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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
Shin, all 'rules' aside, do you really think you won that match and deserve all the points? I know it won't change anything, I'm just curious. -
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Lazydog
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:55:00 -
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any chance that the ship kill/loss points ratios can be added to the standings tables before this coming weekends fighting?
Looking at the groups standings atm there is quite a few alliances where knowing this could be quite important, trolling through the forums trying to find this info out is a nightmare, and not guarenteed to be 100% accurate. Theres going to be a lot of, "if we win and they lose or they kill XX points and they lose by XX points" factors involved, stratages will be required IMO.
just a thought.
Ixion Unleashed Army Fleet Commander "Leeroy" Manoeuvres Division
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
Shin, all 'rules' aside, do you really think you won that match and deserve all the points? I know it won't change anything, I'm just curious.
I personally do not think we really won that match. I don't think we deserve all the points.
But what LeMonde did was the only feesible option for him. If IAC had fitted faction equipment on, for example, you could quite easily relate us loosing to that fact. But, droping a standard can - very difficult to relate. But so long as there are 0.000001% of doubt, you cannot do anything but award us full points. I'm not saying its fair to IAC, it probably isn't, but a rule is a rule is a rule. You cannot cross the line 1 bit otherwise your whole team gets dq'ed - as SATAN point out with the F1 example.
Its easy to argue the case either way, but IAC's argument is simply - we wouldn't have killed them anyway. If we had fitted all officer mods and you still beat us, would that make it ok? No. The rules are quite clear, IAC admitted they messed up with that, they should be punished. There is no debate here and the call has already been made. Either its against the rules, team gets DQ'ed and looses all their points or its not against the rules and nothing new happens.
You cannot make an effective counter argument to this.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:12:00 -
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^^
Excellent reply. Dude, seriously, you need to stop doing this or no one will hate you anymore. -
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 05/12/2006 21:48:15
*golf claps for lawyers*
I don't really think what Raem said has any impact on this at all, I just think it's stupid that our messing up gives you points you didn't earn, total crap to give you more than 9 points.
Doesn't really have any effect on IAC, worst for TRS who now have approximately zero chance of advancing even if they walk all over MC and Burn Eden.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 05/12/2006 23:30:35 Yea, heh. I didn't do any table before I brought this up, just knew there was a situation. And indeed IAC is still basicly through already unless Xelas beat them, even with that judged as a 28-0 loss. So that desicion was indeed a very good one for Burn Eden and bad for us.
Still feels alot better to know the task at hand now... ...compared to a situation where we would have managed to beat BE and MC and started on our match vs beer - only for LeMonde to then announce "sorry guys, but you're still out on killpoins cause BE gets 28-0 vs IAC". Cause that would seriously feel something like if he had gone "whooop dee doo, /heal impoc 0, your team dropped a can".
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.06 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Cause that would seriously feel something like if he had gone "whooop dee doo, /heal impoc 0, your team dropped a can".
IMO, the whole /heal 0 thing should be changed to maybe just TP the offending ship out of the area. Because, honestly, if the Impoc had gotten /heal 0'd how in the hell would you write that up for the game fiction? Not to mention how pathetically lame it would have been. -
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.06 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: dalman Cause that would seriously feel something like if he had gone "whooop dee doo, /heal impoc 0, your team dropped a can".
IMO, the whole /heal 0 thing should be changed to maybe just TP the offending ship out of the area. Because, honestly, if the Impoc had gotten /heal 0'd how in the hell would you write that up for the game fiction? Not to mention how pathetically lame it would have been.
/heal 0 is there to prevent people from saving ship rather than fighting to the end, nothing else.
That said, there should be more warning. A special (what is it?) 20-minute and 60km radius warp disrupt probe would be perfect (and also prevent people from accidentally warping). - EVE is sick. |
El Yatta
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.06 22:49:00 -
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Theres no reason not to RP it though,and just have 3-4 ISD, who are there anyway, in Wyverns ready to BBQ someone who goes out of range.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.07 09:31:00 -
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I just reviewed a few of the second tourney matches, and at one point a CTD player asked be brought back into the arena, but the opposing team would have had to agree (and didn't).
That kind of implies a CTD not giving a ship destruction last tourney.
It wouldd sort of advocate Logoffski to save, say, a Caldari Navy Raven. I guess in spite of being unhappy about rubbing in the pain of unlucky power failures during a critical match, I prefer the new rules.
Of course I (or my alliance, really) is not in the tourney this time around *), so don't listen to me.
I'd still cry a little if that Impoc CTDed, but you don't bring ships to PvP you're not prepared to lose, right, never mind what the rest of the EvE Universe considers expendable.
*) I believe LeMonde refused to sign up an alliance he couldn't pronounce, hehe - ah, no really, we were one of the late entries. --
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.07 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd I just reviewed a few of the second tourney matches, and at one point a CTD player asked be brought back into the arena, but the opposing team would have had to agree (and didn't).
That kind of implies a CTD not giving a ship destruction last tourney.
Only time that happened was in IAC's match with BoB, and was just cos it was in semi-finals that they chose to be a bit more flexible.
Every single CTD in the tournament resulted in ship destruction.
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Heinky
Amarr BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: LeMonde The rules infraction means a complete loss for IAC, and a 28 point win for Terra Incognita.
The fight should have been stopped the second the container was dropped, and thus the rest of the fight would have been/was irrelevant.
The fight didn't change at all after the can was dropped and scooped almost immediately. As regrettable as the rule infraction is, this ruling is bull****. It doesn't benefit anyone, except for Shin Ra's apparent vindictive nature.
You said the fight didn't change after the can was dropped. This is probably true, we are not denying it. However, you cannot be 100% sure of this fact. This doubt is why you cannot effectively argue your point.
Shin, all 'rules' aside, do you really think you won that match and deserve all the points? I know it won't change anything, I'm just curious.
What ever shin ra and his forum charm thinks, i know it did matter and we did deserve it 100%. Not going into details so i wont have to post to much.
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JesseAWESOME
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:04:00 -
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wats the irc channel for eve tv!!
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Dogal
ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.15 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: JesseAWESOME wats the irc channel for eve tv!!
You'll find it on the coldfront server and channel #evetv
:)
This thread no need sticky any longer, good fights everyone.
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