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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:14:13 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Missing the point. Conflict is minimal for the thousands who chose a highsec PvE lifestyle.... Eve is only a conflict filled game for those who seek out such conflict.
Lol no its not veers, though nice bait comment also CCP Falcon wrote: Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?
CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.
If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.
Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
I believe that the message here is you should cry harder pls
Why should I cry? The gankers have 0 impact on my gameplay. I don't haul or mine, and I fly battleships with a lot of tank and the invincible space police to protect me. From my vantage point 90% of the crying is by gankers over a) the ease of winning wars through rolling corp and b) nerfs to ganking, crackdowns on bonus rooms, etc.... Are you a force to be reckoned with when blowing up new players, afk miners, and haulers who can't shoot back? Sure. Do you pose any threat at all to mission and incursion runners? Nope. |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
241
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:25:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Why should I cry? The gankers have 0 impact on my gameplay. I don't haul or mine, and I fly battleships with a lot of tank and the invincible space police to protect me. From my vantage point 90% of the crying is by gankers over a) the ease of winning wars through rolling corp and b) nerfs to ganking, crackdowns on bonus rooms, etc.... Are you a force to be reckoned with when blowing up new players, afk miners, and haulers who can't shoot back? Sure. Do you pose any threat at all to mission and incursion runners? Nope.
You are seriously deluded my friend.
You have countless posts about how we affect peoples gameplay, how its unfair screaming for nerfs, changes to mechanics the list goes on and on and on
However when you are told to cry harder, you then turn it around say it doesn't affect you.... Possibly not, with the amount of posts i would argue it does. Though more importantly you cant simply choose which angle you are arguing from to benefit yourself, unless of course you have a personality disorder, which with every post looks more and more possible.
Please stick to one line of argument please and stop changing back an fourth.
Thanks
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:29:22 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Why should I cry? The gankers have 0 impact on my gameplay. I don't haul or mine, and I fly battleships with a lot of tank and the invincible space police to protect me. From my vantage point 90% of the crying is by gankers over a) the ease of winning wars through rolling corp and b) nerfs to ganking, crackdowns on bonus rooms, etc.... Are you a force to be reckoned with when blowing up new players, afk miners, and haulers who can't shoot back? Sure. Do you pose any threat at all to mission and incursion runners? Nope.
You are seriously deluded my friend. You have countless posts about how we affect peoples gameplay, how its unfair screaming for nerfs, changes to mechanics the list goes on and on and on However when you are told to cry harder, you then turn it around say it doesn't affect you.... Possibly not, with the amount of posts i would argue it does. Though more importantly you cant simply choose which angle you are arguing from to benefit yourself, unless of course you have a personality disorder, which with every post looks more and more possible. Please stick to one line of argument please and stop changing back an fourth. Thanks
You hurt new/casual players...you certainly don't hurt me. You have 0 impact on my gameplay other than as a source of amusement. Do I object to bonus room stuff and other real life harassment? Sure. That stuff has no place in the game. Do I oppose the broken bumping mechanics you use to pin freighters down? Yep. But don't for a minute think that this is because these things affect me. They don't. Mission runners and incursion runners suffer no real impact from CODE. You stick to the newbros and avoid the better PvE players. |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
241
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:43:40 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
You hurt new/casual players...you certainly don't hurt me. You have 0 impact on my gameplay other than as a source of amusement. Do I object to bonus room stuff and other real life harassment? Sure. That stuff has no place in the game. Do I oppose the broken bumping mechanics you use to pin freighters down? Yep. But don't for a minute think that this is because these things affect me. They don't. Mission runners and incursion runners suffer no real impact from CODE. You stick to the newbros and avoid the better PvE players.
Any proof that we hurt new players, less that 25% of the total ganks CODE. do are to characters less that 3 months old. Infact if you ask any code. pilot they will go for the oldest player in the ice belt because they may have a larger pod.
The bonus room things, I disagree on. As well as the so called "victim" had publicly stated none should of been banned. Though keep brining it up if you like. If you wish to discuss further, you know our teamspeak.
Also there is a stick post about the bumping, which isn't broken, this has been said by the game developers. So you are wrong there again.
Again most incursion runners need to be at their computer or will be killed by the rats, so very rarley are afk, especially with the changes for multiboxing
Veers Belvar wrote:the better PvE players.
You aren't in this category friend. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. and if we do want to, we will go after incrusion runners, however as mentioned above, they are following the code by not being afk and excessively mining etc.
A True Champion of High Security Space
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
430
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Posted - 2015.01.04 04:23:50 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
You hurt new/casual players...you certainly don't hurt me. You have 0 impact on my gameplay other than as a source of amusement. Do I object to bonus room stuff and other real life harassment? Sure. That stuff has no place in the game. Do I oppose the broken bumping mechanics you use to pin freighters down? Yep. But don't for a minute think that this is because these things affect me. They don't. Mission runners and incursion runners suffer no real impact from CODE. You stick to the newbros and avoid the better PvE players.
Any proof that we hurt new players, less that 25% of the total ganks CODE. do are to characters less that 3 months old. Infact if you ask any code. pilot they will go for the oldest player in the ice belt because they may have a larger pod. The bonus room things, I disagree on. As well as the so called "victim" had publicly stated none should of been banned. Though keep brining it up if you like. If you wish to discuss further, you know our teamspeak. Also there is a stick post about the bumping, which isn't broken, this has been said by the game developers. So you are wrong there again. Again most incursion runners need to be at their computer or will be killed by the rats, so very rarley are afk, especially with the changes for multiboxing Veers Belvar wrote:the better PvE players. You aren't in this category friend. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. and if we do want to, we will go after incrusion runners, however as mentioned above, they are following the code by not being afk and excessively mining etc.
25% is a pretty staggering number....that's quite a welcome to Eve. From what I can tell Code just ganks whoever is convenient....note the terror in engaging mission and incursion runners.
And as for incursion runners being code compliant...hahhaha. According to you folks anyone without a permit is not code compliant.....not to mention what james315 himself claimed about incursion runners on minerbumping.com
"There is a plague infecting highsec. A disease which threatens to ruin us all. They're called incursion runners. These bot-aspirants equip themselves with decadent finery and go AFK in "safe spots" between isk-grinding sessions. Everyone knows that I have long opposed highsec incursion running. It's a grotesque risk/reward imbalance. If I were in charge of CCP, I would remove all incursions from highsec and neg-wallet every bot-aspirant who has ever profited from them. However, I do not run CCP. Therefore I only require that incursion runners purchase a mining permit and show total obedience to the Code. Fair enough?"
http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/kills-of-week_10.html
That's from your "savior." Empty threats and cluelessness about game mechanics, as per usual. 5 months later and 0 success in your anti-incursion campaign. Time to hang up your boots and call it a career? |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
241
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Posted - 2015.01.04 06:07:06 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:cluelessness about game mechanics,
Pot meet kettle
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Gorila Vengaza
The Conference Elite CODE.
121
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Posted - 2015.01.05 11:53:35 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:cluelessness about game mechanics, Pot meet kettle
As I'm rather new to the EVE forums this is what Ive noticed. Veers argues his points no matter how damn silly they are and hopes to get every thread he posts in locked. It's his only way of being effective in anything having to do with the game itself.
Think Im gonna just block him as Moose's suggested. Veers is a lost cause.... |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
432
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Posted - 2015.01.05 13:04:53 -
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Gorila Vengaza wrote:412nv Yaken wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:cluelessness about game mechanics, Pot meet kettle As I'm rather new to the EVE forums this is what Ive noticed. Veers argues his points no matter how damn silly they are and hopes to get every thread he posts in locked. It's his only way of being effective in anything having to do with the game itself. Think Im gonna just block him as Moose's suggested. Veers is a lost cause....
That you disagree does not make my points silly. Feel free to block, happy to have nothing to do with code griefers |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2015.01.05 17:25:02 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:That you disagree does not make my points silly. Feel free to block, happy to have nothing to do with code griefers You're right in that disagreeing with your points doesn't make them silly; what does make them silly is that they rail against the very things that make Eve what it is.
TL;DR your points have little or no relationship to the reality of the game.
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Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
24
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Posted - 2015.01.05 18:48:32 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: I get tired of C&P being filled with at least the majority of CODE. stuff. I'd like to see more content creator
Sounds like a challenge for you. Best of luck!
Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo.
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Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
24
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Posted - 2015.01.05 18:49:49 -
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Gorila Vengaza wrote:I just want to Salute James 315 for sending in VEERS...
Once they get a good dose of Veers this new rebel leader will be come running to code just as I did.
Now who wants to help me catch Veers and put him back in the barn?
If, as you say, Veers was sent in as part of our (yours and mine) Saviour's master plan, why would you want to go out und put him back in the barn?
Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo.
Praise James!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:12:01 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:You aren't in this category friend. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. and if we do want to, we will go after incrusion runners, however as mentioned above, they are following the code by not being afk and excessively mining etc. Just FYI, people aren't "following the code" just because they happen to do something the CODE agrees with, just like not eating pork doesn't mean you are following Judaism. Incursion runners simply want to make more isk.
By the way, you realise that CODE indirectly supports botters, right?
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2112
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:41:30 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:By the way, you realise that CODE indirectly supports botters, right?
In what bizarre world does "botting is a violation of the Code" in any way translate to "we indirectly support botting"? Aside from our ideological opposition to it, it violates the EULA and the New Order is pro-EULA.
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Gorila Vengaza
The Conference Elite CODE.
124
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Posted - 2015.01.05 20:29:00 -
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Super Perforator wrote:Gorila Vengaza wrote:I just want to Salute James 315 for sending in VEERS...
Once they get a good dose of Veers this new rebel leader will be come running to code just as I did.
Now who wants to help me catch Veers and put him back in the barn? If, as you say, Veers was sent in as part of our (yours and mine) Saviour's master plan, why would you want to go out und put him back in the barn?
Um..cause when we let him run loose he loudly brays at EVERYONE???
i have Video proof
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
432
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Posted - 2015.01.05 20:38:48 -
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Gorila Vengaza wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Gorila Vengaza wrote:I just want to Salute James 315 for sending in VEERS...
Once they get a good dose of Veers this new rebel leader will be come running to code just as I did.
Now who wants to help me catch Veers and put him back in the barn? If, as you say, Veers was sent in as part of our (yours and mine) Saviour's master plan, why would you want to go out und put him back in the barn? Um..cause when we let him run loose he loudly brays at EVERYONE??? i have Video proof Veers posting the Forums
Grow up. What's funny is how you want to stifle any voices opposed to yours on the forums and create a pvp free zone while in game you ram pvp down the throats of miners and haulers.
But then, no one ever did accuse code of lacking in hypocrisy. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2015.01.05 22:31:04 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Grow up. What's funny is how you want to stifle any voices opposed to yours on the forums and create a pvp free zone while in game you ram pvp down the throats of miners and haulers.
But then, no one ever did accuse code of lacking in hypocrisy.
You simply don't get it do you?
By design there is no PvP free zone in Eve, as such nobody is forcing PvP on anybody.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3141
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Posted - 2015.01.06 00:08:47 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Just FYI, people aren't "following the code" just because they happen to do something the CODE agrees with, just like not eating pork doesn't mean you are following Judaism. Incursion runners simply want to make more isk.
By the way, you realise that CODE indirectly supports botters, right?
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
12
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Posted - 2015.01.06 01:36:20 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Gorila Vengaza wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Gorila Vengaza wrote:I just want to Salute James 315 for sending in VEERS...
Once they get a good dose of Veers this new rebel leader will be come running to code just as I did.
Now who wants to help me catch Veers and put him back in the barn? If, as you say, Veers was sent in as part of our (yours and mine) Saviour's master plan, why would you want to go out und put him back in the barn? Um..cause when we let him run loose he loudly brays at EVERYONE??? i have Video proof Veers posting the Forums Grow up. What's funny is how you want to stifle any voices opposed to yours on the forums and create a pvp free zone while in game you ram pvp down the throats of miners and haulers. But then, no one ever did accuse code of lacking in hypocrisy.
Veers, can I ask, why is it wrong to shove PVP down the throats of miners and haulers? |
CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
868
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:57:54 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Heeeeeeeeee Haaaaww
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Gorila Vengaza
The Conference Elite CODE.
126
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Posted - 2015.01.06 11:07:38 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Gorila Vengaza wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Gorila Vengaza wrote:I just want to Salute James 315 for sending in VEERS...
Once they get a good dose of Veers this new rebel leader will be come running to code just as I did.
Now who wants to help me catch Veers and put him back in the barn? If, as you say, Veers was sent in as part of our (yours and mine) Saviour's master plan, why would you want to go out und put him back in the barn? Um..cause when we let him run loose he loudly brays at EVERYONE??? i have Video proof Veers posting the Forums Grow up. What's funny is how you want to stifle any voices opposed to yours on the forums and create a pvp free zone while in game you ram pvp down the throats of miners and haulers. But then, no one ever did accuse code of lacking in hypocrisy.
I know this is a waste of timeGǪbut um Veers.. Im not the one posting. GÇ£everything I say is correctGÇ¥ and refusing to listen to anyone else. So whoGÇÖs the hypocrite? YOU ARE GǪ
IGÇÖm not trying to stifle anyone, you just stupidly refuse to listen to any points but your own. I have no doubt you'll prove my point with your next post.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2015.01.06 11:19:19 -
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admiral root wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:By the way, you realise that CODE indirectly supports botters, right? In what bizarre world does "botting is a violation of the Code" in any way translate to "we indirectly support botting"? Aside from our ideological opposition to it, it violates the EULA and the New Order is pro-EULA. While yes, your statements claim to be against botters, your actions are beneficial to them. You gank soft targets, and primarily aim for tears to put on the blog. Botters will not be those targets. Bots don't cry and bots are generally not soft targets. If a player starts whining in local about you attempting to gank them, that only makes you want to gank them more, again specifically targetting non-botters. By primarily attacking non-botters you are increasing the market share botters supply and in turn their income.
I make no judgement as to whether your failure to achieve the stated target of the code is by design or through incompetence, since retards like Nariz above start shrieking about the tinfoil, but to suggest that what code does is actually damaging to botters is laughable.
Cue angry codies whining about how much they hate bot aspirant behaviour, and how wrong I must be for insulting the precious code.
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Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2015.01.06 11:48:38 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:You gank soft targets, and primarily aim for tears to put on the blog.
I don't know anyone that is ganking because they hope to get on the blog. Where did you get that ridiculous idea?
Lucas Kell wrote:Botters will not be those targets. Bots don't cry and bots are generally not soft targets.
Botters are generally not soft targets? Where did you get that ridiculous idea?
According to the presentation from CCP at Fanfest 2014 the majority of mining botters that got banned were flying Ventures... softer than that it does not get.
Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2015.01.06 12:08:18 -
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Super Perforator wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:You gank soft targets, and primarily aim for tears to put on the blog. I don't know anyone that is ganking because they hope to get on the blog. Where did you get that ridiculous idea? As a group, that's the aim. The blog is designed to be a place to ridicule people that cry. If the goal of code was the removal of bots, then the blog wouldn't exist as bots don't cry.
Super Perforator wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Botters will not be those targets. Bots don't cry and bots are generally not soft targets. Botters are generally not soft targets? Where did you get that ridiculous idea? According to the presentation from CCP at Fanfest 2014 the majority of mining botters that got banned were flying Ventures... softer than that it does not get. And to those stats there was no context. We know that a lot of bots were being banned very early on, so the stats may have been inflated with rookie characters in the 8 days prior to being able to use barges. The bulk of minerals pulled in by bots is from barges when a player get past the entry barrier of getting a bot past initial scrutiny.
Come on, we all know what code is about even if you'll say anything to fight your side. Code wants tears. The fun in ganking comes from trolling the crying carebears, not from watching a bot reship them return to mining without saying a word. The whole "bot aspirant behavior" element of code is just made up to make it sound like you've got some reason to be doing it beyond what is effectively light griefing. If you honestly think you are fighting against bots, you're delusional.
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Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
25
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:12:13 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: If you honestly think you are fighting against bots, you're delusional.
No not just bots. Bot aspirants.
If you ever read the Code you will find out it is more about those aspiring to be like bots, than the bots themselves. A bot, you can only destroy... a bot aspirant you can save.
Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1067
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:15:07 -
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oooooh, the 2 most narcissistic entities in EVE going to have a go at each other on the forums!
CODE. meet: LUCAS KELL.
My money's on Lucas. :popcorntime:
D.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3144
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:15:20 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:You gank soft targets, and primarily aim for tears to put on the blog. I don't know anyone that is ganking because they hope to get on the blog. Where did you get that ridiculous idea? As a group, that's the aim. The blog is designed to be a place to ridicule people that cry. If the goal of code was the removal of bots, then the blog wouldn't exist as bots don't cry. Super Perforator wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Botters will not be those targets. Bots don't cry and bots are generally not soft targets. Botters are generally not soft targets? Where did you get that ridiculous idea? According to the presentation from CCP at Fanfest 2014 the majority of mining botters that got banned were flying Ventures... softer than that it does not get. And to those stats there was no context. We know that a lot of bots were being banned very early on, so the stats may have been inflated with rookie characters in the 8 days prior to being able to use barges. The bulk of minerals pulled in by bots is from barges when a player get past the entry barrier of getting a bot past initial scrutiny. Come on, we all know what code is about even if you'll say anything to fight your side. Code wants tears. The fun in ganking comes from trolling the crying carebears, not from watching a bot reship them return to mining without saying a word. The whole "bot aspirant behavior" element of code is just made up to make it sound like you've got some reason to be doing it beyond what is effectively light griefing. If you honestly think you are fighting against bots, you're delusional.
You're never going to be as entertaining as dinsdale no matter how much tinfoil you wrap around your head. I suppose this won't stop you so please remember to leave breath holes.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1162
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:26:33 -
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Danalee wrote:oooooh, the 2 most narcissistic entities in EVE going to have a go at each other on the forums! CODE. meet: LUCAS KELL. My money's on Lucas. :popcorntime: D. Veers is gonna feel left out here any minute now and join in.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4879
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:27:24 -
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Super Perforator wrote:No not just bots. Bot aspirants.
If you ever read the Code you will find out it is more about those aspiring to be like bots, than the bots themselves. A bot, you can only destroy... a bot aspirant you can save. Bot aspirants do not exist. Nobody aspires to be a bot. You call people bot aspirant to give yourself an excuse to grief them. Realistically they are just players like anyone else who want to play the game. You need to assert your dominance by blowing them up and you do so.
It's a story, that's all. There's nothing spectacular about ganking noobs even if you make up stories to go along with it.
La Nariz wrote:You're never going to be as entertaining as dinsdale no matter how much tinfoil you wrap around your head. I suppose this won't stop you so please remember to leave breath holes. See! I knew you'd be in with the "tinfoil!" again. It's a fact that every non-bot miner you kill is going to have a positive impact on botters. That's just how the economy works. Less miners = more wealth for the remaining miners. So whatever way you look at it, code is beneficial to botters.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2121
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:32:03 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:You call people bot aspirant to give yourself an excuse to grief them.
Griefing is bad and against the EULA. Stop making baseless accusations - if you actually see griefing file a support ticket.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4879
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:36:49 -
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admiral root wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:You call people bot aspirant to give yourself an excuse to grief them. Griefing is bad and against the EULA. Stop making baseless accusations - if you actually see griefing file a support ticket. Griefing comes in many forms. If you intend to cause someone grief, it's griefing. Just because CCP allow certain activities which are clearly designed to upset other players doesn't mean it's not griefing.
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