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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.12.25 05:09:46 -
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AR or OC...or both, huh?
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.12.25 05:13:48 -
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One could almost wonder if Market is down and Ships & skills are down due to the size of coalitions & cartels growing dramatically and doctrinal fleets becoming vastly more wide spread, removing the need for individuals to try and figure it out for themselves or ask because their leadership has told them what to fly and what to train. And the markets are all controlled.
After all, WH forum is growing in use, which indicates an area which isn't cartel controlled flourishing. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.12.25 12:01:43 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:WH forum is growing in use, which indicates an area which isn't cartel controlled flourishing. Would you like to purchase an item of Dinsdale approved apparel?
CONCORD would like to remind you that the only thing under their protection is the doughnut shop found on level 2 of the food-mall in every station. ~ planto meus dies punk ~
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2014.12.25 12:18:41 -
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So... what you're saying is... because of Falcon?
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
902
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Posted - 2014.12.25 12:23:09 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:So... what you're saying is... because of Falcon? Please note how it's always the griefers who complain how the forums aren't fun anymore ... ... and how the tyrant CCP Falcon and ISDs ruined it for them. |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
388
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Posted - 2014.12.25 12:56:31 -
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I like these forums and Erotica wants us to be nice to the CCPs and the ISDs.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
903
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Posted - 2014.12.25 13:06:36 -
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John E Normus wrote:I like these forums and Erotica wants us to be nice to the CCPs and the ISDs. *waves at Ero* Hiiii!!! Merry Christmas to you! I would have sent your alt a mail ... ... but nobody shares the information. :( |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.12.25 13:09:00 -
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Happy players play the game, unhappy ones play the forums. |
Arllette
Clarity Incorporated Anoikis Ronin
951
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Posted - 2014.12.25 13:17:20 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:After all, WH forum is growing in use, which indicates an area which isn't cartel controlled flourishing. We've got good people working on that.
Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all."
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
588
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Posted - 2014.12.25 13:45:19 -
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Another speculation - after the Summer of Rage and CCP was apologetic with offers of listening to the player base from there on out, perhaps many players that used to post realized that all the times beforehand they were posting was probably for naught since CCP did their own thing anyway. Even today, there are threads where CCP states they are going to add this, alter that, or remove these and those while the players state ideas and reason why CCP should not. Yet CCP still goes ahead as planned... |
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Demolishar
United Aggression
1031
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Posted - 2014.12.25 13:55:43 -
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Could you possibly do Character Bazaar, Sell Orders and Trades as well? |
Emiko P'eng
121
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Posted - 2014.12.25 14:30:07 -
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Hehe!
A lot of the drop will be due to technology and attitudes moving on!
As a couple of youngsters have commented at work 'You still use forums, how old are you'
Then as a nephew of my boss commented after setting up his uncle's new laptop 'As Facebook is for old people I set up an account for you so you can keep in touch with your old friends' to which my boss said he used email for that and his nephew was aghast that email still existed |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
335
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Posted - 2014.12.25 14:54:11 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:reddit...
methinks Noriko is on to something.
eve online original intro
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
908
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Posted - 2014.12.25 14:56:19 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:reddit... methinks Noriko is on to something. Reddit as a whole is a shithole full of idiots. It's mostly the griefers who whine about lack of "entertainment" and censorship here.
1+1=2. |
Equinnox Dethahal
Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.25 15:57:25 -
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I would like to see side by side statistics for locked threads as well.
Typically people use other means to post (3rd party) when the official forums become over moderated. Im curious if the decline in forum use coincides with an increase in locked threads.
Not suggesting that no threads should be locked, but ive seen a lot of threads that might not be 100% "by the books" on forums rules but were good threads that spawned interesting discussions. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2014.12.25 16:57:08 -
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So, took a little time and totaled up the post-counts from the table Chribba provided, excepting:
-2003 -the 4 or 5 insignificant, short-lived EVE CCG forums. -Timecode Bazaar, which was massive in 2007-2009, but has largely been superceded by in-game PLEX usage.
Total Posts, Forum-wide, %Change on year 2004: 1,172,604 2005: 1,238,543 (+5.3%) 2006: 1,783,132 (+30.5%) 2007: 2,125,331 (+16.1%) 2008: 2,031,028 (-4.6%) 2009: 2,019,159 (-0.6%) 2010: 1,628,577 (-24.0%) 2011: 1,856,649 (+12.3%) <---(CCP Zymurgist fired) 2012: 1,689,159 (-10.0%)<--- (CCP Falcon, ISDs, New Forums introduced) 2013: 1,554,399 (-8.7%) 2014: 1,223,452 (-27.1%) !!!! WTF?
Or, if you prefer: Posts-per hour. 2004: 134 2005: 141 2006: 204 2007: 243 2008: 232 2009: 231 2010: 186 2011: 212 2012: 193 2013: 177 2014: 140
There can be no doubt - EVE-O usage is at its lowest point since 2005...and most of this collapse has occurred in the last two years, and it is way out of line with overall number of accounts.
Theorycrafting reasons for failure is fun, but ultimately one must grapple with the results. Community management must be held accountable. CCP must accept that poor decisions were made and consider making personnel changes that will, hopefully, revive this community. Otherwise, doubtless, these negative trends will continue.
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.12.25 17:08:52 -
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And still there is no proof that it was a bad thing.
No proof.
I get that forum activity is low and I understand that people go somewhere else ... ... but your whole point is trying to make it look like all the stupid, griefing assholes you are prepresenting ... ... do have anything valueable to say.
Just like you. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.25 17:14:44 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
Theorycrafting reasons for failure is fun, but ultimately one must grapple with the results. Community management must be held accountable. CCP must accept that poor decisions were made and consider making personnel changes that will, hopefully, revive this community. Otherwise, doubtless, these negative trends will continue.
LOL, there is no Community Management.
CCP's current "Community Manager" is not even a full-time position and the present one works for both CCP and Riot simultaneously.
G˙+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
915
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Posted - 2014.12.25 17:29:35 -
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Doc Fury wrote:CCP's current "Community Manager" is not even a full-time position and the present one works for both CCP and Riot simultaneously. What?
Source? |
Alejandro Rebenga
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Posted - 2014.12.25 17:35:33 -
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Posting in a stealth moderation discussion thread..
lol posts per hour... kinda like looting a Nestor bpc and saying 'omg my isk/hr is over 1B' |
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1186
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Posted - 2014.12.25 17:46:46 -
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Alejandro Rebenga wrote:
lol posts per hour... kinda like looting a Nestor bpc and saying 'omg my isk/hr is over 1B'
Actually, no. Not like looting a Nestor BPC at all.
Simply total posts per year, divided by 365, then divided by another 24. Humans don't like thinking in terms of large numbers over long periods of time, so posts/hr are more manageable to some.
Your flawed example would be akin to selecting 2 or 3 hours of peak activity (say, immediately after a bad patch), and claiming it was representative of average activity over a longer period.
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Sol Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.12.25 17:55:30 -
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Ignoring that posts/hr are of no value whatsoever.
You can come up with irrelevant data that proves nothing all the time, but unless you somehow prove that it actually got worse ...
... you simply have nothing to say beyond your typical asshattery.
Ignore me all you want ... it won't help you. |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.12.26 01:23:42 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Alejandro Rebenga wrote:
lol posts per hour... kinda like looting a Nestor bpc and saying 'omg my isk/hr is over 1B'
Actually, no. Not like looting a Nestor BPC at all. Simply total posts per year, divided by 365, then divided by another 24. Humans don't like thinking in terms of large numbers over long periods of time, so posts/hr are more manageable to some. Your flawed example would be akin to selecting 2 or 3 hours of peak activity (say, immediately after a bad patch), and claiming it was representative of average activity over a longer period.
Less ****** issues threads, less ****** lag problems threads, less ****** (perceived) favouritism threads, less ****** BOB vs Goons threads, less ****** "omg now that nano is gone the game sucks" threads, etc etc etc.
Simply linking quality of the game, forums and whatnot to total post or post per hour is silly. There is zero correlation between quantity of posting and the quality of the game or how well it's doing activity wise.
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.12.26 01:35:58 -
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-I think it might be Derude Sandstorm
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Badel Jramodarr
New Eden Miners Millitia
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Posted - 2014.12.26 05:08:31 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Was initially motivated by reading James 315's propoganda** blogpost on the current state of the forums He painted a pretty desolate picture... ... could propose some constructive remedies **FTFY You (& J315) have made a problem out of what you think the numbers mean. If this was a real scientific hypothosis you two would have been made a laughing stock. You want to propose remedies to a problem that doesn't exist. You sure you don't work for an advertising agency? That's their schtick.
I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all
...I'm on a horse
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1186
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Posted - 2014.12.26 05:45:53 -
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Gregor Parud wrote: Less ****** issues threads, less ****** lag problems threads, less ****** (perceived) favouritism threads, less ****** BOB vs Goons threads, less ****** "omg now that nano is gone the game sucks" threads, etc etc etc.
Simply linking quality of the game, forums and whatnot to total post or post per hour is silly. There is zero correlation between quantity of posting and the quality of the game or how well it's doing activity wise.
Less threads/posts of all kinds, actually. Far less. I see no evidence to suggest that 'only bad threads/posts' are gone and only good ones remain. Does that mean should forum participation drop another 25% - below even 2004 numbers - the forums are going to be better than ever? Only the most intelligent and well thought out threads will remain, such as those by one of Solstice Projects' alts? Kind of like a sci-fi 'Best of' album by the Eagles? Yeah, I didn't think so. Placing your fingers in your ears and pretending a problem doesn't exist won't make it go away, even if you don't like the messenger.
One metric that could be considered - but I've no way of tabulating easily:
Thread view totals. If these numbers have collapsed as well - it would indicate that the forums are failing on the readership end as well, and the silly arguments that 'only the bad posters are gone' could be completely discarded. Wait, no that wouldn't work. Sol and pals will conveniently argue that only 'the bad forum readers' have gone away as well, no doubt. "We didn't want those forum readers anyway." Am I right?
Thread 'views' are clearly visible, collectable information - but I'm not going to sit and try to add them up. Perhaps Chribba has a tabulation of these numbers as well, or a CCP rep can chip in.
Also, This thread isn't about the health of EVE itself. It appears the game itself is kind of in a slow, managed decline, with a subscription peak that occurred several years ago.
Whats striking, as mentioned earlier, is the rapid collapse in forum participation relative to gradual subscription declines.
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Sturmwolke
611
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Posted - 2014.12.26 08:12:42 -
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Emiko P'eng wrote:As a couple of youngsters have commented at work 'You still use forums, how old are you' Then as a nephew of my boss commented after setting up his uncle's new laptop 'As Facebook is for old people I set up an account for you so you can keep in touch with your old friends' to which my boss said he used email for that and his nephew was aghast that email still existed
Nope. Tell them they've been brainwashed to overconsume information - most of which are meaningless drivel, background noise and pointless reading.
The basis of communication is an exchange of ideas and there are various platforms for the different tasks. Tweets (or equivalents) are more suited for quick one liners or paragraph, emails are necessary when you have multiple ideas to convey/exchange (e.g. business use). Please tell your boss to send his nephew to a re-education camp to ponder his misplaced/short-sighted believe.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.12.26 08:18:30 -
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So 2010 before the current community team saw the largest absolute fall in posts. And 2011 when the new community team was implemented actually saw a rise in posts.
With a trend of 6 of the last 7 years of the forum posting falling.
And you want to blame this on the CCP forum staff of the last two years? Hmmm, Can I have some of what you are smoking. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1189
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Posted - 2014.12.26 09:11:30 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:So 2010 before the current community team saw the largest absolute fall in posts. And 2011 when the new community team was implemented actually saw a rise in posts.
With a trend of 6 of the last 7 years of the forum posting falling.
And you want to blame this on the CCP forum staff of the last two years? Hmmm, Can I have some of what you are smoking.
Not quite. CCP Zymurgist was fired in late 2011, late October if I recall. A pretty significant portion of 2010's losses were clawed back that year, probably due to all the attention Incarna, monocles, and Space Barbies were getting.
The current manager CCP Falcon/ISD regime started enforcing sometime in mid-2012, and were not present at any point in 2011. My impression is that CCP Navigator was covering during that period, but my dates could be off slightly.
"Who was on watch" during early 2012 is debatable. However CCP Falcon was clearly 'Captain of the Ship', and put his stamp on these forums during the entirely of 2013 and 2014.
The results - a drop in forum participation to the lowest since 2005.....are not debatable.
One more year of this substandard performance - and we will be well below 2004 numbers - when EVE was less than a year old and had a far smaller subscription base.
Its a scary thought, especially if you enjoyed the forums as I used to. Its hard to see how far they've fallen. I mean, if all the 'bad posters' are supposedly gone, driven off by mods, thats the theory right? Yet scroll down and witness the thread/post quality we are left with..... Doesn't seem so exclusive now, does it?
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1498
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Posted - 2014.12.26 16:11:09 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:reddit... well many warned that if the over-moderation of the forums wod continue (back in 2011/12) , that the relevant conversations would simply migrate to a less restricted place. That is exactly what happened.
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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