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Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:43:00 -
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8/10
nearly believed it for a second.
Then I thought:
1. this is the internet. 2. this is the EvE forums. 3. If this fictional husband loved EvE then he would expect to come back to an empty hangar. 4. this is EvE.
great story though. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:06:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:15:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote: .... I am not assigning blame to anyone.
I wish I knew who these people were, my husband refuses to tell me anything because he knows I would come on here and call them out. But If you are one of those people, know that you are cold and have a mean spirit!
You are attributing blame in your post, and you are probably not genuine.
I would suggest you stop your unstable, addiction prone husband from playing the game...at least for a time until he's more emotionally stable. It is a very addictive game and probably not healthy for him.
Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:16:00 -
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Good effort but paragraph 6 gives away the troll. Specifically placing the word 'company' in quotes to imply a lack of knowledge of EVEs corporations. You would have been better off using the word 'group' as this would be typical of the diction used by someone utterly unfamiliar with the game. You also refer to "there(sic) space" and "ransoming" both concepts familiar to players but that would be foreign to a non player.
The overall structure isnt bad - personalising the protagonist as having problems which they struggle to over come (creating empathy with the reader) followed by a betrayal (creating an emotional response) but theres rather too much " he did this, he did that" which is common in basic stories. A trully aggrieved writer wouldnt include such trivial details.
The more likely approach by a genuine author would be to address the games creators (a faceless corporate group) for allowing said heartless players to exert psychological trauma rather than the 'friends line' as this rather gives away the troll in its efforts to create feelings of guilt in some and to encourage others to post harsh and unsympathetic comments (thus perpetuating the trolling) as players are outraged at the lack of sympathy shown.
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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:17:00 -
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It does sound that your husband was not the most mentally stable person. Here are some viewpoints to consider:
a.) he could have avoided the issue by making it sure ingame that the stuff could not be stolen from him. It also sounded like he had made some questionable security-related decisions that allowed this to happen.
b.) his 'friends' may have confiscated the stuff in the name of continuity, Eve corporations often break down when their leaders go missing. Maybe they confiscated the stuff so that the corp could keep going, maybe they didnt expect him to come back.
c.) Eve has always been viewed as a 'harsh' game. Maybe it was not the best idea to let him back to such a game when he was still recovering. Its like giving a bottle to an alcoholic thats got out of the rehab and expect him to hold it together.
What happened cannot in any case be seen as fault of the players or the game. In eve, trust is a weakness.
ps. IF this was a troll, a for effort. |
Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:21:00 -
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I have been lucky to be a part of a group of friends who play more than just Eve. We play other online games and generally socialize outside of gaming situations. I trust them with my assets because I have lent and even given them away to my friends and always received them back whether I wanted them or not. It also helps that I don't bother much anymore in spaces where my own game assets are accessible to all the players in my corp. Travel with light backpack and a heavy wallet is the way to go.
I'm sorry your husband thought his "friends" were men of good character. They weren't. |
Long John Silver
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:36:00 -
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Whether or not this is a troll, I believe this can happen. EVE does 'suck' people in, you can become obsessed with it especially if you are using it to escape from real-life issues.
BUT you should never EVER lose sight of the fact that EVE is not a 'nice' place. It's full of scallywags, scumbags and scammers. If you can be screwed over, you will - and there's no sympathy on offer when you are.
Maybe EVE should carry a health warning...
But if the OP's husband has been in-game since 2004, he should know how things are by now. Long John Silver | Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:45:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite.
Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Vera Godspiel
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:49:00 -
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Hey Pi Muka,
Good luck with the situation. Sorry to hear he ended up with this kind of people. Whatever the rest of the situation is and whether he did or did not make mistakes; it still sucks for him and probably even more so for you and the rest of his family.
Hang in there.
Oh. for all you people thinking this is a troll or stating the obvious about game mechanics... just think to yourself... what if it's not a troll.... And what if you would be in a similar situation.
If it's a troll... nothing lost and nobody gives a flying F....
On the other hand, if it's not; you just aggrevated it and pissed on someones real emotions that has not asked for this game, doesn't play it and is in real distress.
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
350
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:44:00 -
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G'day Pi Muka,
I imagine a lot has changed in EVE since then and now. I can see how much it has gone down hill in the last 2 years alone.
That said, it sounds like your husband has a lot of experience with this game, so with a little dedication i am sure he could bounce back very well indeed :)
About 8 months after i started playing i decided to move all my isk and assetts to another character and start afresh. Having absolutely nothing to call on, 1 week later i was pretty darn well off.
EVE Online is a game, but it also makes for a good hobby, if he wishes to keep playing, then great! It is not a very nice feeling at all to give up a hobby, what he is going through would be similar to what a RC aircraft enthusiast feels after crashing a prized plane i think.
Of course there are friendly, good people around, if your husband wants to indulge in revenge, get him to contact me :) The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
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The Snowman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:48:00 -
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When a man is this passionate about something, he cant help but talk about it. So its impossible to believe he's never told you about these people he calls friends, or at least talked about them.
unless even his own wife cares so little about his social life, his hobby's and his passions that he doesn't even feel like he can talk to her, then the cruelty doesn't come from his friends, it comes from his estranged wife. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:50:00 -
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This thread is amazing. I can't stop laughing. |
SpaceSquirrels
14
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:35:00 -
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Dont seek the internet for compassion, empathy or the like. People with more ire than you will seek it out and in fact be more cruel.
That's pretty ****** up when you think about it, but true. I would say seek real life things to legitimately improve ones life. Cause the internet dont give no hugs. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
110
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:21:00 -
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Vachir Khan wrote:It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels.
'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever.
Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept.
I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:31:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels. 'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever. Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept. I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse.
It's a game is the perfect excuse. This game revolves around backstabbing, betrayal and destruction.
Crying on the forums that you were betrayed is like a boxer complaining that they got punched. It comes with the game. |
Selinate
129
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:39:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:
It's a game is the perfect excuse. This game revolves around backstabbing, betrayal and destruction.
Crying on the forums that you were betrayed is like a boxer complaining that they got punched. It comes with the game.
Yeah, I totally agree. Just read this story. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/gay-buffalo-teen-commits-suicide-eve-national-bullying/story?id=14571861[/url]. *** totally deserved it, I mean, it is the internet. The internet relies on trolling and flaming, therefor, the bullies can't be held responsible at all.
Same thing with this game. It totally relies on flaming, trolling, and backstabbing, therefor you should do it as much as you can, there's no problem there. Even if you know the person is having a rough time, call him a noob and tell him he should quit the game because he sucks so bad.
The above is the biggest copout you Eve/forum nerds can come up with to be dicks. Man up and think about what you're doing sometimes... |
Feilamya
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:53:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote:He told me he was betrayed by people he considered good friends. Apparently while my husband was in rehab fighting to save his life and his family the people who he believed were his friends kicked him out of the 'company' he was a member of and took everything he owned in game. He said they betrayed him and tried to ransom him for the few remaining things he had stuck in there space. WRONG: He was betrayed. RIGHT: He lost in a game.
WRONG: He was "betrayed" by his friends RIGHT: Those people were other characters in the game, played by real people he has never met and doesn't know personally.
WRONG: He was "betrayed". RIGHT: His character was robbed by other characters.
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Always remember: - Your ingame character is not you. - The ingame characters played by other players are not them. - Your character's stuff is not yours. - Your character's friends are not your friends. - Nothing that happens inside the game world is real. - For the sake of sanity, consider all metagaming as part of the game, or avoid metagaming altogether.
You don't agree? Then don't play games. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
81
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:08:00 -
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I'm not even going to point out all the logical fallacies here, because holy ****.
If someone has an issue with playing video games, they need to deal with it, it's not my problem. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
110
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:06:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:
No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.
So, I can walk up and punch someone in the face during a football match? After all, it's just a football game, right? There're no consequinces in a game, are there?
What's that? You've been charged with assault?
Hey, just tell the judge it was only a game. He'll probably let you off with a warning, huh? |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
113
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:16:00 -
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What some people don't get is, that in a game like EVE were practically everything is allowed, you are still not forced to be an *******.
If you decide to steal and scam then it is not the game that made you do it, the decision was yours and yes, you are an *******, even if you pretend otherwise in the real world. |
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Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:23:00 -
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XIRUSPHERE wrote: If someone is suffering an addiction an MMO is really not the place to spend their time either as they are in their nature inherently an addictive activity.
Depends on the person. Discovering MMOs actually probably saved my life. I fought with drug addiction for about 10 years until I discovered MMOs. Between MMOs and my wife, I've been clean for around 9 years now.
Btw, EVE is not the game he should be playing if he's at a rather vulnerable point in his life. I'm not trolling or whatever, but he'd be better off playing WoW or EQ2 or Vanguard or Conan or Star Trek Online or something more tame right now. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
39
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:28:00 -
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I can see why someone having problems with prescription painkillers could end up in trouble if events in game pissed them off, I am guessing it wasn't a deliberate overdose. OP mentions he was in rehab, the dudes tolerance was probably lower and after getting mad it sounds like he took his "normal" dose and went over.
I have some sympathy if it isn't a troll but on the other hand its not the fault of the players that scammed him either. |
Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:32:00 -
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Feilamya wrote:
Always remember: - Your ingame character is not you. - The ingame characters played by other players are not them. - Your character's stuff is not yours. - Your character's friends are not your friends. - Nothing that happens inside the game world is real. - For the sake of sanity, consider all metagaming as part of the game, or avoid metagaming altogether.
You don't agree? Then don't play games.
Um no. I've actually made some pretty good friends over the last 7 or 8 years gaming that I would not have met if it hadn't been for gaming.
What I will agree about is no one you meet in EVE should be trusted with anything that would affect you personally because you're all a bunch of fucks.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
240
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:50:00 -
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If this is a real post and not a troll, then it's proof that "griefing" as it's called is in fact a metagame experience and not having anything to do with the actual game. Most griefers will never admit to who and what they are, and will always blame everything from the environment ("This is EvE", "This is a sandbox") to blaming the victim. These are the marks of true sociopaths and the world is full of them with more being made every day by not being able to handle crossing paths with existing sociopaths.
Hence the mystery to me, where I wonder if the griefers are people taking RL tendencies to a game, or if they are the victims of other RL greifers (Show us on the files where the tax collector touched your income. Show us on your pay stub where your ex wife garnered most of your income, Show us on your criminal record where the cop beat you up for no reason and charged you with assault, etc) who, having no power in RL to get back at their tormenters, come to the game to get some kind of satisfaction of doing unto others.
The world, going to hell in a handbasket and filling up with people who desperately need to burn, is giving birth to a new sick rule of "do unto others before they do it to you". May the heavens fall.
Otherwise, if this is a troll post, I must say it's a very creative yet predictable one.
Edit regarding painkillers - these drugs should be avoided AT ALL COSTS. If you get shot and need morphine in the field, that's all well and good, but any prescription painkiller should be avoided. I have seen people get unnecessary surgery where their knee, back, elbow, or whatever, actually FEELS like it hurts because their body is so hooked on the stuff it creates pain that needs painkillers. For immediate traumatic injury yes, let them use morphine or knock you out, but don't let your doctor prescribe that stuff, ever, and stay away from it. |
Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:40:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Edit regarding painkillers - these drugs should be avoided AT ALL COSTS. If you get shot and need morphine in the field, that's all well and good, but any prescription painkiller should be avoided. I have seen people get unnecessary surgery where their knee, back, elbow, or whatever, actually FEELS like it hurts because their body is so hooked on the stuff it creates pain that needs painkillers. For immediate traumatic injury yes, let them use morphine or knock you out, but don't let your doctor prescribe that stuff, ever, and stay away from it.
I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :) |
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
147
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:54:00 -
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I like the way how people negatively react about 'friends' in an online game. When you talk to each-other during chat or hear each-other with a mic or even see each-other with a webcam it becomes pretty damn real.
Some people that I met in a online game are now great friends of my and yes we see each-other in real life altho the distance can be problem sometimes.
~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~ |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
26
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Posted - 2011.11.30 23:05:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: I am not arguing. That everyone strong, witty and creative dont feel. But true AI well programmed will actually beat them every time. There is no much difference in thinking between human-being and AI, apart the fact that AI is more capable to adapt.
AI has nothing on human intellect. Maybe in 100 years, but nothing close to human intelligence exists right now. In certain circumstances, an AI can remember a longer list of previous moves and base its decision on the most likely outcome, but no AI is currently capable of supplanting human intelligence and the nuances of understanding and comprehension we possess. Not to mention that computers are terrible at adapting. In fact, we usually have to do this for them. Humans on the other hand have existed for a couple of million years, so we must be doing something right.
The strong, witty and creative feel plenty and probably derive more enjoyment from executing well though-out plans and schemes than the mindless drones shooting red crosses afk. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
111
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Posted - 2011.12.01 00:21:00 -
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Barakkus wrote: I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :)
I can certainly understand your position, but I do have to raise the general objection that if your body hurts, it's because something is wrong and it needs to be fixed. It remains your decision to take medication or not (and I'm not attempting to dispute that right), but don't let personal pride get in the way of sound judgement. |
Pi Muka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.01 04:02:00 -
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hello everyone
I wanted to thank everyone who spoke in support of why I am so upset by this.
My husband is OK, he has returned to treatment and will likely be in there through christmas. His relapse is his own doing regardless of his reasons for it he acknowledges this.
I also have managed to find out the name of the group which my husband was apart of and who stole everything from him but I am torn between what I want to do and what I know he wants and doesn't want.
I know that he would be displeased for me to say anything but I want nothing more than to expose the people who could be so cold as to do this.
Remember real people exist behind the computer. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
111
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Posted - 2011.12.01 04:17:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote: I know that he would be displeased for me to say anything but I want nothing more than to expose the people who could be so cold as to do this.
Right now, you're (quite justifiably) upset. I don't blame you, honestly.
In my opinion, you've exposed them already with your initial post; if they were that callous to begin with, chances are confronting them directly would only make you a target as well.
Glad to hear your husband's doing well, by the way. Hope his recovery is speedy and without further incident. |
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