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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
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Posted - 2015.01.04 12:17:58 -
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So now that we've gotten rid of clone costs and the risk of losing skill points through not updating your clone, etc -
CONCORD should pod people in high sec so that they risk their implants, too. After all if suicide is a choice, then suicide should have appropriate consequences. Perhaps the next clone will be more viable for social integration... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.04 12:23:17 -
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no, pod them yourself, its hilarious.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.01.04 12:24:50 -
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Funnily enough, yesterday I was discussing that with some of my corp guys. Definitely supported.
*sits back, grabs some popcorn and waits for the show*
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1863
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Posted - 2015.01.04 12:26:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, pod them yourself, its hilarious.
Don't get me wrong I'm not against ganking at all. But it should take a team effort. One lone player should not be able to, say, bring down a bowhead just by re-shipping over and over and.... |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3122
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Posted - 2015.01.04 13:12:19 -
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Why? Or do you figure that, with the med clone changes and the removal of death cloning, this would turn ganking into a once a day thing? |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2096
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Posted - 2015.01.04 13:21:24 -
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Ptraci wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, pod them yourself, its hilarious. Don't get me wrong I'm not against ganking at all. But it should take a team effort. One lone player should not be able to, say, bring down a bowhead just by re-shipping over and over and....
a bow head fit that badly...yeah it should burn.
A tanked bowhead with logi probably cant be ganked with one ship at a time. then there are all the other ways to avoid ganking.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Lugh Crow-Slave
393
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Posted - 2015.01.04 13:45:13 -
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who the hell suicide ganks with an implanted clone? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8274
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Posted - 2015.01.04 14:25:10 -
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Ptraci wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, pod them yourself, its hilarious. Don't get me wrong I'm not against ganking at all. But it should take a team effort. One lone player should not be able to, say, bring down a bowhead just by re-shipping over and over and.... Well that's the nature of buffer tanking, and in the case you're thinking about all it would have taken is for one friend to come and counter bump the bumpMac but he didn't do that, he logged hoping the ewarp/logoff would save him.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1865
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Posted - 2015.01.04 14:53:17 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Ptraci wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, pod them yourself, its hilarious. Don't get me wrong I'm not against ganking at all. But it should take a team effort. One lone player should not be able to, say, bring down a bowhead just by re-shipping over and over and.... a bow head fit that badly...yeah it should burn. A tanked bowhead with logi probably cant be ganked with one ship at a time. then there are all the other ways to avoid ganking.
So you figure the freighter pilot should bring a few friends to do logi for him, whereas a single pilot repeatedly jumping into ejected catalysts is ok. You don't think this is a broken mechanic at all. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1865
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Posted - 2015.01.04 14:54:03 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:who the hell suicide ganks with an implanted clone?
That's not the point. The point is when your clone is killed you find yourself back in a station somewhere, not on grid next to your Orca and all the catalysts you have prepared. |
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
84
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:32:18 -
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+1 I have always thought that a Concord response should end with them blowing up ship or ships taking the pods with them. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
782
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:35:51 -
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By this standard, all NPC's should pod you.
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Bob Maths
EVE University Ivy League
21
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Posted - 2015.01.04 16:38:10 -
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Where are the consequences now that skill clones are gone? "Implants? So what, I've got a 100m industry clone." |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.01.04 17:30:05 -
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Ptraci wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:who the hell suicide ganks with an implanted clone? That's not the point. The point is when your clone is killed you find yourself back in a station somewhere, not on grid next to your Orca and all the catalysts you have prepared. Like you said, if no one suicide ganks in an implanted clone then it really is no biggie, right? Ok, so you set your medical clone to a station in the system you're ganking in, then when you get podded, you appear right with all your backup ships. No more having to warp to the orca, alt tab to orca pilot, eject catalyst, alt tab back to ganker, board catalyst, all while making sure your machariel pilot keeps bumping away. I like this idea. Makes suicide ganking easier.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Paranoid Loyd
3383
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Posted - 2015.01.04 18:26:18 -
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Ptraci wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Ptraci wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:no, pod them yourself, its hilarious. Don't get me wrong I'm not against ganking at all. But it should take a team effort. One lone player should not be able to, say, bring down a bowhead just by re-shipping over and over and.... a bow head fit that badly...yeah it should burn. A tanked bowhead with logi probably cant be ganked with one ship at a time. then there are all the other ways to avoid ganking. So you figure the freighter pilot should bring a few friends to do logi for him, whereas a single pilot repeatedly jumping into ejected catalysts is ok. You don't think this is a broken mechanic at all. He was not alone, he had friends helping him.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
192
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Posted - 2015.01.04 18:53:24 -
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Saves me a warp. +1
But yeah, no. I don't see who gets anything out of this. Anti-gankers seem to enjoy the odd time they catch a pod, give them something at least
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Mag's
the united
18483
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Posted - 2015.01.04 18:58:36 -
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Sure why not, won't make the slightest difference. Except to make life easier for the ganker. Then you can run back to the forums and whine about something else, asking for another nerf. Just one more, then it will be balanced. Amirite?
I find it hilariously funny though that you complain about someone solo, killing someone solo. (Even though the ganker wasn't solo, but then why let facts get in the way?)
FT Diomedes wrote:By this standard, all NPC's should pod you. This must be a part of that patch too. Oh my, the forum threadnaughts would be massive.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:03:49 -
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Ptraci wrote:So now that we've gotten rid of clone costs and the risk of losing skill points through not updating your clone, etc -
CONCORD should pod people in high sec so that they risk their implants, too. After all if suicide is a choice, then suicide should have appropriate consequences. Perhaps the next clone will be more viable for social integration... only supported because one guy constantly resupplying ships with an orca is about silly, if your going to cause trouble, at least have enough guys to do it in one shot |
Lugh Crow-Slave
399
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:04:20 -
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Ptraci wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:who the hell suicide ganks with an implanted clone? That's not the point.
if that wasn't the point then why is it the only reason you listed?
Ptraci wrote: CONCORD should pod people in high sec so that they risk their implants, too. After all if suicide is a choice, then suicide should have appropriate consequences. Perhaps the next clone will be more viable for social integration...
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Mag's
the united
18483
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:06:41 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Ptraci wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:who the hell suicide ganks with an implanted clone? That's not the point. if that wasn't the point then why is it the only reason you listed? Ptraci wrote: CONCORD should pod people in high sec so that they risk their implants, too. After all if suicide is a choice, then suicide should have appropriate consequences. Perhaps the next clone will be more viable for social integration...
For god sake Lugh, please don't point out the obvious. It's not proper forum etiquette, don't you know.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:07:45 -
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Mag's wrote:For god sake Lugh, please don't point out the obvious. It's not proper forum etiquette, don't you know? O.o Everything i know is a lie! |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.04 19:16:11 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Mag's wrote:For god sake Lugh, please don't point out the obvious. It's not proper forum etiquette, don't you know? O.o Everything i know is a lie! I have a tin of Tartan paint for sale, that's definitely not a lie. Honest guv, it's a limited Quafe edition.
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It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
784
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Posted - 2015.01.04 20:21:59 -
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Mag's wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Mag's wrote:For god sake Lugh, please don't point out the obvious. It's not proper forum etiquette, don't you know? O.o Everything i know is a lie! I have a tin of Tartan paint for sale, that's definitely not a lie. Honest guv, it's a limited Quafe edition.
I'll buy it! I want to hear people say, "he's gone plaid!"
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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance
45
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Posted - 2015.01.04 20:31:30 -
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+1 - imagine all the ganker tears that will be shed here on the forums. It will be worth it just for the lolz.
Nobody will be risking implants anyways if they are ganking stuff, losing the pod means nothing other than sending them home to reship. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
387
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:21:18 -
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-1
It's much more fun to simply point the pod until he decides to self destruct it, and shortly before the self destruct goes off, you pop the pod.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
466
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:35:52 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:who the hell suicide ganks with an implanted clone? Seen several with the cheaper hardwirings for damage, and +2s.
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Tech 3 battleships.
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Khador Vess
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
225
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:42:34 -
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So... just to get this straight... are you proposing that pod loss is mandatory (like losing your ship) when you gank as part of this this change or simply that concord 'could' pod you if you stay on grid too long after ganking someone (just like a player could pod you if you stayed on grid long enough for them to lock you)... Its a subtle distinction but an important one here...
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
293
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:55:41 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:By this standard, all NPC's should pod you.
Now I'd support that, more danger for care bears.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2097
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Posted - 2015.01.05 00:40:17 -
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Ptraci wrote:
So you figure the freighter pilot should bring a few friends to do logi for him, whereas a single pilot repeatedly jumping into ejected catalysts is ok. You don't think this is a broken mechanic at all.
Yeah youre right, asking the bow head pilot to work with other players is completely out of the question.
As someone has pointed out, your attempting to tackle what you perceive as a problem with hilariously bad aim.
what in the flying **** have implants got to do with boarding ejected catalysts? Nothing.
Add to this that this type of ganking is even easier to avoid than normal ganking...one blackbird or griffin. One basilisk could make the bowhead invincible against one catalyst at a time.
But since im generous, heres some help with tackling the mechanic you actually seem to have a problem with. How about:
-Criminals (not outlaws) cannot board ships they do not own (or ships at all) in space?
Or
-Boarding a ship in hi-sec whilst criminal triggers instant OTT-doomsday trigger happy-CONCORD?
im assuming any ship thats actually his goes criminal with him, and im not actually sure how ownership works with an orca's bays.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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