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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
121
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Posted - 2015.01.04 15:18:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Should my directorate find it acceptable, I would like to take care of any survivors among my people. I will also make the appropriate arrangements to move them out of the warzone to a safer location. After all, Matari should be with Matari.
You side with Sansha and the Empire. You are even less Matari than I ever was. I would see PIE or CVA take them over someone as vile as you. |
Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
434
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Posted - 2015.01.04 15:22:47 -
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PYRE is not a Sansha corp, despite the loyalties of several of our members. PYRE is a Kalaakiota aligned mercenary group on contract with the Amarr militia. Each of our members are allowed to hold their own beliefs.
I am no longer speaking along the corp line, this is just me now.
You (Nauplius) are insane. You are murdering my people. I will see you burn wherever your infestation spreads.
I am extremely grateful to the pilots of PYRE who took it upon themselves to attack Nauplius' POS even before I could ask them to. I sincerely wish I could be there to help.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
434
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Posted - 2015.01.04 15:25:50 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:Should my directorate find it acceptable, I would like to take care of any survivors among my people. I will also make the appropriate arrangements to move them out of the warzone to a safer location. After all, Matari should be with Matari. You side with Sansha and the Empire. You are even less Matari than I ever was. I would see PIE or CVA take them over someone as vile as you.
"It's just business"
Do not take my contempt for the Republic and it's methods to mean that I do not still care for my kin. My current employments is intended as.. shock therapy.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Solarienne
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
184
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Posted - 2015.01.04 15:25:59 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:PYRE is not a Sansha corp, despite the loyalties of several of our members. PYRE is a Kalaakiota aligned mercenary group on contract with the Amarr militia. Each of our members are allowed to hold their own beliefs.
I am no longer speaking along the corp line, this is just me now.
You (Nauplius) are insane. You are murdering my people. I will see you burn wherever your infestation spreads.
I am extremely grateful to the pilots of PYRE who took it upon themselves to attack Nauplius' POS even before I could ask them to. I sincerely wish I could be there to help.
No problem, corpie. It's pretty easy to take a stand when you only have to stand against a pair of non-functional White Nosie batteries, so its no big deal really.
To those trying to crow over the potential survivors of any tower take down - show up and stake a claim. I personally have no stake beyond landing a few shots on the tower if I get the chance, but its pretty blinkered to think you can expect any impact on the poor bastards stuck in those hangars without helping break the prison walls down.
_"Pulled from the grime and uncertainty that my life had been, I opened my eyes for the first time and saw in the distance, oh so far away, Utopia. -áMy path may be the broken backs of those who stand against me, but one day, I will stand at the gates and I will be Home." - _Sascha Ishenko; Meditations on Servitude
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
121
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Posted - 2015.01.04 15:31:13 -
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Kalaratiri wrote: "It's just business"
You can say much about the enemies of my people, be they PIE, the Empire, CVA or whoever else threatens my kin. At least they have principles and a cause, misguided as they may be. "It's just business" reveals how little you possess of both.
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
435
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Posted - 2015.01.04 15:39:28 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Kalaratiri wrote: "It's just business"
You can say much about the enemies of my people, be they PIE, the Empire, CVA or whoever else threatens my kin. At least they have principles and a cause, misguided as they may be. "It's just business" reveals how little you possess of both.
Thank you for completely ignoring the second half of my post.
The business is why PYRE are engaged with the TLF. The principles and the cause are why I am employed with PYRE.
But enough. If you wish to stake a claim Del'thul, then show up and try it.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
121
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:00:20 -
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I have offered my aid. It is at the very limits of what can be done when dealing with Sansha without hitting a moral and ethical bedrock. If there'd been even the slightest hint of decency in Pyre or yourself, the offer would have been accepted without grandstanding and "staking claim".
And any "principle or cause" that makes you side with Sansha are bankrupt by default, and you know it. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
2229
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:01:50 -
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Nauplius wrote:Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding between me and Pyre Falcon Defence and Security. After all, we have so much in common. I share with Pyre Falcon Defence and Security's Sansha members the following two exceptionally unpopular beliefs, beliefs that should cause us to stand together against the masses who oppose them:
- Rejection of free will.
- Controlling of slaves by means of brain implants.
In fact, I briefly entertained the idea of making the De-Minmatarization Tower a Sansha tower instead of a Blood Raider one. Furthermore, Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is ostensibly on the same side of the faction war as me, and surely PY-RE's time in the warzone has convinced them of the utter filthiness of the Minmatar. Why, then, does the organization fight against De-Minmatarization?
I can't speak for the reasons for why the corporation is doing what it is doing - That decision was made at a higher level than I am at.
I can tell you why I am personally happy to shoot at your tower: You have not been put through the gauntlet, and since what respect I have for the Sani Sabik faith is predicated upon shared ideas of strength and power, I felt like I had to take it upon myself to become your nemesis and put your claim of being a prophet to the coals of harsh reality.
So I am going to burn your tower down, if I can, and then if I have a say in things I will vote for your prisoners to go to my Corpmate Kalaratiri because I have already agreed not to have a hand in how they are processed myself, and she will likely find a place for them and that place might possibly be in the Republic but that does not matter because I am hardly in the Amarr Militia because I am a devoted believer in the cause.
I'm here to **** with pod pilots. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
2229
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:05:53 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I have offered my aid. It is at the very limits of what can be done when dealing with Sansha without hitting a moral and ethical bedrock. If there'd been even the slightest hint of decency in Pyre or yourself, the offer would have been accepted without grandstanding and "staking claim".
And any "principle or cause" that makes you side with Sansha are bankrupt by default, and you know it.
The help you offered, while the offer itself is appreciated, is not what is needed.
However, more guns is always appreciated. Burning a tower is slow work and not much fun for anyone involved, and things that make that go faster are rewarded with increased respect and a seat at the negotiating table when it comes time to determine what to do with the rescued.
Any corporation capable of but not passing that small gateway (did you shoot at the tower) will not be considered for such a seat, and in fact if they are making demands or suggestions, will likely be sneered at with contempt because if there is one thing we cannot stand it is people who talk a big game but who have no follow-through. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
258
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:38:38 -
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Honestly I would go for taking this tower down, however logistically speaking, the only thing I could really get out there would be a Wolf or Interceptor of some sort. I would think Pyre can field a support fleet fine on their own. That's beside the point I could honestly see their guns turned on me after the towers down (doubt it would happen since we would have all been there for the same goal, but its still a thought in the back of my head).
I'm not trying to say this is what you should do but wouldn't the survivors going with Kalaratiri be better than them going with PIE or Pyre as a corp? I'd personally rather see Gradient take them or Mizhara getting them transported back to the Republic. At least it would alieviate the fear of them going to Sansha supporters (couldn't see Pyre destroying their reputation by handing them over to Nation honestly), and more than likely they would go back to the Republic with Kalaratiri I would think..... |
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3401
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:40:15 -
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God damn you people are tiresome. Kill the ******* tower, pat yourselves on the back about it, and shut the **** up about it, please.
No, I won't be there. No, I don't want/need to be there. No, I don't give a flying **** about those 'slaves', or what you do with them. No, you don't need any help shooting an undefended tower.
This is Amarr's problem. Let these 'Imperial Outlaws' deal with it as they please, presumably with lots of imperialing and outlawing.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
2230
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:41:01 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:God damn you people are tiresome. Kill the ******* tower, pat yourselves on the back about it, and shut the **** up about it, please.
No, I won't be there. No, I don't want/need to be there. No, I don't give a flying **** about those 'slaves', or what you do with them. No, you don't need any help shooting an undefended tower.
This is Amarr's problem. Let these 'Imperial Outlaws' deal with it as they please, presumably with lots of imperialing and outlawing.
We are no longer part of ILAW. for the record. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3401
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:47:38 -
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CCP, **** this ******* forum with a giant ******* fuckstick.
Please remove this comment. Thanks.
... Love you too.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
121
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:56:44 -
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There is no negotiating table, there are no demands nor diplomatic ventures to put on said table. There is an offer to aid those in need of it. It's been freely given and it is a measure of Pyre's fall from any vestige of honor or principle that these people are to be considered assets to be negotiated over.
I am less than impressed by the grandstanding on display. Pyre has been shown more than once that they are outnumbered and outmatched when push comes to shove, so this chestbeating is odd to watch.
The offer has been made and rejected, which eliminates at least some potential motivations. Any decent ones, for one. |
Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
748
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Posted - 2015.01.04 17:39:19 -
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Mizhara, be quiet, will you?
-Eran |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4406
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Posted - 2015.01.04 17:55:15 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Mizhara, be quiet, will you?
-Eran
No, she's clearly constitutionally unable - just as she is constitutionally unable to tell the difference between grandstanding and telling people to stop shouting at us.
I'd remind you that Nauplius was the one who advertised the fact that we were involved, obviously for the precise reason of trying to get as many capsuleers from differing factions to show up at the same time in the hopes of causing precisely this kind of charlie-fox. Who knows, perhaps he also enjoys the experience of having half the capsuleers who frequent this facility turning up and incontinently posting gibberish and threats?
What's hillarious was that we went fishing for an organisation to perform the second half of this operation precisely to avoid what's happened here and none of you would commit to it, you were either all 'too busy' or else just interested in who might turn up to get ambushed. Those of you who are interested in quietly talking towards the end of getting something achieved rather than just shiptoasting in here, anyway.
No. The poor slaves being treated so monstrously will neither be inducted into Nation or sold to the highest bidder as human chattel. Do not mistake the impulse to tell people trying to dictate terms to us to take a long walk off a short docking gantry as anything other than that.
I suspect the corporation will find it inconvenient to contribute to this thread any further.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
273
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Posted - 2015.01.04 18:14:20 -
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So what do we have here?
An utterly demented Khanid who thinks that he's a Red God's messiah of some sort, puts a free faction tower for the people to shoot at.
People shoot at the free tower.
Drama ensues.
Some former, or not so former, Nation loyalists who are at the same time happen to be Caldari and Amarr loyalists (blame the militia enlistment rules and the fact that eggers are ridiculously hard to permakill for that, I suppose) also shoot the tower, along with some ex-Minmatar who are also ex-Angels and now apparently are into the Sansha-Caldari-Amarr triune because such a great shock (of seeing a single egger switch loyalties at random) would cure the Republic from corruption and whatnot.
More drama ensues.
And I have still enough Crash and whiskey to last until the tower killmail itself! Woo!
I'm really sorry. Bad girl. But I speak truth, and the truth, if applied in lethal doses, can still cure this f-ing world.
Probably.
Edit: on the other hand, I probably should join PYRE and shoot the tower too, but I doubt they'll accept my humble DPS services and I don't speak Napanii.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
122
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Posted - 2015.01.04 18:19:28 -
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I fail to see where anyone has tried to dictate terms to anyone, other than Tiberious here. We have offered aid, even going so far as to going through neutral third parties to give a degree of safety from violent shenanigans towards you, with no conditions or demands.
This has been met with blatant hostility, demands for violent interjection, potentially jeopardizing both our own and any survivors by making ourselves vulnerable to ambush for seemingly no reason other than a desire to create a conflict.
And I'd remind you Pieter, that Pyre were the ones advertising the fact that you had done this over the Summit, long before Nauplius posted anything here. |
ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
556
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Posted - 2015.01.04 18:40:48 -
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Brutors do it better, why you would want to eradicate what makes any race unique is beyond me. All have their talents all have their uses. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1068
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:18:49 -
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It is so nice to see that the one time someone other than PIE orchestrates an operation against the Butcher's towers, it turns into a public fiasco.
The Butcher does not need all of this attention. If you're going to assist in some way, then just do it. If you need to coordinate, then do it directly over private communication channels instead of over a public medium like this.
This is ridiculous. |
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
688
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:30:24 -
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And this is why the cluster needs more professionalism. No one has any class any more, I swear! |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
123
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:54:36 -
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At this point, I'd take any PIE involvement over the yammering chestbeating from the TS-F exiles. For all your moral failures in regards to human beings, there's at least a semblance of civility and I suspect simple offers of humanitarian aid would have been met with something other than "bring the spaceviolence or gtfo" thing. |
Esil Skor
Abhorrence.
12
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:22:26 -
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It would seem that the only thing that actually matters here is who takes down the tower. By definition, they get to choose what is done with any survivors. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1534
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:35:44 -
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Incompetence and shortsightedness.
This tower could be an excellent bait to lure abolitionist jerks and hotdrop them while they were bashing. And you just burn down assets and kill Nauplius's slaves for nothing, trying to "save" couple of them.
Disgusting. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1074
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:42:36 -
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Shove off, Kim. |
Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
748
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:47:49 -
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Ms. Del'thul,
You came onto this thread questioning whether the Amarr could handle Nauplius, followed by an offer of transportation in a military operation. They asked for guns and you offer a hauler. I'm sure if they need a hauler they'll let you know, but if that's all you have to offer then I don't understand why you talk so much about what they should do and how they should handle the situation. I'm sure your offer has been noted and will be requested if needed; you need not press the issue further.
Now you accuse ex-TS-F members of chest-beating; in what way are they chest-beating? You don't like the way they operate, that's fine. I wasn't a fan of being in the same alliance as some of those toasters but unless I was going to do something about it I kept my mouth shut. At the end of the day, they're getting the job done. Whether they pray to Master Kuvakei or not before they crawl into bed really doesn't matter.
Ms. Kim,
If the TLF had much of a force left then I could see your point. As things stand, most of their mercenaries seem to be taking a summer vacation in other regions. Taking the tower down is more of a political move than anything else.
-Eran |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
123
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Posted - 2015.01.04 23:16:54 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Ms. Del'thul,
You came onto this thread questioning whether the Amarr could handle Nauplius, followed by an offer of transportation in a military operation. They asked for guns and you offer a hauler. I'm sure if they need a hauler they'll let you know, but if that's all you have to offer then I don't understand why you talk so much about what they should do and how they should handle the situation. I'm sure your offer has been noted and will be requested if needed; you need not press the issue further.
A neutral party's transportation, following any potential military action, to ensure transparency and reduce (or even eliminate) the potential for violent altercations over the fate of survivors and those in need. I would think that's quite a good offer, especially given that it is made to enemies.
The issue pressed is the manner of refusing this (and other very reasonable offers), indicating ulterior motives. Pyre is quite capable of finishing the job themselves, or I'm sure they wouldn't have started it. Why such an insistence on having hostiles on the field? Why demand putting ships and crew at risk of an ambush by the people who are demonstrably as bad or even worse than Nauplius, holding the fate of these survivors hostage unless this is done?
It certainly demonstrates quite well that the fate and well being of those survivors is less important than bringing an enemy fleet to a specific location at a specific time. I'm sure you're quite capable of understanding why this is a rather suspicious demand made with these people held hostage in such a manner.
I am quite certain that if I approached Pyre or Outlaws to come help us with the POSes we reinforced lately, it'd be rather suspicious. Holding something hostage if they don't comply with that demand, worse still.
Quote:Now you accuse ex-TS-F members of chest-beating; in what way are they chest-beating? You don't like the way they operate, that's fine. I wasn't a fan of being in the same alliance as some of those toasters but unless I was going to do something about it I kept my mouth shut. At the end of the day, they're getting the job done. Whether they pray to Master Kuvakei or not before they crawl into bed really doesn't matter.
I am fairly sure I've already gathered more Pyre kills than losses both in isk and numbers to them already, so I've already done my part in "doing something about it". At the end of the day, they might be destroying this POS, but I think we can all agree that there are more to a group of people than one act here and one act there, particularly when the demands they're making is taken into account.
Madmen fighting a madman is all well and good, but the blatant hostility towards any humanitarian effort certainly leads to questions about what these Nation lunatics are actually planning to do with the survivors.
Given their public and repeated statements on their allegiance and long-term intents, this is not an unreasonable thing to ponder.
In short, the TS-F exiles being the quite loquacious face of PY-RE does not exactly engender trust in that entity, their motivations or their claims. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
2233
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Posted - 2015.01.04 23:29:04 -
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Actually we can settle this. I am pretty sure that linking killboards is frowned on here, but for your elucidation we have killed 6.5 billion ISK worth of Ushra'Khan ships, while losing 2.5 billion ISK to Ushra'Khan.
Not that I am chest beating, but you're now making blatantly false claims and need to return yourself to reality. |
Shiva Makoto
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
42
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Posted - 2015.01.04 23:30:37 -
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GÿÉ Not REKT GÿÉ REKT Gÿæ Tyrannosaurus REKT |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
123
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Posted - 2015.01.04 23:57:18 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Actually we can settle this. I am pretty sure that linking killboards is frowned on here, but for your elucidation we have killed 6.5 billion ISK worth of Ushra'Khan ships, while losing 2.5 billion ISK to Ushra'Khan.
Not that I am chest beating, but you're now making blatantly false claims and need to return yourself to reality.
Did I mention Ushra'Khan? I was called out personally, and I responded quite accurately on what I have done. I have faced you in combat and I have both destroyed and had ships destroyed in these instances. I have done my part in "doing something", would you not agree?
Unless of course you know of any other metric to use, the poor mechanics of the only recording system we have available are what we got.
Of course, raising to the childish bait of Mintor was a mistake to begin with, that much I'll grant you.
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