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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27790
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:04:08 -
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You've won what? All we see from you are words Scope Werks had more evidence of action in 3 weeks than you have this entire time. I mean look at you kb. It's a joke. Your group has no quickly identified culture or identity. Literally all I've seen is talk. Talk that undoes a lot of work actual competent NPC corp groups have done.
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:20:25 -
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Anslo wrote:You've won what? All we see from you are words Scope Werks had more evidence of action in 3 weeks than you have this entire time. I mean look at you kb. It's a joke. Your group has no quickly identified culture or identity. Literally all I've seen is talk. Talk that undoes a lot of work actual competent NPC corp groups have done.
understood
-If you are running off kill boards then you have missed the point Anslo ...your scope is limited
-We do everything...even if it cost us to do it indy pvp ganking antiganking trade Market manipulation
-We create content and this requires not only pvp but all streams of eve play
-and if I was honest I had to tackle some pretty massive trust issues with in the Scope before this could form due to you and norek
-I build them up and continue to do so despite the Mercurial nature of their existence
-it is words because I am still gathering force if you would like to see the oft time awesome failures then by all means throw an alt
-My issue with you has been solely youre scaring off decent pvpers from the project who could get my people up and running and of course Norek
-Norek has left and will not return I have learned immensely from him so it was not in ill faith
-Sometime you have to learn from the "darkside" in order to effectively wield the "light"
so yes I believe I have won
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27794
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:45:43 -
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Again. Words. There's no substance. Nothing. Just talk. Been this way a few months now. If anything you won the title of biggest joke. If you've ~won~, you wouldn't need to brag about **** you've done. Your actions would stand testimate enough.
Also lol scaring off. I'm not in any channel of yours nor do I interact with people. A demonstratable fact. So yeah. You're full of ****.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8061
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:49:18 -
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seriously, just join a corp already.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27794
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:54:41 -
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Shut up Ralph.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8062
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:57:12 -
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NEVEAAAAAAAR!
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:31:44 -
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Anslo wrote:Again. Words. There's no substance. Nothing. Just talk. Been this way a few months now. If anything you won the title of biggest joke. If you've ~won~, you wouldn't need to brag about **** you've done. Your actions would stand testimate enough.
Also lol scaring off. I'm not in any channel of yours nor do I interact with people. A demonstrable fact. So yeah. You're full of ****.
Understood
till then then
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:33:01 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:seriously, just join a corp already. Anslo wrote: the title of biggest joke. belongs to veers "blood & feathers" belvar , not this guy.
Nevarrrr!!
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
241
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:58:02 -
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Its pretty bad when your competition (me) has to give you advice on how to get things going........... either way I'm not complaining about something to challenge us... I dunno about everyone, but a little competition should make things interesting. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18968
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:38:07 -
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Vapor Ventrillian wrote: For Final Note- our Progress so far...
-over 300 interested...10 % active and growing -8 protectorate corps including taxhaven corps -Almost daily roams for low sec NPSI(when Fc chooses) -5mining systems with orca boosts (when orca pilot online and interested) -advances in self reliant industry trading -explorers gathering Intel on peep movement in an increasing sphere monitoring of a number of wormholes for strikes and raids -Comms are up and functional
Gonna need to see some proof.
Wait.. is this C&P?
Nope.
Yep, were gonna need to see some proof.
Nothing personal, just not one person is going to take the word of a NPC Forum alt.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1968
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Posted - 2014.12.28 08:19:49 -
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I read this entire thread.
Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
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Serene Repose
1924
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Posted - 2014.12.28 09:26:53 -
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I think I see what you're getting at, and I appreciate the spirit behind the intent (or ambition). HOWEVER <--- (BIG "however") COMMA Unfortunately, if you intend to function as a military organization...or say an organization that intends to make visible progress without undue frittering away of resources, you'll need a management structure which exercises decisive authority. Your first option away from this is the good old committee. We air it out then vote. What do we get when we make a horse by committee? A camel!
If you intend to have a name, and a bunch of people who claim the name, and put it on their T-shirts, without any attendant activity requiring a quality-controlled standard of performance, then yeah, everyone can move into a great big house and be artists together. The fact is, rank structure and hierarchy of authority isn't there so some people can pretend to be more important than others, and get to indulge in ordering people around. People with experience in these types of activities - operations which results are not to be in question - understand the role of a command structure.
People with little or no such experience, and especially young and immature people who are busy in life bridling at authority of all sort and manner, don't really understand the structural importance of solid lines of authority and decision making processes. They usually are the sorts who clamor for a group doing a thing, only there's nobody in charge, etc.
Your set of proposals seem to be of the latter ilk. Therefore, I find it difficult to respond to your suggestion/request directly. Rather (as you can see), I'm inclined to be critical of it due to its vagueness and accompanying obvious characteristics which tend to hint at what will be transpiring despite anyone's best intentions.
TYVM Have a nice day.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.12.28 11:08:40 -
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I suppose then ladies and gentleman at the end of the day its up to the actions made from this point on but i will finish with this...
why cant the Illusion of one ease the real burden of the other
you have all been very insightful and i have taken a great deal from this thread
Thank you
Vapor
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Conference Elite CODE.
1299
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Posted - 2014.12.28 11:46:00 -
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I guess I shouldn't be suprised at how negative the responses are here, they mostly describe my response when I first met Vapor in NPC corp chat. I must say, I am pleasantly surprised by his limited success, and his diplomacy over comms has been much better than in text.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27819
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Posted - 2014.12.28 14:31:35 -
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That's because you shouldn't treat NPC corps like a formal business. NPC corp duders are there to avoid that crap. They just want to have fun not be dictated at by a nutter. Leadership is earned by the people giving you it , not by decree. One who calls themself a leader but who has no one to lead is nothing more than a failure.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5221
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Posted - 2014.12.28 14:44:43 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:its Christmas dude, winter is ****ing here.
Ralph, it could also be like 6 months away if you are living in the DEEP DEEP south.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5221
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Posted - 2014.12.28 14:45:38 -
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Vapor Ventrillian wrote:hehehehe ...dandruff..uncle Topic please gentlemen...im getting in trouble.. the devs think im trolling
Uhm
NPC character...GD...
You are by that definition already trolling.
Even more with the topics started.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5221
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Posted - 2014.12.28 14:49:15 -
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Vapor Ventrillian wrote:And why does an idea have to baked at all?
I place ideas in the forums in order to give the Forummers a chance to bring their experience to my concepts as I am a relatively young player...and many have help do so my thanks to them
My Idea has an end destination but the way their is a windy path.. the more raw data you give me the more inevitable the end goal becomes
as for originality...
it is difficult in a game as old and Popular as this one to not be able to draw lines between former ideas that have been started in the past. I can assure you this at oft times convoluted queries are working towards a scheme that is indeed original and id rather it was not blocked before I can set it in place
Thankyou I will have a look at the concepts of red vs blue and faction warfare mechanics in order to counter some issues I have arising
Vapor
Or...just make a corp and don't hide in a NPC one and be the proclaimed leader (biggest sign of being a dictator yourself, saying you are a leader of people that didn't chose you to do be the leader).
So, you wnat my opinion?
Your idea sucks.
And you should stop posting.
p.s. reopening a thread that was locked under a different name is still reopening a locked thread and thus forbidden.
IB4TL.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5221
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Posted - 2014.12.28 14:53:28 -
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Vapor Ventrillian wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Least from my understanding (I wasn't with scope works when any of this happened i was in minmatar militia and then cfc thus don't know every small detail) they started out as a channel, "scope werks," that did what you were talking about doing. With a underlying goal of stopping gate camps in huola and other places around there. Pretty much how your trying to start , with somewhat of a goal set. What is your set goal? Shooting for the moons great and all but dreams don't build empires, small steps do. Figure out exactly why your fighting and someone will come. It has already begun We are Sitting at over 300 intrestested...about 10% active participation and growing roams are occurring almost daily depending on a available Fc mining systems are up and operation based on the orca pilot and whether he would like to boost we have 8 corps in our protectorate...small ones linked up for the chance of me directing peeps to them Full srp guaranteed on the roams The End objective Cannot be disclosed as it could be blocked be the target in question
hahah. made up numbers are still made up....
Proof or didn't happen.
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Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
582
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Posted - 2014.12.28 16:29:11 -
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Given the title of the thread, I would like to open discussions of myself or my corp receiving royalties from any money you make. |
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Winter Archipelago
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2014.12.28 17:18:15 -
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I'll never understand this "Winter is Coming" stuff. I've been here for three years!
Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Mods, Ships, and Dolls.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Conference Elite CODE.
1300
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Posted - 2014.12.28 21:48:58 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:I'll never understand this "Winter is Coming" stuff. I've been here for three years! Obviously he was worried that you might post in this thread. You have proved him right.
J'Poll wrote:Vapor Ventrillian wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Least from my understanding (I wasn't with scope works when any of this happened i was in minmatar militia and then cfc thus don't know every small detail) they started out as a channel, "scope werks," that did what you were talking about doing. With a underlying goal of stopping gate camps in huola and other places around there. Pretty much how your trying to start , with somewhat of a goal set. What is your set goal? Shooting for the moons great and all but dreams don't build empires, small steps do. Figure out exactly why your fighting and someone will come. It has already begun We are Sitting at over 300 intrestested...about 10% active participation and growing roams are occurring almost daily depending on a available Fc mining systems are up and operation based on the orca pilot and whether he would like to boost we have 8 corps in our protectorate...small ones linked up for the chance of me directing peeps to them Full srp guaranteed on the roams The End objective Cannot be disclosed as it could be blocked be the target in question hahah. made up numbers are still made up.... Proof or didn't happen. You're welcome to join us J'Poll. We're quite good at losing ships.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
27862
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Posted - 2014.12.28 21:49:31 -
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J'Poll wrote:Vapor Ventrillian wrote:And why does an idea have to baked at all?
I place ideas in the forums in order to give the Forummers a chance to bring their experience to my concepts as I am a relatively young player...and many have help do so my thanks to them
My Idea has an end destination but the way their is a windy path.. the more raw data you give me the more inevitable the end goal becomes
as for originality...
it is difficult in a game as old and Popular as this one to not be able to draw lines between former ideas that have been started in the past. I can assure you this at oft times convoluted queries are working towards a scheme that is indeed original and id rather it was not blocked before I can set it in place
Thankyou I will have a look at the concepts of red vs blue and faction warfare mechanics in order to counter some issues I have arising
Vapor Or...just make a corp and don't hide in a NPC one and be the proclaimed leader (biggest sign of being a dictator yourself, saying you are a leader of people that didn't chose you to do be the leader). So, you wnat my opinion? Your idea sucks. And you should stop posting. p.s. reopening a thread that was locked under a different name is still reopening a locked thread and thus forbidden. IB4TL. No. Vapor is bad. The idea is good and can work. Case in point. CAS. Scope Werks. We don't hide in NPC corps. People hide from us.
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
895
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:47:29 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:I'm not saying that. Many people reinvent the wheel, how's yours different? The tread? Then show us why the tread grips better. See the point I'm trying to make? Why is your idea different? Where are the examples of it working better? Start small, "hey look what can be done with 10 people, this is why you should go with my idea." Do that and you'll have more success.
I have a new wheel I would like everyone to try out. Here's what's awesome about it: it grips the ground so well it practically can't move. It achieves this traction, in part, by being square.
But I'm quite certain that after we overcome the square-ness and the not-moving-ness of the concept, it will really be very popular. It will "take off" so to speak . . . after it achieves mobility, of course.
In seriousness, I think it's a bit unfair to suggest that all ideas start small and grow. Though I don't have a lot of faith in this one. Very large groups of people working together, like goons or whatever group you don't like, take large groups of people working together.
I don't think there's a small version of a concept that you can grow into an idea that could take on Prov. It's a big, powerful group of people. You need big powerful ideas to attract a big enough bunch of people to start off on that path.
In principle, I don't think the forums are such a terrible place to start these kind of ideas.
Some of our greatest forums warriors could do a lot to influence the game.
Actually, this gives me an idea. BRB.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:43:28 -
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Heya Peeps
It is hard to prove its worth until you have all seen its effect and so i will honor Jpolls request and i will not post on the forums again.
I will make a final post thanking those whose criticism was constructive and useful to me
I am Leader simply because their are those who are bored enough to follow...
-it will work
-it is already working
i have enjoyed my time here testing the concept to its theoretical extension
o7
Vapor
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.04 02:53:19 -
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And I of course fully support Bebops Comment...we are great at losing ships in an often hilarious fashion
We at the project are about creating epic moments not massive returns...though im sure as a blue beaver not against them
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Keno Skir
717
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Posted - 2015.01.04 06:33:38 -
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I see you there NPC messiah, sniveling up at me from under the slimy rock of the NPC corps protection. You want the respect of a leader, crawl out into the sun where the real men stand and show us what you're really made of. If you were in a player corp you'd at least command the basic minimal respect everyone else gets who isn't hiding like a droopy armed child in the NPC.
You're a bit like a copycat James315 except you're crap at publicity and not funny
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2015.01.04 08:25:05 -
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Keno Skir wrote:I see you there NPC messiah, sniveling up at me from under the slimy rock of the NPC corps protection. You want the respect of a leader, crawl out into the sun where the real men stand and show us what you're really made of. If you were in a player corp you'd at least command the basic minimal respect everyone else gets who isn't hiding like a droopy armed child in the NPC. You're a bit like a copycat James315 except you're crap at publicity and not funny
You may be right but if you think that a corp rank gives you immediate respect then you have no idea how respect works
Fly safe buddy
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Scope Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.04 09:35:03 -
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Is this still a thing? |
Keno Skir
721
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:31:19 -
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Vapor Ventrillian wrote:Keno Skir wrote:I see you there NPC messiah, sniveling up at me from under the slimy rock of the NPC corps protection. You want the respect of a leader, crawl out into the sun where the real men stand and show us what you're really made of. If you were in a player corp you'd at least command the basic minimal respect everyone else gets who isn't hiding like a droopy armed child in the NPC. You're a bit like a copycat James315 except you're crap at publicity and not funny You may be right but if you think that a corp rank gives you immediate respect then you have no idea how respect works Fly safe buddy
I said nothing about rank, just things about hiding vs being a big boy
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