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Iron Breaker
420 Enterprises. TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.27 12:15:28 -
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My friend and I like to get together and run missions, but the problem is all the level four missions are to easy at this point. I can solo any level four, with my buddy along a level four becomes rather booring.
I checked into the level fives, but i'm told there are gankers who hang around the level five mission hubs in. Low sec making level fives a giant hassle.
I deal with hassles all day at work. When I come home and want to relax I seldom want so be bothered with in game harassment.
In any case, just a friendly suggestions , how about putting some more advanced two player missions for people like myself who just want to want to chat with a buddy on Skype, have a drink and run a few missions.
Just for me personally, the main problim I have run into in EVE is, other then pvp, there is not much I can team up with to do with my buddy.
I'm open to suggestions. |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
762
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Posted - 2014.12.27 12:39:50 -
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but isnt that exactly what u wanted? Harder missions?
Surely player harassment counts as added difficulty?
There are also burner missions that allow frigates only, they're quite challenging. |
Landra Tauron
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.27 12:46:32 -
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By that logic having my three kids use me as a jungle gym while trying to run a mission counts as added difficulty.
Or,
Do a few shots before running a mission makes is more challenging. Lol.
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
762
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Posted - 2014.12.27 13:16:06 -
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why not =/?
Eve is primarily a player driven game where most of the content is provided by players. |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
580
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Posted - 2014.12.27 16:11:05 -
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Have you tried the epic arcs for each of the four main factions? http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc
They're harder than normal missions, and you can stay entirely in highsec, with the exception of the caldari one which requires a trip to low or null.
You can do each arc once every three months, so it's not something that you can do continuously.
Other than that, if you want higher-end highsec content, look into incursions. It's not something you could do with just the two of you, but you could do it together. |
Orlacc
699
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:46:26 -
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EVE is a pvp game. Not two seperate games.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Iron Breaker
420 Enterprises. TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
14
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:52:45 -
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Tried to do incursions, but it seems like you have to know the right people to be able to get in on one.
I just feel what the game is lacking is content that allows a two player group to go out and do something together.
Missions get repetitive and as your skills increase to easy. Incursions require a large group. Complexes can take rather a long time to scan down and often have little or no reward, and you really don't need a friend to help. The escalation missions were interesting, but they come along so seldom they are not the kind of thing you can just call up your friend and go do one. PvP although somewhat interesting, is not really my thing. I asked around about faction war but no one seems to do much with it, or understand the point of it. I did the epic arc thing a while back and it was long and slow, and the reward at the end was rather a joke. IMHO
Please don't feel I am bashing EVE. I just wish there was more two player content. Something that I can call over my friend's house and say "hay, lets hop on EVE and do .... .... for an hour." And feel like we accomplished something. |
Orlacc
699
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Posted - 2014.12.27 18:25:19 -
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Get your friend and head into low sec and do some hunting. Just fly around looking for mischief. I guarantee after your first kills you will kick yourself for not starting sooner. I was once like you.
Endless play with mindless, predictable NPCs would certainly get boring.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
763
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Posted - 2014.12.27 18:25:35 -
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Iron Breaker wrote:Tried to do incursions, but it seems like you have to know the right people to be able to get in on one.
I just feel what the game is lacking is content that allows a two player group to go out and do something together.
Missions get repetitive and as your skills increase to easy. Incursions require a large group. Complexes can take rather a long time to scan down and often have little or no reward, and you really don't need a friend to help. The escalation missions were interesting, but they come along so seldom they are not the kind of thing you can just call up your friend and go do one. PvP although somewhat interesting, is not really my thing. I asked around about faction war but no one seems to do much with it, or understand the point of it. I did the epic arc thing a while back and it was long and slow, and the reward at the end was rather a joke. IMHO
Please don't feel I am bashing EVE. I just wish there was more two player content. Something that I can call over my friend's house and say "hay, lets hop on EVE and do .... .... for an hour." And feel like we accomplished something.
That's not true at all, there are plenty of public incursion fleets.
Complexes are easy enough to scan down, finding them in high sec where 90% of the population live is a bit harder though.
Plenty of people do faction warfare, but as it's pvp related you probably wouldn't care much for it.
Level 4 epic arcs have quite a few hundred million isk rewards as well as storyline modules worth several hundreds of millions of isk.
Honestly it just seems you've done no tangible research on the matter.
My final tip to you is: get out of highsec, you're playing 2% of the game there. |
Iron Breaker
420 Enterprises. TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
14
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Posted - 2014.12.27 18:54:07 -
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What makes you think I am in high sec? I am out in null sec running drone hordes and dodging WH fleets.
The problem I have is when my friend logs on and I am willing to clone jump back to High sec, or switch to my alt, there is not much, (or so it seems) for us to do together.
As far as the epic arc goes, I don't really care about money, I have 5 bill and nothing to do with it, and the scanner probe you get for the Minmarter Epic was a big shoulder shrug as far as I'm concerned.
I also did the Sisters of EVE one, for the probe launcher, again, shrug. |
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bloodknight2
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2014.12.27 21:06:03 -
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What about doing lv4 using destroyers? Should add a bit of challenge... |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
580
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Posted - 2014.12.27 21:50:28 -
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The minmatar epic arc does have a worse reward than the others, this is true.
People assumed highsec because you said you didn't like PVP.
What about WH sites? C3 or C4 sites can definitely benefit from having two people, and if you do a bit of preparation before running sites you're mostly safe. |
Iron Breaker
420 Enterprises. TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
14
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Posted - 2014.12.27 23:26:41 -
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I looked into WH and have stuck my nose into a few just to look around, but how are me, and my buddy, supposed to log on with only an hour or two to play, scan down all the WH we need, dodge PvP'ers and still have time to do a site?
The more I think about it, the more what Tsukino Stareine said sticks in my mind, If 90% of the people live in high sec, and do not want to bother with PvP, why does CCP spend so much time (or so it seems) developing PvP content?
Just an observation, but before I went on break for the last six months, the server population when I logged on was often 50-60 thousand, now days it is barley 20 thousand...
I can't help but wonder if the lack of high-sec content has something to do with that.
'Lack' is likely to strong a word, but in the context of looking for something my buddy and myself can do in an hour, and feel like we accomplished something it is fairly accurate. |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
764
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Posted - 2014.12.27 23:36:46 -
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eve isn't an instant gratification game, sorry to say that if you're looking for a good high in only 2 hours playing eve: pvp is going to be the way forward.
Like honestly, what other kinds of games grant you a sense of accomplishment within 2 hours? First person shooters come to mind, eve isn't a fps funnily enough.
You could pair up with your buddy and roam wormholes together and do some exploration, that's profitable and can be exciting, but again that depends if other players are involved.
Honestly, this whole game is based around the whole premise you're always at risk of being blown up by another player. If that's not your thing....then I don't know why you're playing eve. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1299
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Posted - 2014.12.28 01:06:05 -
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If your in null already just run some 10/10s.
The Maze should keep you occupied. |
Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2014.12.28 02:59:11 -
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High sec is the newb area. But hey I heard a new space game of an instanced PVE type just came out. Forget the name. Maybe you and your chum would like that. You and he can play without all the nasty "other people." |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
615
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Posted - 2014.12.28 03:28:27 -
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burner mission it's Frigate only missions u get randomly from L4 agents. iirc.
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
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Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
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Posted - 2014.12.28 04:35:36 -
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Iron Breaker wrote:I looked into WH and have stuck my nose into a few just to look around, but how are me, and my buddy, supposed to log on with only an hour or two to play, scan down all the WH we need, dodge PvP'ers and still have time to do a site? An hour or two is plenty of time to do this, as long as you understand that there may be days where you may not be able to do anything if the risk is too high. However, you'd definitely want an extra account or two each in order to have scouts watching WH entrances or things like that.
As for the general lack of content for highsec players--it's a bit of a vicious cycle. Highsec players don't stick around for a long time, due to lack of content. Because highsec players don't stick around for a long time in general, CCP doesn't see their retention as highsec players as being important, so doesn't provide more content for them. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8060
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:21:24 -
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they are called players and are in abundance, thats what you need to go after for a challenge in eve
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Iron Breaker
420 Enterprises. TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
14
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:33:04 -
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You make a good point about the high sec vicious cycle. I suppose it makes sense that the game makers focus on content for advanced players. I'm just offering some feed back that perhaps its time to relook at some upper end high sec content. Would it be so bad if , once a week, you could go to you faction home word and get a mission that requires two players and at the end of the missions you get a choice of a cool piece of gear (not a lame ass scanner probe) or a bunch of L.P. Would that really break the game? |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8064
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:55:19 -
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Iron Breaker wrote:You make a good point about the high sec vicious cycle. I suppose it makes sense that the game makers focus on content for advanced players. I'm just offering some feed back that perhaps its time to relook at some upper end high sec content. Would it be so bad if , once a week, you could go to you faction home word and get a mission that requires two players and at the end of the missions you get a choice of a cool piece of gear (not a lame ass scanner probe) or a bunch of L.P. Would that really break the game? once a week, get a friend to scan down a mission runner, you go in in an assault frigate and try and steal his mission item.
if he agresses, try kill his battleship with your frigate.
boom, done.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:04:02 -
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Get a few more friends, try and run normal l4s in frigates (use logi frigs). Or the other suggestions in this thread. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
799
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Posted - 2014.12.28 08:34:14 -
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l4 are boring w or w/o friend they are designed when ppl used analog phones they are not meant to be done over and over again despite that being their only function in game...farming.
so missions are pretty much dead end in your fun to time ratio you can try incursions and rly give it a try it is whole different ballpark and will keep you and your friend occupied for a n amount of time.
income is also high and constant that you will start thinking of doing other stuff like camping gates in low sec killing unfortunate sobs and blobbing ppl 10 to 1 like all this forum pro pvp ers here.
but what you truly looking for as in dynamic and evolving game pvp or pve you will not find atm you have blue sec that is drowning it its own poo and garbage pvp everywhere else.
and until devs recognize that in order to have a good car polishing windshield is not only thing you need to do it will chug along that way. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1299
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Posted - 2014.12.28 11:11:04 -
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Iron Breaker wrote:You make a good point about the high sec vicious cycle. I suppose it makes sense that the game makers focus on content for advanced players. I'm just offering some feed back that perhaps its time to relook at some upper end high sec content. Would it be so bad if , once a week, you could go to you faction home word and get a mission that requires two players and at the end of the missions you get a choice of a cool piece of gear (not a lame ass scanner probe) or a bunch of L.P. Would that really break the game?
If you read the dev blog that is what the burner missions were meant to be. Challenging level IV frigate missions that need a team to defeat.
Of course people soon worked them out and now solo them in bling fit pirate frigates :D
However that is beside the point, the burners were a test for just that sort of high challenge content and if successful there was suggestions that eventually we would get cruiser versions and perhaps larger. |
Abyss Azizora
Temporary Corp 12
138
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Posted - 2014.12.28 12:48:06 -
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Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:Get a few more friends, try and run normal l4s in frigates (use logi frigs). Or the other suggestions in this thread.
Can confirm this is a lot of fun, we even did a level 5 once with 40 or so T1 frigs. :) |
Iron Breaker
420 Enterprises. TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
14
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Posted - 2014.12.28 13:44:34 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:l4 are boring w or w/o friend they ware designed when ppl still used analog phones they are not meant to be done over and over again despite that being their only function in game...farming.
so missions are pretty much dead end in your fun to time ratio you can try incursions and rly give it a try it is whole different ballpark and will keep you and your friend occupied for a n amount of time.
income is also high and constant that you will start thinking of doing other stuff like camping gates in low sec killing unfortunate sobs and blobbing ppl 10 to 1 like all this forum pro pvp ers here.
but what you truly looking for as in dynamic and evolving game pvp or pve you will not find atm you have blue sec that is drowning it its own poo and garbage pvp everywhere else.
and until devs recognize that in order to have a good car polishing windshield is not only thing you need to do it will chug along that way.
I tend to agree. They keep putting more and more lipstick on the same old pig. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
43301
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:09:24 -
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bloodknight2 wrote:What about doing lv4 using destroyers? Should add a bit of challenge...
Abyss Azizora wrote:Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:Get a few more friends, try and run normal l4s in frigates (use logi frigs). Or the other suggestions in this thread. Can confirm this is a lot of fun, we even did a level 5 once with 40 or so T1 frigs. :) This 100%.
Seems to me the OP totally bypassed this bit of advice. I know people who solo level 4 encounter missions in Assault Frigates. Hell, I use to solo level 3 encounter missions in a T1 Frigate. Course I had Deadspace / Faction fit but even then I was hard pressed to complete the missions within the bonus time limit.
The thing about this game - CCP provides the material but it's up to the player to create the content, meaning if level 4 missions are too easy and boring for you and your friend then try doing them in smaller class ships.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1300
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:31:10 -
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There is actually a lot of people who want the PvE missions removed entirely instead of expanded. The idea being that a true sandbox should not have themepark content like missions at all. Same with incursions.
CCP seems to be sitting on the fence, not expanding mission content much (just the burners) but not deleting it either. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
43348
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Posted - 2014.12.29 08:20:11 -
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OK, those people who want PvE content removed are just a small majority. PvE content is more than just Missions and Incursions, it also includes Exploration as well as Factional Warfare NPC's. Might as well include Planetary Interaction too.
According to the CCP Dev's I talked to at the CCP Eve Meet in Hollywood earlier this year, the majority of the playerbase engages in PvE content.
Removing PvE content will basically destroy the game.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
216
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Posted - 2014.12.29 12:35:56 -
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Iron Breaker wrote: 'Lack' is likely to strong a word, but in the context of looking for something my buddy and myself can do in an hour, and feel like we accomplished something it is fairly accurate.
There are those who will cry "Eve is not for instant gratification", however, there are the days when I also am time- constrained and feel there should be more to do with a tighter time budget.
In null you do a few jumps, scan around and if there's a site... you'll never have it done within the time. so, with not enough time, not much point to try to PVE in Null. |
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