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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:57:48 -
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Lately there has been something of a surge of ganking in high security space, often including the tactic of bumping the target (to keep them from escaping) while ransoming them for a hefty sum. After losing one of my own ships to this sort of attack, I wrote a quick guide to one of the ways to get out of such a ransom situation:
http://www.thewholefrigate.com/2015/01/psa-bumped-before-gank-safe-log-off.html (tl;dr: use the "safe log off" and keep them talking while it ticks down)
This is good for newbies and veterans alike; from the people i have talked to, it is not an especially obvious solution to the situation. I hope this helps you folks not lose ships or ransom money! Also I hope it helps forum warriors have an extra response to "this is so unfair, there was nothing I could do against those mean gankers!"
Cheers!
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8244
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:02:23 -
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The obvious trick here is not to tip them off because if you just kill the client, you pop out of local and they know then to either gank you there and then, or agrees you with a nubie ship which will keep you there for I5 minutes.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3262
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:09:11 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:The obvious trick here is not to tip them off because if you just kill the client, you pop out of local and they know then to either gank you there and then, or agrees you with a nubie ship which will keep you there for I5 minutes. Yep. That's the advantage of safe log-off. As I said, the situation in which you're being bumped and ransomed is already an extremely bad situation, and this is just a mitigating tactic that might work. If the gankers up their game and forget ransoming you, or aggress you with a noobship, you're still in trouble.
I will have another blog post soon about how to not get into the troublesome situation in the first place.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8245
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:17:08 -
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I have actually seen this work in uedama before when coded and marmite were still hanging out together , a clever providence pilot just *pop* gone , mid conversation.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5299
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:27:01 -
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Or dont be there as a target in the first place.
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3264
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:59:17 -
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J'Poll wrote:Or dont be there as a target in the first place. That's just crazy talk. Stop it.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7421
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Posted - 2015.01.02 20:15:42 -
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J'Poll wrote:Or dont be there as a target in the first place.
So...never undock?
That's a little counterproductive and not much fun. Unless you are a station trader, of course.
Anyway, good PSA. A last ditch strategy that not many know about. If it saves one freighter, it was worth the time to write that blog.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3266
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Posted - 2015.01.02 20:29:48 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Anyway, good PSA. A last ditch strategy that not many know about. If it saves one freighter, it was worth the time to write that blog. Mr Epeen It would have certainly saved my freighter. That guy spend a long while blabbing about it, and to top it off, his gank failed (left me at half struct). I had to wait around for 20 minutes while his Catalysts reshipped. There were definitely multiple instances where I would have had 30 seconds to log off, but I only realized I could have done that after I lost the ship. Oh well.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
238
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Posted - 2015.01.02 21:00:28 -
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You cannot be targeted while "safe logging". Unless this was changed recently and I have yet experienced this. The point is, a ganker that knows what he is doing will just lock you and bump you until catalysts land. A lot of the suggestions the "anti-ganker" groups make are all based from human error. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5300
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Posted - 2015.01.02 21:17:36 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:J'Poll wrote:Or dont be there as a target in the first place. That's just crazy talk. Stop it.
Uhm...is it
As a miner, plenty of systems you never see a ganker in.
As a freighter pilot, easy solution, use a web alt and laugh at the bumpers as you are in warp before they even spot you. Hell, both my freighters are ALWAYS accompanied by webbing alt.
Easy solution...be active and don't become a target.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
858
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Posted - 2015.01.02 21:47:26 -
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J'Poll wrote:Easy solution...be active and don't become a target. but it is so much easier to sit here and complain on the forums!
but to be useful, remember to fit a tank, and don't leave big resistance holes, although probably worth it for a little extra kin/therm resists as blasters seem to be a preferred gank weapon these days.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3267
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Posted - 2015.01.02 21:52:49 -
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Eldwinn wrote:You cannot be targeted while "safe logging". Unless this was changed recently and I have yet experienced this. The point is, a ganker that knows what he is doing will just lock you and bump you until catalysts land. A lot of the suggestions the "anti-ganker" groups make are all based from human error. A lot of victories in general PvP are based on taking advantage of human error.
Also is it incoming or outgoing targeting that stops safe logoff? The wiki page says "you have a target lock", which is sort of ambiguous. I clearly remember when testing the safe logoff that I could not be targeting something else, but I have not tested it with someone targeting me.
J'Poll wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:J'Poll wrote:Or dont be there as a target in the first place. That's just crazy talk. Stop it. Uhm...is it As a miner, plenty of systems you never see a ganker in. As a freighter pilot, easy solution, use a web alt and laugh at the bumpers as you are in warp before they even spot you. Hell, both my freighters are ALWAYS accompanied by webbing alt. Easy solution...be active and don't become a target. Geez, chill. I was being deliberately obtuse about how "not being a target" is unacceptable. It's called humor.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Paranoid Loyd
3345
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Posted - 2015.01.02 22:09:13 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Geez, chill. I was being deliberately obtuse about how "not being a target" is unacceptable. It's called humor. I'm all for deliberate obtusion being used to create entertainment, just not in noob land. They are confused enough without adding in sarcasm detection requirements.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3268
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Posted - 2015.01.02 22:12:36 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Geez, chill. I was being deliberately obtuse about how "not being a target" is unacceptable. It's called humor. I'm all for deliberate obtusion being used to create entertainment, just not in noob land. They are confused enough without adding in sarcasm detection requirements. *shakes cane* Back in my day newbies had to wade through sarcastic "because of Falcon" and "Drakes Online" comments, uphill, both ways. Or... wait... were they sarcastic?
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Get off my lawn!
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Lady Areola Fappington
2504
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Posted - 2015.01.03 08:01:05 -
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The failure of this is, it's trivial for another person to abort the safe logoff. Bumpers who know what they're doing will tag you with a shot from a newbie ship.
At that point, you can't safe logoff. From the wiki:
Quote: You cannot be safely logging off while: You have aggression from players or NPCs You cannot initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it will be aborted.
So, newbies, just remember this "defense" isn't a sure thing, and us gankers have known how to stop it for a long while.
Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one.
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3273
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Posted - 2015.01.05 15:00:42 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one.
Quoting for truth.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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RomeStar
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective
559
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Posted - 2015.01.05 15:21:09 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:The failure of this is, it's trivial for another person to abort the safe logoff. Bumpers who know what they're doing will tag you with a shot from a newbie ship. At that point, you can't safe logoff. From the wiki: Quote: You cannot be safely logging off while: You have aggression from players or NPCs You cannot initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it will be aborted. So, newbies, just remember this "defense" isn't a sure thing, and us gankers have known how to stop it for a long while. Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one.
So you tag it with a rookie ship and bring concord on grid. Well we can pull concord off the grid you say yes but by that time the aggression timer is gone and a new safe log attempt is possible. Its a good trick to **** off those gankers lol +1
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5314
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:24:43 -
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RomeStar wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:The failure of this is, it's trivial for another person to abort the safe logoff. Bumpers who know what they're doing will tag you with a shot from a newbie ship. At that point, you can't safe logoff. From the wiki: Quote: You cannot be safely logging off while: You have aggression from players or NPCs You cannot initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it will be aborted. So, newbies, just remember this "defense" isn't a sure thing, and us gankers have known how to stop it for a long while. Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one. So you tag it with a rookie ship and bring concord on grid. Well we can pull concord off the grid you say yes but by that time the aggression timer is gone and a new safe log attempt is possible. Its a good trick to **** off those gankers lol +1
Hmz
If it takes you more then 5 minutes to get CONCORD off grid, you are doing it wrong in the first place and don't deserve the kill.
Luckily most competent people can easily pull it off before the timer runs out. Not to mention, it abort the timer, which can then only be started from the start again when your combat flag ends. So, it is actually quite easy to pull off with the noob-ship tagging.
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
797
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:33:54 -
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take an orca alt around and refit bulkheads and laugh as u see the horribly underestimate your hp
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3274
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:40:32 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:take an orca alt around and refit bulkheads and laugh as u see the horribly underestimate your hp
Lot of good that does you when they can just bump you for another 15 minutes while they get more Catalysts. Source: my freighter survived the first gank.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
807
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:43:32 -
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log off in that time then? |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
211
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Posted - 2015.01.06 17:45:30 -
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RomeStar wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:The failure of this is, it's trivial for another person to abort the safe logoff. Bumpers who know what they're doing will tag you with a shot from a newbie ship. At that point, you can't safe logoff. From the wiki: Quote: You cannot be safely logging off while: You have aggression from players or NPCs You cannot initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it will be aborted. So, newbies, just remember this "defense" isn't a sure thing, and us gankers have known how to stop it for a long while. Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one. So you tag it with a rookie ship and bring concord on grid. Well we can pull concord off the grid you say yes but by that time the aggression timer is gone and a new safe log attempt is possible. Its a good trick to **** off those gankers lol +1 Try that out and let us know how it worked out
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4299
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:39:59 -
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Why are you offering advice on your opinions of how to be safe in a freighter in NCQ&A?
New players cannot fly freighters, they require Advanced Spaceship Command (a capital ships skill) to level 5. Now if you had some advice on how to keep an Iteron safe in highsec, that might be of use to people in this forum.
As for how to be somewhat safe - it's pretty simple. Avoid Uedama and Niarja by taking alternate routes through lowsec (after scouting them). If you aren't willing to fly a freighter through quiet low, you sure as hell should not be flying them through much more dangerous systems.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5328
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:11:06 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Why are you offering advice on your opinions of how to be safe in a freighter in NCQ&A?
New players cannot fly freighters, they require Advanced Spaceship Command (a capital ships skill) to level 5. Now if you had some advice on how to keep an Iteron safe in highsec, that might be of use to people in this forum.
As for how to be somewhat safe - it's pretty simple. Avoid Uedama and Niarja by taking alternate routes through lowsec (after scouting them). If you aren't willing to fly a freighter through quiet low, you sure as hell should not be flying them through much more dangerous systems.
Wait for my Parallel Parking a Titan 101 guide..
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4301
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:44:13 -
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J'Poll wrote:Wait for my Parallel Parking a Titan 101 guide..
Please post it here, in NCQ&A, on April 1st.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3274
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:12:56 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Why are you offering advice on your opinions of how to be safe in a freighter in NCQ&A?
New players cannot fly freighters, they require Advanced Spaceship Command (a capital ships skill) to level 5. Now if you had some advice on how to keep an Iteron safe in highsec, that might be of use to people in this forum.
It applies to all slow ships that can be kept from warping via bumping. As I understand, this includes many/most mining barges, and (less relevant to newbies) many battleships.
Those are just after-the-fact justifications, though, I had not actually considered posting it here might be inappropriate. I will try to pay more attention to that in the future.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
826
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Posted - 2015.01.07 23:04:36 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:J'Poll wrote:Wait for my Parallel Parking a Titan 101 guide.. Please post it here, in NCQ&A, on April 1st.
Omg that would be a great read. Please make sure to include instructions on how to right click on your capacitor in order to activate your parking break so you don't drift out of the POS shield.
Sabriz for CSMX!
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Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
36
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Posted - 2015.01.19 11:12:29 -
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For those of us not 100% familiar with the tactic(being new or returning players), can we get a breakdown of how exactly 'bumping' happens?
If I read this thread correctly, this can be done even in highsec?
"What a sad world we live in, where politeness is mistaken for weakness."-á - Usagi Yojimbo
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5601
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Posted - 2015.01.19 11:36:45 -
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Seraphi Nephalis wrote:For those of us not 100% familiar with the tactic(being new or returning players), can we get a breakdown of how exactly 'bumping' happens?
If I read this thread correctly, this can be done even in highsec?
Bumping can be done anywhere.
Is legal.
And is nothing more then ramming your ship into the target's ship to push it out of alignment for his warp.
To enter warp, you have to be within 5 degree angle of your destination, so if people keep pushing you into other direction, you will never enter warp.
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Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
36
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Posted - 2015.01.19 12:20:39 -
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J'Poll wrote:Seraphi Nephalis wrote:For those of us not 100% familiar with the tactic(being new or returning players), can we get a breakdown of how exactly 'bumping' happens?
If I read this thread correctly, this can be done even in highsec? Bumping can be done anywhere. Is legal. And is nothing more then ramming your ship into the target's ship to push it out of alignment for his warp. To enter warp, you have to be within 5 degree angle of your destination, so if people keep pushing you into other direction, you will never enter warp.
The trolls always seem to figure out a new way to bend the rules I guess.
But that's besides the point.
Doesn't the ship doing the bumping also get pushed around a little bit? Does it take more than one ship to keep someone from aligning correctly? Can't a ship being bumped cancel their warp and attempt to juke, or is that out of the question with the larger, slower ships?
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