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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
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Posted - 2014.12.31 20:47:02 -
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I just got into Eve after playing it for a few months a couple of years back. However I never got into PvP so I was wondering if faction warfare would be good for that? |
Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.31 21:26:37 -
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Sure. See if this helps: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Factional_Warfare
I see you are in a Corp but RvB is another great place to learn. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Red_Vs_Blue_(RvB) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8169
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Posted - 2014.12.31 21:32:56 -
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Honestly I can't tell you but I can offer another great gateway into PvP http://evedarklord.blogspot.ie/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html?view=sidebar It boils down to, scanning down a mission runner, shooting their mobile tractor/stealing their mission item, repeat till you find one that isn't a coward, try and kill him , Warp out if it goes sideways on you (cos they never have tackle) repeat till you no longer lose your **** when engaged.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.31 21:52:21 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Honestly I can't tell you but I can offer another great gateway into PvP http://evedarklord.blogspot.ie/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html?view=sidebar It boils down to, scanning down a mission runner, shooting their mobile tractor/stealing their mission item, repeat till you find one that isn't a coward, try and kill him , Warp out if it goes sideways on you (cos they never have tackle) repeat till you no longer lose your **** when engaged.
A lot of fun, but may be days before you see action. Try RvB or FW. Not too hard just be prepared to lose a lot of ships. So no bling. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
822
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Posted - 2014.12.31 22:57:54 -
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FW is nice because you can easily make enough money plexing to keep yourself in frigates while learning. It's also a pretty active part of EVE at the moment.
Look for a good FW corp and get involved with their fleets to start out with. FW is a great place for solo pvp in frigates but it's challenging when you are new. Learn the basics with some buddies and once you are confident in your situational awareness (d-scan, manual piloting) you'll be ready to strike out on your own if you so desire.
Stick to frigates until you can afford to lose bigger stuff. FW is great for that because most other people are flying frigates as well.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2993
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Posted - 2014.12.31 23:29:47 -
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Yes!
Make space glamorous!
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.01 00:00:10 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: repeat till you find one that isn't a coward,
So you have a mission runner in an expensive ship that is not set up to PvP having everything to loose and nothing to gain up against a ganker completely prepared and set up for PvP with everything to gain and nothing to loose and if the mission runner doesn't do the absolute dumbest thing that you could do he is somehow a coward?
While in the strictest sense that might be player versus player it is the Eve equivalent of an NFL team showing up at a girl scouts meeting and challenging them to a football game. Now if that mission runner dock and gets a PvP ship then that would be PvP.
If ganking were an effective way to learn PvP then the CODE guys would have done better at the last Alliance tournament.
If you want to pad your kill boards with easy kills then do what Ralph is telling you but if you want to become good at PvP I think that you are better off following one of the other suggestions here.
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
823
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Posted - 2015.01.01 01:18:08 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:So you have a mission runner in an expensive ship that is not set up to PvP having everything to loose and nothing to gain up against a ganker completely prepared and set up for PvP with everything to gain and nothing to loose and if the mission runner doesn't do the absolute dumbest thing that you could do he is somehow a coward? As someone that has dabbled in what Ralph is describing I'm with you here. Not engaging isn't cowardice...it's just intelligence.
ergherhdfgh wrote:If ganking were an effective way to learn PvP then the CODE guys would have done better at the last Alliance tournament.
If you want to pad your kill boards with easy kills then do what Ralph is telling you but if you want to become good at PvP I think that you are better off following one of the other suggestions here. You've lost me. Mission baiting is not ganking. It is consensual PvP, as the mission runner has to engage first. They may be unwise to do so, but that doesn't make it ganking.
It's also not always easy, and it IS a good way to learn PvP. I killed a PVE Dominix in my Hawk. No, it didn't have tackle, but it did nearly kill me and there was a lot of micromanaging of capacitor and heat. You can learn quite a bit about engaging larger targets and all of it is applicable in PvP - especially if the mission runner has neuts or bonused drones. It's very similar to the situation where you are flying tackle and need to stay alive for an extended period while holding down a large target.
If you want to make the argument that it's "watered down" PVP and won't teach you anything about other forms of PVP then I would counter that you can say that about any form of PVP. Faction Warfare is dominated by afterburner+scram+web brawling frigates, but that style is rare in other areas of EVE. Does that make it less valid? No...it's the correct solution for the situation (fighting in and around FW plex beacons). EVE is all about adapting to the situation.
TLDR: I don't agree with either of you. A smart mission runner knows not to engage a target in a PVE ship. They have no reason to risk their ship when they haven't even fit tackle. Baiting is not ganking and it's not as easy as you think. It doesn't cover the entire scope of PVP in EVE but it can help you learn the basics of manual piloting, cap management, heat management, and losing your newbie jitters.
To the OP - Try mission baiting it if it appeals to you. If not, FW is also a great option and should assuage any moral qualms about shooting "innocents".
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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
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Posted - 2015.01.01 03:16:11 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Honestly I can't tell you but I can offer another great gateway into PvP http://evedarklord.blogspot.ie/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html?view=sidebar It boils down to, scanning down a mission runner, shooting their mobile tractor/stealing their mission item, repeat till you find one that isn't a coward, try and kill him , Warp out if it goes sideways on you (cos they never have tackle) repeat till you no longer lose your **** when engaged.
Sorry but I am too nice of a person for this. I don't want people to lose too much and also that they are somewhat consensual to the PvP. I have been ganked way too much to want to do that to others. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 03:27:36 -
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just pointing out , the only pertinent line is my last one, **** kill boards, its about confidence.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
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Posted - 2015.01.01 03:36:23 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:just pointing out , the only pertinent line is my last one, **** kill boards, its about confidence.
That part makes sense as I often worry about losing my expensive stuff instead of the PvP.
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Praxis Ginimic
Tigers in the Snows
862
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Posted - 2015.01.01 03:51:12 -
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FW and RvB are both good choices for "learn as you go PvP. There are corps that provide PvP classes like Agony Unleashed. I went the 20 pubisher plan but with 200 atrons in and out of FW. If you don't mind losing your ass its great fun and great learning. Good luck. |
Zerd
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:59:23 -
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I'm actually in the same exact boat here. The only difference is I started a completely brand new character. I turned my old "main" into an industrial character to fuel what I do in FW. He had been living in null sec, but a RL friend new to eve wanted to play. Since my old main only had 15m SP and it was spread out over several areas, I thought it'd be better to start fresh.
Our plan is to do FW once he gets the basics down, and just do some missioning until then. I'll be having him run through at least both Military tutorial agents before we hook up and start missioning together. I've picked up a few of the leaderships skills just to have some type of bonus playing together before working on my other skills. I'll be playing Minmatar and I'm about 90% positive he will as well.
Is there any recommended reading material on FW? I haven't done much PvP but I'm getting into it more and more. I've listened to the EVE-U FW 101 class. I'll be listening to the 102 they have today. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.01 20:26:05 -
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Zerd wrote:Is there any recommended reading material on FW? I haven't done much PvP but I'm getting into it more and more. I've listened to the EVE-U FW 101 class. I'll be listening to the 102 they have today. This site isn't FW specific but read the sections on the frigates. It's a bit dated but most of the info is still applicable. The whole blog is full of great info.
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Nakovi Kitsune
Omega Force Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.01 23:54:58 -
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From my FW experience it seems like you have a far better chance of being jumped by a gang of non-affiliated pirates than actually getting into fun fights vs the other side.
You could always join one of the FW blobs that runs around, but I'm not sure you would get much experience out of that.. |
Shin Katsumoto
The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion
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Posted - 2015.01.01 23:56:03 -
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Nakovi Kitsune wrote:From my FW experience it seems like you have a far better chance of being jumped by a gang of non-affiliated pirates than actually getting into fun fights vs the other side.
You could always join one of the FW blobs that runs around, but I'm not sure you would get much experience out of that..
Yeah this was one of my concerns. |
Kharaxus
CareBear Initiations The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:51:49 -
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Shin Katsumoto wrote:I just got into Eve after playing it for a few months a couple of years back. However I never got into PvP so I was wondering if faction warfare would be good for that?
YES!!!!
Right now Minmatar are taking a beating. Amarr owns about 97% of faction space. So you jump in as Amarr and defend space that is being contested and make LP's that way. Very easy to do because not a lot of people in that space. Watch out for neutrals picking fights. If you are very new to PVP set up a speed tanking frigate, align to station, and avoid fights.
Or you join Minmatar and join fleets and try to take back space. Which means you will need to fight. Very cool for meeting people and forming alliances and joining corps.
Either way. Having an alt that focuses purely on frigates and the use of a frigate is very cool. And FW is the best way to do that. |
Equinnox Dethahal
Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:58:16 -
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Im like a month and a half into this game and just went through this all myself.
If you are looking for solo and really small group pvp, then the standard issue liberal hippy answer of "do whatever feels right, there is no right answer" applies more so than giving a specific faction to focus on.
For larger pvp corps and alliances youll deal with fleet doctrines that will offer a smattering of oddly fit ships, meaning the traditional faction based ships and weapon specialization might not apply,
Basically it wont really matter much what you start with joining a larger pvp corp or alliance, youll end up all over the place to ensure your able to fit several roles in whatever fleet type they bring to the table.
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Gorthanator
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:31:21 -
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Our corp have had people new to the game and get solo kills. We also lose alot of ships, but FW is set up to so you can replace those losses, even on our low tier 10 minutes sitting in a plex earns you enough for multiple frigate hulls and you can fit them cheaply and effectively. if you insist on flying sexy ships as soon as you start you can get poor quickly. But from my experience FW is a blast. |
Thanatos Marathon
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:44:43 -
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I used to recommend FW to new players, and even helped train some of them. However I no longer do because of the lack of options for repairing faction standings. |
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Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
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Posted - 2015.01.02 19:15:53 -
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I went the route of RvB for my pvp alt, and don't regret it. It has the advantage of very low possibility of losing implants do to rules about podding and being in hisec, so you can skill train your low skill character faster. Fleets are almost always out any time of day, and solo fights, arranged or not, are easy to find. But you probably need a 2nd character to make isk as nothing happens in RvB other than destroying ships, and you aren't safe from the opposing side anywhere in hisec and 3rd party war targets like the Marmites are all over the place (except in the normal RvB warzone, where they could expect an organized response). |
Inquisiteur Karamasov
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.06 11:51:49 -
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Is any faction warfare corpo who recruiting new player ?
Because I'm around 2.5m sp and I don't know if it's enough for start but FW interest me a lot (on the Amarr side if possible) |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.06 11:53:39 -
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Inquisiteur Karamasov wrote:Is any faction warfare corpo who recruiting new player ?
Because I'm around 2.5m sp and I don't know if it's enough for start but FW interest me a lot (on the Amarr side if possible)
Yes there are plenty of new player friendly FW corps.
Personally I dont know their names but I know from other FW capsuleers that they do exist.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Hishomi Shi
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.12 04:39:47 -
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Inquisiteur Karamasov wrote:Is any faction warfare corpo who recruiting new player ?
Because I'm around 2.5m sp and I don't know if it's enough for start but FW interest me a lot (on the Amarr side if possible)
Im in exactly the same boat im 2.6k SP and trying to find a FW corp with no avail. Let me know if you find anything |
Nalena Linova
Project Kairos Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.01.12 11:10:53 -
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This forum thread has details of all active and recruiting Factional Warfare corporations:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342520&find=unread
Alternatively you can visit www.factionwarfare.com which also has a list of recruiting corporations.
Choose a corp that looks interesting and join their public channel for a chat. I'd advise speaking to your chosen corp(s) to get a feel for what they're like, rather than sending in an anonymous application. |
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