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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.12.26 17:06:28 -
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Just tried entering a Serpentis Phit Outpost in my Loki and was denied, ran 3 of these 2 weeks ago.
So ninja fix to bar t3s from 4/10s now? Or is it just me. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.12.26 17:10:34 -
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Quote:Some 4/10 exploration sites have had their gate access corrected to prevent entry by Strategic Cruisers Patch notes for Rhea.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.12.26 17:52:46 -
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so its ishtar/gila or gtfo, i see |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.12.26 17:59:47 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:so its ishtar/gila or gtfo, i see and Stratios.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Aplysia Vejun
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:15:23 -
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...or nearly any t2 cruiser or most t1 cruisers
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:20:28 -
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none of them come close to the aforementioned ships in terms of efficiency though. |
Aplysia Vejun
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.26 23:32:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:none of them come close to the aforementioned ships in terms of efficiency though.
The Navy Vexor does. But that wasn't your question. In gurista space you'll need one of those ships to have a chance. But there are other regions where you have plenty of time to finish your site. |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
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Posted - 2014.12.27 00:03:17 -
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having NO problem whatsoever in a faction omen fitted for relic sites, combat with probe launcher no changing or refitting required. Is a great little ship. Sure its no legion but it can take the gates and do the sites, im happy |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.12.27 00:18:14 -
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must be slow as hell though |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.12.27 02:18:31 -
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Aren't t3's only bared in high sec? Where it's. .... overkill to say the least. |
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
762
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Posted - 2014.12.27 02:23:05 -
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might be, the last 2 4/10s i did were in low. Why would the same site bar t3s in different sec though? Sounds overcomplicated. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.12.27 02:26:56 -
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The baring of t3's was to allow newbies to have a chance. If you go back to the original patch notes they will explain it better. But basically faction fit tengus were just blitzing everything and scooping loot even if the newbie got the kill. And said newbie of course had no chance to fight a t3 either. Yes Eve is harsh and pvp. But you also need newbies to be able to grow and develop. Tough balance to create. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2014.12.28 03:42:11 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:The baring of t3's was to allow newbies to have a chance. If you go back to the original patch notes they will explain it better. But basically faction fit tengus were just blitzing everything and scooping loot even if the newbie got the kill. And said newbie of course had no chance to fight a t3 either. Yes Eve is harsh and pvp. But you also need newbies to be able to grow and develop. Tough balance to create. Because the Gila, Ishtar, and Stratios aren't overbearing for newbies. Or any HACs or most Faction Cruisers. |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.12.28 03:43:33 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:The baring of t3's was to allow newbies to have a chance. If you go back to the original patch notes they will explain it better. But basically faction fit tengus were just blitzing everything and scooping loot even if the newbie got the kill. And said newbie of course had no chance to fight a t3 either. Yes Eve is harsh and pvp. But you also need newbies to be able to grow and develop. Tough balance to create. Because the Gila, Ishtar, and Stratios aren't overbearing for newbies. Or any HACs or most Faction Cruisers.
exactly this, might as well bar anything except T1 cruisers from 4/10s |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.12.28 08:20:47 -
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I can't imagine using a gila for combat sites.... sentry drones ftw!
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.12.28 09:37:52 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I can't imagine using a gila for combat sites.... sentry drones ftw! In some sites sentries are faster, but in close combat gila is a beast. I don't like drone boats but all guristas ships are amazing hulls.
Omnathious Deninard wrote:Because the Gila, Ishtar, and Stratios aren't overbearing for newbies. Or any HACs or most Faction Cruisers. Agree. T3s are as much efficient as pirates/T2s. Sentry boats are even faster than T3s.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
540
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Posted - 2014.12.29 05:19:26 -
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Yep, T3s banned again.
And yep, T3s aren't any better than a HAC or pirate cruiser for 3/10 or 4/10.
CCP has never given any reason for it. There is no reason for it. It's nonsense. |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.01 01:02:44 -
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Be happy your ill gotten loot from earlier hasn't been confiscated by CCP. T3s have been banned from 3/10s and 4/10s since Oddyssey 1.0. |
Mnemosyne Gloob
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Posted - 2015.01.02 13:08:05 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:CCP has never given any reason for it.
Do you not remember the times when hisec explo meant predominantly tengus? The time after usage of DSP became common?
Granted this was before changes to HACs and the pirate cruisers, which now makes them maybe even more efficient. Back then the whole package of tech3+expanded launcher+dsp was probably why CCP did what they did.
And i think they should leave it how it is now, it's okay. In lowsec i welcomed this change, as it meant i could do the 4/10s and not care about the eternal tenguswarm. They fly other ships now, too, though.
[edit]NERF TENGU!!one[/edit]
[editedit]if only they would now fix broken ded escalations. if you get a 5/10 you should have to go where 5/10s are and do the whole site[/editedit] |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:59:58 -
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They never said they banned T3s because Tengus were too efficient. That is speculation. And speculation is all that there is because they have never made a statement on it.
If it was because Tengus were too efficient, it doesn't make any sense. Odyssey also removed DSPs, which by itself reduced the efficiency of the Tengu. One of the reasons the Tengu was so popular was because it was so easy to fit the expanded launcher on it without gimping your fit. No DSPs, no need for explorers to have an expanded launcher anymore. They also made general probing far easier in Odyssey, increasing efficiency in this aspect of exploration greatly, regardless of ship. Effectively: if you're in a non-T3, your probing efficiency increased the day of Odyssey.
Then they buffed HACs and pirate cruisers, which are generally better for the job now than Tengus would be, certainly better than the other T3s.
So post-Odyssey... non-T3 ships probe faster and clear sites faster than they did pre-Odyssey. The sites are found and run in greater quantity than pre-Odyssey and are being blitzed faster than they were pre-Odyssey. Efficiency is up. Just look at the ever plummeting loot value since Odyssey.
Hell, now people can easily farm their own private hisec 4-10s and 5-10s from anomalies as you pointed out. If Tengus were banned because they made it too easy, or were too hard for other players to compete with... then why would CCP have made ANY of the other changes they've made during and after Odyssey with regards to exploration? Farming 3/10s and 4/10s has never been easier or faster. And you don't even need to compete for the sites anymore either.
Yes, I used a Tengu pre-Odyssey. I'd rather fly my Ishtar or Gila now. I want T3s allowed back in so I can laugh at them as I steal their sites, and for more variety in ship types found in 3/10s and 4/10s.
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Mnemosyne Gloob
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Posted - 2015.01.03 01:22:54 -
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Well they sometimes don't give reasons. As i said i suspect it was because of the whole package.
Yes probing is generally easier now, yes HACs and pirate cruisers are more of a thing now. I'm not sure tho if that together would mean allow tech 3s again.
You could set me to any sort of ramblings about loot prices and sites availability. The issue with some hisec sites became apparent even earlier than the advent of DSPs. IMO 4/10s should go to lowsec only. Too high a reward for no risk in hisec, i think - and even in lowsec there is not that much risk as long as you behave hafway intelligent. Now why we would have 5/10 content in hisec at all (and that even being easier than the normal sites in lowsec), i don't even get - emergent bahavior has shown people finding ways to make their 5/10 expeds likely to spawn in hisec, leading to a bit of a farmville. Add in "Adjustments to the likelyhood of some rarer expeditions to trigger" (WTF, ANOMS??) - and you have retrievers doing dens for 5/10s.
It's not only amount of sites being run that drive down prices tho. If you look at shield boosters, the emergence of ASBs (and for armor reppers AARs) has made demand go down a bit. The medium boosters have (rightfully) also been brought in line a bit, in regards to rep/cap, making them again less sought after. Couple all these factors and some i am maybe overlooking together and you get the plummet in prices.
The big heydays of extraordinarily drops are over. |
Grime89
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:42:42 -
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This nerf goes way back. It made me quit 3 years ago, came back for a visit only to find same BS. Would be nice to get an official answer from CCP as to why the change was made but they only care about selling more ship skins. |
Sir Livingston
Club Deadspace
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:01:35 -
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2693
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:10:07 -
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Hopefully they nerf them just enough to still be useful by able to be allowed back into 3/10s & 4/10s |
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