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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4277
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Posted - 2015.01.03 14:43:27 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:So I see Veers is displaying his usual knowledge of game mechanics then.
On a more on topic note I've had a realisation recently about why I like CODE., it's because they actually go out and do stuff. Most Agers I see out there seem to have big ideas and big talk but no concept of how to put it into action, hence they end up doing nothing and achieving nothing. Whether you agree with their ideas or not at least CODE is out there creating content for its members and an entertaining read for those who frequent its website, which is more than I can say for any AGer that's popped up so far. There actually have been a couple of anti-gankers that are proactive. Many of them change sides. A lot of that is due to just how toxic a sizeable part of the anti-ganking community are. I've only ever seen that side of the AG community in the channel extracts posted on minerbumping so I cant really speak from experience there. Out of curiosity just how bad is it? Is it just a few individuals spoiling the pot or more of a general channel culture?
My spies left in disgust.
It's not that every individual is foul, it's that there is a culture of tolerating foul individuals, people that post serious RL ill-wishes upon gankers and worse (e.g. 'XXX is ganking in Hek, hope that **** gets cancer and dies IRL'). There's also the continual 'advice' to newbies saying they should petition ganks as harassment, and anyone that informs them that ganking isn't harassment according to CCP will get kicked from channel.
I'm not sure if it is still that bad, I don't have any spies in there now. I'd put one back in if I considered the people in there competent enough to warrant it.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1131
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Posted - 2015.01.03 14:44:13 -
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As this is not only EVE, but also C&P, all I can suggest is that you listen in for yourself for a while and make a decision based off of your own observations. Anyone who speaks up here will have a bias. Even me. Most especially you should not trust me.
It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
640
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Posted - 2015.01.03 16:06:31 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:So I see Veers is displaying his usual knowledge of game mechanics then.
On a more on topic note I've had a realisation recently about why I like CODE., it's because they actually go out and do stuff. Most Agers I see out there seem to have big ideas and big talk but no concept of how to put it into action, hence they end up doing nothing and achieving nothing. Whether you agree with their ideas or not at least CODE is out there creating content for its members and an entertaining read for those who frequent its website, which is more than I can say for any AGer that's popped up so far. There actually have been a couple of anti-gankers that are proactive. Many of them change sides. A lot of that is due to just how toxic a sizeable part of the anti-ganking community are. I've only ever seen that side of the AG community in the channel extracts posted on minerbumping so I cant really speak from experience there. Out of curiosity just how bad is it? Is it just a few individuals spoiling the pot or more of a general channel culture? My spies left in disgust. It's not that every individual is foul, it's that there is a culture of tolerating foul individuals, people that post serious RL ill-wishes upon gankers and worse (e.g. 'XXX is ganking in Hek, hope that **** gets cancer and dies IRL'). There's also the continual 'advice' to newbies saying they should petition ganks as harassment, and anyone that informs them that ganking isn't harassment according to CCP will get kicked from channel. I'm not sure if it is still that bad, I don't have any spies in there now. I'd put one back in if I considered the people in there competent enough to warrant it.
How......lovely (my life for a sarcasm font). Suppose I'll have to hold my nose and check it out myself.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
53
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Posted - 2015.01.03 16:41:20 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote: Hey Revis thanks for putting your permit holders in your bio, its alot easier finding targets that way. . .
If you can gank them, they're not Code compliant. Be my guest. You'll be doing good work. They purchased a permit, not babysitting. Dry your tears and get back on topic. So, you're incapable of enforcing your own code. Good to know. I belive the topic at hand was a war on gankers but looks like that will be unnecessary with quality agents like yourself roaming the belts.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
94
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Posted - 2015.01.03 17:01:49 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:I belive the topic at hand was a war on gankers but looks like that will be unnecessary . . .
Looking at CODE. killboard, your beliefs are wrong. You should stop crying because it made your keyboard slippery and you missed an "e" in "belive".
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
53
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Posted - 2015.01.03 21:08:35 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:I belive the topic at hand was a war on gankers but looks like that will be unnecessary . . . Looking at CODE. killboard, your beliefs are wrong. You should stop crying because it made your keyboard slippery and you missed an "e" in "belive". You should stop posting if your only response about your ineffectiveness as an agent is "tears" and "crying". Meanwhile all those pilots linked in your bio mining away happily afk. Keep on trucking brother and thanks for the spelling tip.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2684
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Posted - 2015.01.03 23:12:38 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:So I see Veers is displaying his usual knowledge of game mechanics then.
On a more on topic note I've had a realisation recently about why I like CODE., it's because they actually go out and do stuff. Most Agers I see out there seem to have big ideas and big talk but no concept of how to put it into action, hence they end up doing nothing and achieving nothing. Whether you agree with their ideas or not at least CODE is out there creating content for its members and an entertaining read for those who frequent its website, which is more than I can say for any AGer that's popped up so far. There actually have been a couple of anti-gankers that are proactive. Many of them change sides. A lot of that is due to just how toxic a sizeable part of the anti-ganking community are. I've only ever seen that side of the AG community in the channel extracts posted on minerbumping so I cant really speak from experience there. Out of curiosity just how bad is it? Is it just a few individuals spoiling the pot or more of a general channel culture?
Confirmed.
Start posting a somewhat "exclusive" and/or "involves effort" idea, and the powers that be in the channel start a commotion that you're telling them how to play, or a CODE/ganker alt, or that you should do it instead, or that you're a nobody to AG (i.e. you're not whoring on CONCORD KMs) so why should they even let you finish voicing the idea (much less listen to it)
Protip to them ... the newbro in channel without any "community props" can have a good idea that you echo chamber / circlejerk may not have considered ... and they need your support/contacts/etc to make the thing viable.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4278
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Posted - 2015.01.03 23:42:28 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote: How......lovely (my life for a sarcasm font). Suppose I'll have to hold my nose and check it out myself.
Try it out. Like I said, even though I supported CODE at the time, I thought what we said about AG was pure propaganda until I went in there.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics CODE.
268
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Posted - 2015.01.04 00:01:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ForTheEmpire2014 wrote:Don't even bother. It's not worth it. Go make your own content, instead of being loyalanon's punching bag.
If CODE. wants to be treated with anything other than hostility, then ditch your ceo. You are all tainted by it (Kaarous logic is correct). You have lost your way ppl.
Tora is 100% on the mark. Why would they not want hostility? They literally beg for people to fight them, it's fun. Nevermind that, if you judge people by their enemies, then CODE is definitely doing something right. If carebears hate you, then you're probably on the right track. They beg for people to fight them? Are they too scared of lowsec and null to have to beg for fights in highsec
The idea that you should go to null or low sec if you want to fight other players is why the New Order was created.
We want to change that. To show that PvP can happen anywhere and no region of Eve is completely safe. |
Paranoid Loyd
3367
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Posted - 2015.01.04 00:02:35 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote: How......lovely (my life for a sarcasm font). Suppose I'll have to hold my nose and check it out myself.
Try it out. Like I said, even though I supported CODE at the time, I thought what we said about AG was pure propaganda until I went in there. Yeah it was funny for about 10 minutes then you realize the people are 100% serious with their vitrol spew and you leave in disgust.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 00:46:22 -
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People are unhappy in AG because they are trying to play a collaborative and friendly game in lawful fashion in highsec, when people come in and blow them up for tears and amusement. It's kind of rich to complain that people are "toxic" after you blow up their ships with the specific intention of causing rage and tears. If you don't want people to get angry at you, stop intentionally acting in such a manner as to induce that anger. |
Leto Thule
Obsidian Cadre
1874
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:00:09 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:People are unhappy in AG because they are trying to play a collaborative and friendly game in lawful fashion in highsec, when people come in and blow them up for tears and amusement. It's kind of rich to complain that people are "toxic" after you blow up their ships with the specific intention of causing rage and tears. If you don't want people to get angry at you, stop intentionally acting in such a manner as to induce that anger.
Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know this.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:04:34 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:If you don't want people to get angry at you, stop intentionally acting in such a manner as to induce that anger. By your own metric, you should stop posting on the forums
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:06:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:People are unhappy in AG because they are trying to play a collaborative and friendly game in lawful fashion in highsec, when people come in and blow them up for tears and amusement. It's kind of rich to complain that people are "toxic" after you blow up their ships with the specific intention of causing rage and tears. If you don't want people to get angry at you, stop intentionally acting in such a manner as to induce that anger. Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know this.
Completely false. How much conflict do highsec miners face? Eve is intended to be played in any way you wish. Some seek conflict, others seek peaceful endeavors. |
Velicitia
XS Tech
2687
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:09:04 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:...in lawful fashion...
NBSI shall be the whole of the law.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Leto Thule
Obsidian Cadre
1874
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:14:34 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:People are unhappy in AG because they are trying to play a collaborative and friendly game in lawful fashion in highsec, when people come in and blow them up for tears and amusement. It's kind of rich to complain that people are "toxic" after you blow up their ships with the specific intention of causing rage and tears. If you don't want people to get angry at you, stop intentionally acting in such a manner as to induce that anger. Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know this. Completely false. How much conflict do highsec miners face? Eve is intended to be played in any way you wish. Some seek conflict, others seek peaceful endeavors.
I'm going to log on in a few hours and seek conflict with someone who wants to avoid it. By your definition, I'm allowed to do that.
Stop trolling.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:15:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Completely false. How much conflict do highsec miners face? Eve is intended to be played in any way you wish. Some seek conflict, others seek peaceful endeavors. Highsec miners face conflict in many ways, here's a non exhaustive list for your viewing pleasure.
- Gankers kill them
- Market competition
- Locust fleets nomming their way through Ice Anoms, depriving other players of said ice
- Locust fleets nomming their way through asteroid belts, leaving little if anything for anybody else
- Other miners nomming on the same rocks as them and wasting their cycles (I especially like doing this in my Procurer, I can out mine the average Retriever pilot even taking into account the downtime spent warping backwards and forwards to station)
- People like me providing warpins for gankers, all the while nomming on rocks or ice.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2687
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:22:48 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: peaceful endeavors.
Didn't some famous guy once say something like "he who wants peace should prepare for war" ?
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:26:11 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Completely false. How much conflict do highsec miners face? Eve is intended to be played in any way you wish. Some seek conflict, others seek peaceful endeavors. Highsec miners face conflict in many ways, here's a non exhaustive list for your viewing pleasure.
- Gankers kill them
- Market competition
- Locust fleets nomming their way through Ice Anoms, depriving other players of said ice
- Locust fleets nomming their way through asteroid belts, leaving little if anything for anybody else
- Other miners nomming on the same rocks as them and wasting their cycles (I especially like doing this in my Procurer, I can out mine the average Retriever pilot even taking into account the downtime spent warping backwards and forwards to station)
- People like me providing warpins for gankers, all the while nomming on rocks or ice.
This is still a minimal level of conflict. The chances of a highsec miner being prevented from mining on any given day are a fraction of a percent. I call tell you that in months of mission running completing hundreds, perhaps thousands, of missions, I faced a grand total of 2 PvP interactions from mission griefers, both of whom waited for me to shoot at them, got bored, and left.
Does that seem like much conflict to you? |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:26:51 -
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Velicitia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: peaceful endeavors. Didn't some famous guy once say something like "he who wants peace should prepare for war" ? Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus wrote: Si vis pacem, para bellum
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Velicitia
XS Tech
2687
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:29:21 -
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Yeah, that's the one
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
144
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:29:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Completely false. How much conflict do highsec miners face? Eve is intended to be played in any way you wish. Some seek conflict, others seek peaceful endeavors. Highsec miners face conflict in many ways, here's a non exhaustive list for your viewing pleasure.
- Gankers kill them
- Market competition
- Locust fleets nomming their way through Ice Anoms, depriving other players of said ice
- Locust fleets nomming their way through asteroid belts, leaving little if anything for anybody else
- Other miners nomming on the same rocks as them and wasting their cycles (I especially like doing this in my Procurer, I can out mine the average Retriever pilot even taking into account the downtime spent warping backwards and forwards to station)
- People like me providing warpins for gankers, all the while nomming on rocks or ice.
This is still a minimal level of conflict. The chances of a highsec miner being prevented from mining on any given day are a fraction of a percent. I call tell you that in months of mission running completing hundreds, perhaps thousands, of missions, I faced a grand total of 2 PvP interactions from mission griefers, both of whom waited for me to shoot at them, got bored, and left. Does that seem like much conflict to you?
Question, do you salvage/loot those missions? do you use the LP from them? does this stuff make it to the player induced and mostly runned Markets? |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:32:02 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Completely false. How much conflict do highsec miners face? Eve is intended to be played in any way you wish. Some seek conflict, others seek peaceful endeavors. Highsec miners face conflict in many ways, here's a non exhaustive list for your viewing pleasure.
- Gankers kill them
- Market competition
- Locust fleets nomming their way through Ice Anoms, depriving other players of said ice
- Locust fleets nomming their way through asteroid belts, leaving little if anything for anybody else
- Other miners nomming on the same rocks as them and wasting their cycles (I especially like doing this in my Procurer, I can out mine the average Retriever pilot even taking into account the downtime spent warping backwards and forwards to station)
- People like me providing warpins for gankers, all the while nomming on rocks or ice.
This is still a minimal level of conflict. The chances of a highsec miner being prevented from mining on any given day are a fraction of a percent. I call tell you that in months of mission running completing hundreds, perhaps thousands, of missions, I faced a grand total of 2 PvP interactions from mission griefers, both of whom waited for me to shoot at them, got bored, and left. Does that seem like much conflict to you? Question, do you salvage/loot those missions? do you use the LP from them? does this stuff make it to the player induced and mostly runned Markets?
I outsource salvage/looting...no one is claiming that PvE doesn't have an impact on the market (though it would be possible to do everything solo, a manufactuer/miner/mission runner with no impact on the market....Wickard v. Filburn notwithstanding). All I am saying is that many players are not looking for ship to ship conflict. Their game consists of highsec pve against npc, and then interacting with other players through the market, not through combat. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:34:10 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:This is still a minimal level of conflict. Regardless of how minimal you think it is, it is still conflict
Quote:The chances of a highsec miner being prevented from mining on any given day are a fraction of a percent. Tell that to the hordes of tear filled miners who've been prevented from mining by the destruction of their ships at the hands of gankers, tell it to those miners who arrive at an ice anom or belt to find out that the locust fleets have beaten them to it and left diddly squat for them.
[quoteI call tell you that in months of mission running completing hundreds, perhaps thousands, of missions, I faced a grand total of 2 PvP interactions from mission griefers, both of whom waited for me to shoot at them, got bored, and left.[/quote] And then went and found someone dumb enough to shoot at them, by not shooting at them you played smart, congratulations on not being a total fool.
Quote:Does that seem like much conflict to you? Conflict is conflict, it is the engine that powers Eve.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
144
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:40:45 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
I outsource salvage/looting...no one is claiming that PvE doesn't have an impact on the market (though it would be possible to do everything solo, a manufactuer/miner/mission runner with no impact on the market....Wickard v. Filburn notwithstanding). All I am saying is that many players are not looking for ship to ship conflict. Their game consists of highsec pve against npc, and then interacting with other players through the market, not through combat.
Ah, ok that makes sense to outsource it....gives you some indirect protection. But it still creates conflict.
Now whether a dedicated combat/ganker group, or explorer, or those like me Indy....if that conflict is percieved to be a threat....then its Ok...in fact it is natural as in RL to stop that conflict by any means necessary....and that inevitably will lead to armed conflict. (content created)
Of course the reverse also is true...... Armed conflict to create a market for surplus goods where none of a certain is currently being sold. Sales Booms happen in small locales all the time this way. (content created)
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Mag's
the united
18471
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Posted - 2015.01.04 02:16:29 -
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Ahh the best one yet. Argues that Eve isn't a conflict filled game, by suggesting it has conflict.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2015.01.04 02:27:54 -
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Veers logic is an oxymoron, he's about as in touch with Eve reality as most politicians are with actual reality.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 02:34:08 -
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Missing the point. Conflict is minimal for the thousands who chose a highsec PvE lifestyle.... Eve is only a conflict filled game for those who seek out such conflict. |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
241
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:09:16 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Missing the point. Conflict is minimal for the thousands who chose a highsec PvE lifestyle.... Eve is only a conflict filled game for those who seek out such conflict.
Lol no its not veers, though nice bait comment
also
CCP Falcon wrote: Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?
CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.
If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.
Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
I believe that the message here is you should cry harder pls
A True Champion of High Security Space
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:11:17 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Missing the point. Conflict is minimal for the thousands who chose a highsec PvE lifestyle.... Eve is only a conflict filled game for those who seek out such conflict. On the contrary it is you who have missed the point, allow me to correct your incorrect assumptions with regard to the nature of conflict in Eve.
Direct conflict may be minimal for the thousands who chose a highsec PvE lifestyle.
Eve is a conflict filled game by design, it is inherent in every Eve activity regardless of whether or not you seek out such conflict.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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