it's already amazing, and the ability for it to mine gas in WH's while immune to d-scan would be too much of a buff. Far too much. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:09:06 -
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You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
The Venture and the Prospect are both good ships with no changes needed. Learn to use them appropriately.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:11:20 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space. I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.12.24 00:56:33 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space. I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.12.24 01:05:22 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space. I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!
My only regret in this world..is being able to like this only once.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.12.24 01:12:30 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space. I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!! I could not have asked for a better rendition. Absolutely Perfect.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
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Posted - 2014.12.24 01:16:04 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space. I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!
Freakin' brilliant! Well done, sir!
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.12.24 03:01:22 -
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I don't think the Prospect needs the d-scan immunity. All it will do is bring less skilled pilots closer to the more skilled ones, without improving what the more skilled pilots can do with a Prospect.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Ben Ishikela
HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.12.24 04:40:25 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space. I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!! saved! |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.12.24 05:40:13 -
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Anhenka wrote:I'd like to point out the the cloakable recons will NOT be getting the d-scan immunity.
As such, neither should the prospect.
Neither should the venture, it's already amazing, and the ability for it to mine gas in WH's while immune to d-scan would be too much of a buff. Far too much.
I see this a lot but noone yet questions if it is a move to make "hunting" move towards combat probes.
As for why combat recons got it I think that will be a complete mystery for everyone for a long time.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.12.24 05:41:42 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I don't think the Prospect needs the d-scan immunity. All it will do is bring less skilled pilots closer to the more skilled ones, without improving what the more skilled pilots can do with a Prospect.
Take an hour to fill their cargo bay?
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.12.24 06:03:34 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I don't think the Prospect needs the d-scan immunity. All it will do is bring less skilled pilots closer to the more skilled ones, without improving what the more skilled pilots can do with a Prospect. Take an hour to fill their cargo bay? With max skills and two Mining Laser Upgrades... it takes a little over 14 minutes to be completely full.
And with a range of 12km on your lasers, you can easily cloak up if you detect anyone on D-scan... or if someone has just landed on grid (your cloak will work as long as you are more than 2km from an object and have not be target locked).
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Anhenka wrote:I'd like to point out the the cloakable recons will NOT be getting the d-scan immunity.
As such, neither should the prospect.
Neither should the venture, it's already amazing, and the ability for it to mine gas in WH's while immune to d-scan would be too much of a buff. Far too much. I see this a lot but noone yet questions if it is a move to make "hunting" move towards combat probes. As for why combat recons got it I think that will be a complete mystery for everyone for a long time. The D-Scan immunity for Combat Recons is supposed to add more "uncertainty" to hunting and choosing engagements... to make things more "unpredictable."
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Aran Hotchkiss
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.24 06:13:35 -
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I believe the hour to fill cargo bay was referring to gas mining. I'd elaborate but typing on a phone so you'll have to look up the numbers yourself. |
Vitari Pentervol
The Crown Estate Trading
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Posted - 2014.12.24 07:53:03 -
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Well I have to say that I'm surprised anyone actually read my post. Thank you. I just wanted to put my two cents in. I am no expert on high risk mining, far from it, but I'd like to try. There's no point hording isk without doing something with it. Fly safe gents. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2014.12.24 08:57:44 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space. I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!
That reminds me somehow of the tech3 Amarr shuttle
Well done!!
Happy holidays!
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