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sakima gerardeau
Eye of God Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:55:00 -
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Some of the initial stats that released showed it supporting siege missile launchers, but it looks like it is exclusively a hybrid platform now. What's the background on the change? |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:59:00 -
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OMG
What you can't even look at what other threads exist on this ship on about every subforum before you create thread #9000 on this topic? |
sakima gerardeau
Eye of God Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:12:00 -
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I searched "naga missiles" and got no hits. Don't know what to tell you. |
Atomic Punx
Caldari Research and Technology The Phoenix Regime
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:58:00 -
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I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that! |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:05:00 -
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Well you see CCP did not wish to fix Torpedos to make them work right in PVP so you got the old Hybird rub off that's normaly only resurved for us Gallente drone pilots.
O ya and welcome to the Club :) |
Allaera
Avatar Dynasty RED.Legion
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:14:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34808&find=unread
Right there on the first page, created less than 2 weeks ago. First sentence, readable when you mouse over the link on the S&M main page.....
"From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now." |
Allaera
Avatar Dynasty RED.Legion
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:24:00 -
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Atomic Punx wrote:I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!
I'm a Caldari pilot (though I can fly every race's ships from BO down) and I am far form PO'd at CCP's decision. The last thing I would want is another damn missile spammer, I would much prefer a choice without resorting to driving some damn Gayllente tub just so I can use hybrids when I chose.....not matter how good the Talos looks. That doesn't mean I won't fly the Talos but now I'm not forced to.
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Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:32:00 -
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Atomic Punx wrote:I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!
You really wanted torps on a SHIELD tanked ship with limited mids for painters and webs?
Really? |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:32:00 -
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Atomic Punx wrote:I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that! You mean if they want to **** off MISSILE using pilots. Someone PROPERLY trained in caldari would already have rails trained up, and the old naga was absolutely awful.
It only actually worked in megapulse optimal, which means you would get insta'd by any amarr BS, and destroyed by anything that can hit out to 45km or so (so most ships bigger than a cruiser, and several t2 cruisers as well) while not being able to actually do any decent damage to any of the ships that aren't going to be able to hit you.
Now, the naga is literally the BEST ship in the game at damage projection. It has a somewhat niche role, but being able to spew out 400 DPS at 250 (nearly what you get out of cruises, but without the absurd flight time involved) or 700 at 100km is amazing. It's legitimately useful now, whereas before it was not.
Repeat after me: The naga was BUFFED to use rails instead of torps. |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:15:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Repeat after me: The naga was BUFFED to use rails instead of torps. This. |
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Mike Whiite
Progressive State
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:49:00 -
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I don't think the OP means the Naga is a bad ship.
He is disapointed in not having the option of a missile ship, this comes back to the Naga due to it-¦s originial intention to shoot missiles.
And as said before a zillion post have be spend on it. I guess Devs have an idea there is dissapointment and that is comes from the relative new caldari players.
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:22:00 -
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Atomic Punx wrote:I truly do not understand why Launcher Hardpoints were taken away from the Naga!! So the fact that the Talos already has the bonuses to the Large Hybrids is not sufficient enough for eve players?? This is pathetic!! Not one new ship available for missiles. If you guys are trying to **** off Caldari pilots you've certainly done that!
Don't be 'that guy'. There have been far too many of you lately.
Go back to your L4 in your CNR. |
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2011.11.30 16:13:00 -
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Screw the missiles. No more missile spammers with guaranteed hits. (because no one with half a mind puts defender missiles on their ship).
Welcome to the world of hybrids... You ever fly a rokh? How to PVP:1) Bigger gang than target gang2) trick targets into low sec and have local pirates help you out3) Always troll the person with "UMAD?"4) If all else fails, drop a carrier on them. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 01:41:00 -
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Only troll's posting here?
The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.
What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.
So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.
Not everybody playes this game already for years.
My 2 cents. |
Eliane Harper
Marilith Enclave
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Posted - 2011.12.01 03:15:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Only troll's posting here?
The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.
What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.
So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.
Not everybody playes this game already for years.
My 2 cents. No one is forcing you to use any of these new T3 BCs. Missile users have access to many quality amarr missile ships already and to a lesser degree minmatar. Yes, you didn't get more options with the latest expansion but you had more options to begin with so it balances out. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.01 03:32:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Only troll's posting here?
The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.
What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.
So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.
Not everybody playes this game already for years.
My 2 cents.
Your two cents are wrong as is everyone who shares your opinion.
Hybrids are as much caldari as drones are gallente.
Not CCP's fault many caldari are carebear noobs who only train missiles and then ***** about not being able to fly hybrid ships. |
Allaera
Avatar Dynasty RED.Legion
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Posted - 2011.12.01 06:45:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Only troll's posting here?
The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.
What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.
So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.
Not everybody playes this game already for years.
My 2 cents.
Hah, who's the troll here?
Weapons are NOT race exclusive. By your "logic".....
Abitrator, Amarr, drone bonused - Gallente ship. Sacrilege, Amarr, missile bonused - Caldari ship. Osprey & Scythe, Caldari & Minmatar, mining bonused - ORE ship. ALL Stealth Bombers, missile bonused - Caldari ships ALL Carriers, drone bonused - Gallente ships.
Hell, even the Loki has a missile subsystem and the the Legion has missile AND drone subsystems. There are MANY examples of other ships but I won't list them all.
As for "So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.", I notice you didn't mention that pilots that fly up to BC only are suddenly FORCED to train large hybrids "if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's".....nice going on the double standards there mate |
Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2011.12.01 14:41:00 -
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Cavalry Naga would have been a lot of fun. Oh well.
Suck it up and move on. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:16:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Only troll's posting here?
The Naga (good or bad in use) without Cruise Missiles / Torpedo's became a SECOND GALLENTE hybrid ship.
What ever race you play, people that trained Missiles don't have a usefull new BC while all others have one or two.
So they are FORCED to train another weaponry system if they ever wanna use one of those new BC's. And that is incorrect.
Not everybody playes this game already for years.
My 2 cents. The naga is a caldari ship. Caldari ships tend to use either missiles, or rails. I think you'll find that for just about every missile ship that the caldari have, there is a rail counterpart. You don't NEED to train a new weapon system, you just need to have one that, as a caldari pilot, you should have had anyway. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:31:00 -
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sakima gerardeau wrote:Some of the initial stats that released showed it supporting siege missile launchers, but it looks like it is exclusively a hybrid platform now. What's the background on the change? It is a known bug , ccp is working on it . Hopefully it will be fixed by the next expansion. |
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Nicklaus Klaus'nik
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:14:00 -
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Naga please.
Adapt or die. New tactics will favor the Naga en masse as you can easily picture a gang of 10 or so raping the s**t out of unprepared enemy fleets from optimal, while their tackle holds targets in place. I mean, seriously, 600+ dps from 45km + falloff, these things will murder RRBS gangs with proper support, and that's saying something. Stop complaining, and start training. |
Fsgt Pain
Sanctus Ordo Luminarium Amarri Fratres Milites de Amarri
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:13:00 -
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Nicklaus Klaus'nik wrote:Naga please.
Adapt or die. New tactics will favor the Naga en masse as you can easily picture a gang of 10 or so raping the s**t out of unprepared enemy fleets from optimal, while their tackle holds targets in place. I mean, seriously, 600+ dps from 45km + falloff, these things will murder RRBS gangs with proper support, and that's saying something. Stop complaining, and start training.
sorry to say but being caldari myself i cant stand hybrids. also on that note caldari are primary missile users secondary hybrid. all of the other races got thier primary weapons for the new tier 3 bc's why didnt caldari get thiers. honestly i will never fly the naga if i wanted to fly a hybrid ship i would go with gallente since they are better suited for them anyways. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:15:00 -
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I don't think CCP cares much for missile pilots... No new T3 BC and no Faction BS and no a Rattlesnake is not a missile boat, like the Naga.. it was built for Gallente pilots... LONG LIVE THE DRAKE!!!!!.. cause that's all we got... who can afford to PvP in a Tengu |
Fsgt Pain
Sanctus Ordo Luminarium Amarri Fratres Milites de Amarri
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:29:00 -
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^^^^ agree'ed. see everyone's arguement for the naga staying blasters is not nough blaster boats. well im sorry but again my point still stand primary weapons for caldari is still missiles and always will be. the naga being hybrid is just mental since all the other races got there primary weapon group. shoot gallente got both hybrid and dones none of the other races got that. and as for hybrid t3 bc's talos is the best 1 since not only does it have drones but with those drones its calculated dps is over 1k. none of the other t3 bc's have that high of dps. so yes im alittle pfft that caldari didnt get missiles. if they was going to take it only 1 way it should of been missiles hands down. |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:40:00 -
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drdxie wrote:who can afford to PvP in a Tengu
Considering eve-kill lists the tengu as #4 on their top 20 ships I'd say lots of people. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:24:00 -
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drdxie wrote:I don't think CCP cares much for missile pilots... No new T3 BC and no Faction BS and no a Rattlesnake is not a missile boat, like the Naga.. it was built for Gallente pilots... LONG LIVE THE DRAKE!!!!!.. cause that's all we got... who can afford to PvP in a Tengu If anything caldari need a RAIL faction ship. They've already got 2 missile ones.
Fsgt Pain wrote:sorry to say but being caldari myself i cant stand hybrids. also on that note caldari are primary missile users secondary hybrid. all of the other races got thier primary weapons for the new tier 3 bc's why didnt caldari get thiers. honestly i will never fly the naga if i wanted to fly a hybrid ship i would go with gallente since they are better suited for them anyways. Just a quick note: The top tier caldari frig uses both missiles and hybrids(though only the hybrids get a bonus).
The top tier caldari cruiser uses hybrids.
The top tier caldari BS uses hybrids.
The top tier caldari BC uses???
You can whine about what the caldari main weapon is all you like, but there are just as many (if not more) caldari ships with hybrid bonuses than there are with missile bonuses. |
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