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Vardemis
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa Seriously, how can bumping someone of the arena be a viable and allowed tactic? That alone should be enough to cancel the whole thing imho.
Afaik you are suposed to win by destroying your opponent via use of fire power right? Thats kinda the whole idea isnt it? This is supposed to show the best of EVE pvp and last time I tried I sure didnt get a free kill when bumping someone of a gate in Jita...
This is so frikkin stupid its beyond anything I've ever seen in an EVE event. B011ocks!
/Lowa
I completly agree.
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.12.02 20:55:00 -
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A bit more happy now, seems like most ppl still shows up with mostly firepower (and Nos) so the action has picked up. \o/
Still a stupid rule and it also makes for some wierd endings.
/Lowa
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 02/12/2006 22:24:13
Did you see my whinethread about it ?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=435432
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LeMonde
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Posted - 2006.12.03 01:23:00 -
[214]
Schedule Standings
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Kathar Narka
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kathar Narka on 03/12/2006 03:23:55
Originally by: LeMonde Schedule Standings
w00t, thx.
However, I may be misunderstanding something...but I think the standings and schedule may be mistaken.
GROUP H has 2 extra alliances that already are in other groups:
Band of Brothers (From G) Ascendant Frontier (From D)
As a result, BoB & ASCN ended up being mis-scheduled as well? Again, perhaps I'm missing a change.
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QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.03 04:17:00 -
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You also have E-R with 3 points, even though they lost their match against Anarchy Empire.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
ookke
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Posted - 2006.12.03 12:32:00 -
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and COW beat RIOT, not the other way around like the standings claim.
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NoWeR
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.03 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: NoWeR on 03/12/2006 13:38:35
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: NoWeR
Originally by: Ithildin
I feel violated. Now I got to go cry in the shower
Could u please edit this, i dont think its even remotly funny.
While it is certainly not necessary for you to understand it, it seems you are oddly offended by it so I'll explain it.
Peaches is a Swedish girl-group with the lead singer at around 8 to 10 years old when they recorded "Rosa Helikopter" (if you go to an online radio site such as last.fm you should be able to sample the song), which for some odd reason actually got into the Swedish hit-lists during an agonizing period of time. The song is thoroughly poor quality with all the hallmarks of mass produced pop music, complete with electronic voice modulation and silly-cute lyrics that hint a bit too much towards mature subjects such as sex to be sung by what can only be called young children. For those of us with either a bit more sophisticated music taste or (in my case) darker and less pop-music inspired music taste, "Rosa Helikopter" is an agonizing song to listen to.
Shin Ra know this, and he know that most Swedish people either reacts to the song with strong aversion or a sadistic appreciation (spawned only because of those who react with aversion) towards the song. Shin Ra know that I'm one of those who react with a strong aversion to the song, and he likes to poke fun at me and any other Swedes by mentioning this particular song. Which is fine and in a way rather fun. As long as no one actually play the song, that is.
Now is the joke clear to you, NoWeR, or do you still think it offensive?
LeMonde, please accept my apology for this off topic clarification.
Yes it is, i dont care about your music or ur jokes, as a psicologist in an hospital for some time i had to treat with a lot of gilds that had been violated, and in fact most of them go cry to the shower and harm herselfs while trying to "clean", so it woulndt be even remotly funny for u if u had saw what i saw. But u dont need to understand it, jokes are more important, right.
Do you think its still so funny for me?
Edit. Nah dont answer me, dont need it,theres nothing u can say that changes my opinion about it, and its worthless arguing in the forums.
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.12.03 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet You also have E-R with 3 points, even though they lost their match against Anarchy Empire.
E-U dont mind
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QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:15:00 -
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Heh, agreed.
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TWD
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: TWD on 03/12/2006 15:53:37 For next weekend, can all ships be scrambled to avoid warp outs due to CTDs or accidental "misclicks"? |
ookke
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 03/12/2006 15:53:37 For next weekend, can all ships be scrambled to avoid warp outs due to CTDs or accidental "misclicks"?
A giant mobile warp disruptor would be awesome, make it quite easy to see the arena edge too.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.12.03 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 03/12/2006 21:46:54 Rule clarification needed:
Quote: If two teams are equal in points, the following ranking system will be used: Kill/loss difference Result of match between the two involved alliances. The greatest number of kills.
Group F, with a not unrealistic scenario: IAC beat Xelas Terra Incognita beat Xelas The Red Skull beat MC The Red Skull beat Terra Incognita
result: TRS, IAC and TI will all have 3 wins and 1 loss.
I want the exact rules on how this would be decided cleared up.
"Kill/loss difference" - come on, this needs to be cleared up. First off, some teams field 5 ships, some 4 or 3. Second, we have a match in our group that IAC "won" vs TI - but TI was declared winner cause IAC broke the rules. Now how the heck do you count the kill-loss ratio from that?
*edit* And how about... FIX THE ****ING SECURITY HITS! I lost 0.8 sec status and 2 ppl got kill-rights(!) on me from last fight.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.12.03 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 03/12/2006 15:53:37 For next weekend, can all ships be scrambled to avoid warp outs due to CTDs or accidental "misclicks"?
I like this idea,, Also i would really wish that the sys we fighting in could get some more power its very laggy in there with all the drone ships
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Johnatan
VVS Corporition Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.04 11:32:00 -
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If i¦m not mistaken - there is no prizes on this tournament, no? ))))))))
And yes, put Giant Warp Disruptor probe in arena, plz. :))) ---- start cut here ---- Evil Thug`s alt. ----- end cut here ----- |
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LeMonde
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 03/12/2006 21:46:54 Rule clarification needed:
Quote: If two teams are equal in points, the following ranking system will be used: Kill/loss difference Result of match between the two involved alliances. The greatest number of kills.
Group F, with a not unrealistic scenario: IAC beat Xelas Terra Incognita beat Xelas The Red Skull beat MC The Red Skull beat Terra Incognita
result: TRS, IAC and TI will all have 3 wins and 1 loss.
I want the exact rules on how this would be decided cleared up.
"Kill/loss difference" - come on, this needs to be cleared up. First off, some teams field 5 ships, some 4 or 3. Second, we have a match in our group that IAC "won" vs TI - but TI was declared winner cause IAC broke the rules. Now how the heck do you count the kill-loss ratio from that?
*edit* And how about... FIX THE ****ING SECURITY HITS! I lost 0.8 sec status and 2 ppl got kill-rights(!) on me from last fight.
The kill/loss difference works like this:
Alliance A and Alliance B both have 6 points in their bracket, one of them will get second place and the other third.
Alliance A has lost 30 points worth of ships and killed 90 points worth of ships, this gives them a score of 60.
Alliance B has lost 20 points worth of ships and killed 90 points worth of ships, this gives them a score of 70.
Alliance B goes through.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:17:00 -
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Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
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LeMonde
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: LeMonde
Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 04/12/2006 21:07:37
Originally by: dalman This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
Lol, well actually there is one other 'feesible option' they could just give you the kill/loss points that you deserve
There are lots of teams that have wins but lost ships in the process...
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/12/2006 22:19:21
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: LeMonde
Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
BS, you didn't kill 28 points, you killed 9, and frankly I don't see why you care since you're number 1 in the bracket anyway
Only "feasible" option is to give IAC 12 points, and BE 9.
I don't see anywhere in the rules saying "unless the verdict is overturned in which case lawyers get bonus points"
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/12/2006 22:19:21
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: LeMonde
Originally by: dalman Right, fair enough (and bad for us).
Still a bit unclear though...
When not all ship points are used, they're counting as lost/killed, right? So our match vs IAC, we only used 25 points. But it still counts as us losing 30 and IAC killing 30?
And what is the points killed/lost from IAC vs Terra I? If IAC was disqualified in this match... Then this counts as a 30-0 win for Terra I?
The number 30 is just pulled out of thin air, the max number of killed/lost pts for each match is 28.
Unused points count against you as losses and for your enemy as kill points.
I don't have the exact stats for the IAC/Terra fight with me, the commentators have the numbers and we will go through them/verify with recorded footage if we need to.
This is an all or nothing decision. You can't count this as a win for us, but still afford us the loss points.
It doesn't make any difference whether or not IAC would have won when it comes down to calculating points.
There is no feesible option other than to count it as a 28-0 victory for us.
BS, you didn't kill 28 points, you killed 9, and frankly I don't see why you care since you're number 1 in the bracket anyway
Only "feasible" option is to give IAC 12 points, and BE 9.
I don't see anywhere in the rules saying "unless the verdict is overturned in which case lawyers get bonus points"
That is not the point I'm making.
When looking at a rule infraction there are no rules to guide how something like that works. In our case it would be very easy to say "keep the same points as it wouldn't have made any difference". However, if (IF) the rule thing did make a difference to the outcome, then you can't take the actual outcome as basis for calculating points - that would not be fair. I'm sure you agree with me so far.
So what it comes down to is LeMonde deciding whether or not the rule infraction constitutes an outright win, or a win on some sort of scale. Defining excatly how much the rule infraction counts for is impossible to fairly decide. You will always have both sides arguing their case. No judicial system was implemented governing this tournament, no appeals process detailed so right now it is not a flexible system - You can win, draw, loose. If you break the rules, you loose. There is no IF/BUT/WHY about it. Awarding us the victory is enough precident for us to argue for recieveing the full 28 point victory. Furthermore, we did not "win" as such, but you were disqualified. A dq counts as a loss for you, and thus a win for us. All the opposing side can argue is "they didn't kill this much" and "it wouldn't have made a difference". Neither matters because of the reasons mentioned above.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:53:00 -
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This needs to be sorted now, because it is of utmost relevance to our 3 teams. Which is quite obvious by Shin Ra and Tyrrax' responces after realising the situation.
For me, I have a very difficult task regardless of the decission to put our team through. But the task do change by the decission.
Judge the IAC vs TI match as:
Win for TI, but 12-9 score for IAC, and the result is: IAC gets positive difference for their one loss and are for sure through if they beat Xelas. - And it's a run between TRS and TI who gets best ratio to follow IAC through.
Win for TI, but 0-28 score, and the result is: If TRS beat TI, they're sure for through anyway if they beat Xelas. - And it's a run between TRS and IAC who gets best ratio to follow TI through.
Don't get me wrong. I fully understand the difficulty for our team to win against TI and MC, and that perhaps Xelas could upset someone. But we can't sit here on saturday night and say "****, it happened - now it's all down to Lemonde to decide which teams go through". Our teams need to know the decision already as it influences the choices of line-ups ppl will want to use.
ps, of course I meant 28 points above. You picking 30 instead of 28 just set me up, hehe
Oh, and thanks to the guy putting my name on Shin Ra's quote above. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:02:00 -
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We didn't get disqualified or we wouldn't still be in the Tournament, a single fight's result was overturned.
Frankly it would be idiotic and unfair to TRS and MC if BE got 28 points without earning them. BE should never get more than 9 points, regardless of whether IAC gets the 12 points the rules say we should.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk BE should never get more than 9 points, regardless of whether IAC gets the 12 points the rules say we should.
lol! Suggesting a 9-0 win for Burn Eden? To make it all out with Shin with lots of kisses and hugging? As even a 9-0 defeat puts you in the driving seat since you beat our "no-show-team" with such a margin... ... and also means BE are quite safe as we'd have to give them a royal spanking to leap-frog them in the table?
Way to go. So sublime, yet so obvious.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:41:00 -
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No I'm just saying it would be incredibly dumb to give them 28 points.
Personally I interpret the rules as giving us 12 points and them 9 points but them getting the "win" which is far more important than the points.
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LeMonde
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:48:00 -
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The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:59:00 -
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worst call ever
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.12.05 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: SATAN on 05/12/2006 03:53:12
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk .,|,,
worst call ever
I dont understand why you see it that way.
If say an F1 team wins a race and is awarded the 9 points for the victory towards the season championship, second place gets 6 and so on.
At the tech inspection after the race they are cought using an illegal item or the car is under weight. They are then stripped of the victory and the points awarded towards the championship. The second place team is then awarded the full 9 points for victory, and third place is given 6 points, etc, etc... it is like that in every competative arena.
Awarding the team that cheated/broke the rules by giving them the full 9 points would be wrong and not fair to every other team, not just the team that came in second.
Besides all that I dont see why you guys would be upset, you are in very good position to move on if you defeat Xeles or not. Either way you will be in either 1st or 2nd slot depending the rest of the brackets fights.
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