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Pi Muka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:06:00 -
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My husband has played this video game since at least 2004.
It has been one of his biggest hobbies and has always been greatly important to him.
A couple of years ago, my husband suffered a physical injury which required medication for pain management. Earlier this year that medication became a problem for him as he slowly developed a very severe problem and addiction which nearly cost him his family and I believe his life.
In october we did an intervention with the entire family to help him, and that day he agreed to go into rehabilitation therapy for a month. The rehab went well and he was released 2 days ago (Nov. 28). He returned home in great spirits, he spent the day with his family which consists of myself and his 5 month old son.
That same evening he went downstairs to play this game and see people he believed were his good friends. He was very excited. About 45 minutes later he came back upstairs extreamly upset and distressed. I asked him what was wrong and he refused to tell me until I pushed him as he was acting incredibley volatile and nearly emotional.
He told me he was betrayed by people he considered good friends. Apparently while my husband was in rehab fighting to save his life and his family the people who he believed were his friends kicked him out of the 'company' he was a member of and took everything he owned in game. He said they betrayed him and tried to ransom him for the few remaining things he had stuck in there space.
He said thier reason was because he lost a fight or something and it damaged some statistics for the company. Apparently none of these so called friends would show even a slight kindness to my husband. They took everything he had in game and ridiculed him.
After we spoke he said he was going to 7-eleven for some cigarettes. He did not come home, I was contacted 7 hours later the next morning by medical staff at a nearby hospital. My husband had suffered an overdose.
He is alive thank god, and I am not assigning blame to anyone. But these 'friends' of his were entirely aware of his struggle and I know for a fact had they not been so cruel to him this would not have happened.
My point is, while being cruel can sometimes be fun for those who are not on the recieving end, consider the potential harm you may be causing.
I wish I knew who these people were, my husband refuses to tell me anything because he knows I would come on here and call them out. But If you are one of those people, know that you are cold and have a mean spirit! |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
113
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:14:00 -
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Don't ever expect altruism on the internet, expecting the greater good in a place like eve is an even greater folly.
If someone is suffering an addiction an MMO is really not the place to spend their time either as they are in their nature inherently an addictive activity.
If this is real and not a troll then perhaps it's time he learn to face his problems rather than using avenues of escape, quite a few mean and cruel spirits exist here, it's not a place to hide from real problems. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
76
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:15:00 -
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Assuming this is a legitimate post (and not the standard trolling we see on a daily basis) then it's going to be arguably too difficult for you to understand, but that's the kind of game EvE is. Saying that doesn't justify what happened, but you're unlikely to get any kind of 'justice' or call anyone out on these forums.
Again, if you're legit, sorry for your stress. Prepare to be trolled and ridiculed by the masses. |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
67
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:15:00 -
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I feel really sorry for you're husband. I was ripped of by my "friend" when i started this game and he took everything i had saved up in the first 6 months of playing.
I've found a great honest trustworthy group of players now and we all share stuff we also yell at each other alot.
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Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
72
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:17:00 -
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It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it. |
Jita Alt666
596
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:18:00 -
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Part of me wants to offer real life condolences. Part of me wants to dismiss this due to where it has been posted and the underlying knowledge of the Eve community the poster is aware of. Part of me is smiling at a very clever troll. Part of me wants to put out that MMORPGs by their nature are addictive. |
Pi Muka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:19:00 -
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i don't know what troll is
had to have my nephew who also plays this video show me how to talk on here so please forgive my ignorance. I do not know who was responsible for what happened so I have nobody in specific to blame, but I felt it is within my rights to express my extreme displeasure with what occured. |
Po3tank
Basgerin Pirate
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:21:00 -
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2/10 however just so I don't seem to heartless
hope your husband gets better!
Please don't get mad at the game or the players that "hurt" your husband, if he had exercised a little self control this could of all been avoided I'm sure. Video games are serious business an all but screwing over your family not worth the ISk
edit: its a troll |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
76
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:22:00 -
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troll (not saying you are, just providing a definition).
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Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:24:00 -
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Its a ******* game, if your husband took it that seriously he probably shouldn't be playing a game that allows for, if not encourages, the more nefarious aspects of human nature. There are other games out there that wont hurt his feelings where people can't scam him. If you're so sensitive that you cant deal with these sorts of things, then don't play eve. Its that simple. |
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JeanMichel Bizarre
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:25:00 -
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While I do sympathize if this is for real, I wouldn't say what happened in game is cruel... It may not be :nice: but EVE is not supposed to be. |
Xeneta
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:25:00 -
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Can I have his stuff? Oh wait... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
427
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:26:00 -
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Trolls are people who create statemetns to inact or rouse a response of entertianment usually that of anger.
Now your husband does need to know that this is a game. There are rules in every game its just that its very unfourtunate that this game plays very much to the tune of human nature. Overall its self intrest verses everyone else and majority of the players in eve will pick themselves because there is a good chance the other person isnt going to be worth the trouble they can cause. This is when the worst of human nature in all of its aspects rear its ugly head and its mostly allowed here unlike alot of other games.
Simply put he can try to make new friends but he should expect it to happen again and have a better plan at getting back at them or having better insurance polocies.
I have seen husband and wife teams in eve fall apart over ingame things as well.
Also I wouldnt blame this game, I have seen people commit suicide over fantasy football.
Just support your husband as you are doing now, no need to play this game to support such just need to drive home the fact that this is a game and if nessecary intervene his game find him a healthier hobby for him to take up on.
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Khamelea
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:50:00 -
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While I sympathize with the situation, eve is a game, it's interactions are governed by the rules of the game. You cannot simply map real life understanding of right and wrong in to this kind of simulated environment.
If your husband had to gone to a poker game with his friends and lost, would you begrudge the other players for playing fairly and by the rules? Of course no! poker is a harsh and unforgiving game, if your not prepared to loose then you shouldn't play.
Even if these players were inclined to sympathize with your husbands situation, there was no way for them to know he was telling the truth about it, he could of been praying on their sympathies for his own benefit.
These players that you are so upset with have done nothing wrong. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:00:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Trolls are people who create statemetns to inact or rouse a response of entertianment usually that of anger.
Now your husband does need to know that this is a game. There are rules in every game its just that its very unfourtunate that this game plays very much to the tune of human nature. Overall its self intrest verses everyone else and majority of the players in eve will pick themselves because there is a good chance the other person isnt going to be worth the trouble they can cause. This is when the worst of human nature in all of its aspects rear its ugly head and its mostly allowed here unlike alot of other games.
Simply put he can try to make new friends but he should expect it to happen again and have a better plan at getting back at them or having better insurance polocies.
I have seen husband and wife teams in eve fall apart over ingame things as well.
Also I wouldnt blame this game, I have seen people commit suicide over fantasy football.
Just support your husband as you are doing now, no need to play this game to support such just need to drive home the fact that this is a game and if nessecary intervene his game find him a healthier hobby for him to take up on.
Game is called trust. First thing you have to do is forget that word. |
Diotima Saraki
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:06:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote:i don't know what troll is
had to have my nephew who also plays this video show me how to talk on here so please forgive my ignorance. I do not know who was responsible for what happened so I have nobody in specific to blame, but I felt it is within my rights to express my extreme displeasure with what occured. Of course you are entirely within your rights to express your opinion
However, there are two points I would ask you to consider:
(1) Backstabbing, betrayal, scamming, ... (and subsequent revenge) is an integral part of the game. It is promoted in the trailers, the lore, the novels and facilitated by game rules & mechanics. This freedom to be evil (and maybe the implied challenge to be good regardless) is what brought many of us to this game. MMOs tend to mirror the real world much more closely than other - traditional - games and sometimes it is easy to forget that they are in fact "just a game". We don't complain about other players trying to mislead us when playing Poker, we accept the fact that our best friends (in real-life) will break all agreements and backstab us in Risk when we are at our weakest, we understand that it's nothing personal when our opponents only offer us "unfair" trades while playing Settlers of Catan. Especially the latter two of these games are similar to EVE in the regard that they allow us to play cooperatively or hostile for large parts of the game and that they often last long enough for the other players to retaliate against any "bad" behavior. One game of EVE lasts forever and the winning conditions are unclear (but players usually have some idea what they have to do to "get ahead"). However, you cannot be eliminated from the game of EVE - even if you lose all your ships, all your assets and all your friends there's always a way to bounce back and re-enter the game.
(2) It is mostly pointless to try and accommodate someone who is prone to depression. I am saying this as a person who has suffered from bipolar episodes since my teens. For other persons it is basically impossible to know what is "safe" to say at any given time and what might trigger severe depression. Remarks and actions that may seem entirely harmless to a rationally thinking person can be devastating when you are already on the edge of depression. On the other hand I may completely overlook real insults when I am in a hypomanic state of mind. It is almost impossible for other people in real life to be sure about my mood and the impact their words & actions might have. On the internet a great amount of clues (body language etc) are missing and the general setting is much more restricted (to some degree we all are role-playing a character that is not ourselves) which makes things even harder. The only reasonable course of action under these circumstances is to act as if you were dealing with a rational person. It will backfire occasionally and might have very sad consequences but "the environment" has so little information and insight that it simply cannot be given the responsibility not to hurt the one who may be prone to depression.
edit: that all being said - your point of view is not uncommon even amongst EVE players. If you have some spare time you might find this thread to be an interesting read: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27874 I hope your husband gets well soon. |
CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:06:00 -
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Botleten wrote:Its a ******* game, if your husband took it that seriously he probably shouldn't be playing a game that allows for, if not encourages, the more nefarious aspects of human nature. There are other games out there that wont hurt his feelings where people can't scam him. If you're so sensitive that you cant deal with these sorts of things, then don't play eve. Its that simple.
FYI eve is an mmo so the people you deal with are real. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:08:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:Botleten wrote:Its a ******* game, if your husband took it that seriously he probably shouldn't be playing a game that allows for, if not encourages, the more nefarious aspects of human nature. There are other games out there that wont hurt his feelings where people can't scam him. If you're so sensitive that you cant deal with these sorts of things, then don't play eve. Its that simple. FYI eve is an mmo so the people you deal with are real.
And you playing it is real too. And time spend is "real" too.. As i wrote game is called trust.
Altho He is weak, so i am. But i dont trust anyone, include me. So its kind of pre-emptive strike against such. |
Corp 5py
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:10:00 -
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I'd get your husband OFF eve as soon as possible and not allow him to return, ever.
Remember, at the end of the day, only eve friend you can trust is the one within IRL striking distance There are other less backstab-y online pass times out there that he may find appealing. |
Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:13:00 -
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Don't blame a game or the players who play it. This is how EVE is suppose to be. Maybe he should try another game less stressful. Hope he gets better soon. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:13:00 -
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Corp 5py wrote:I'd get your husband OFF eve as soon as possible and not allow him to return, ever.
Remember, at the end of the day, only eve friend you can trust is the one within IRL striking distance There are other less backstab-y online pass times out there that he may find appealing.
Depend, backstabing is way easier in real life. You get to know someone, you think you know them. You put your guard down. Bam. You are down.
There is only one escape. Death is an solution. Either your own : easiest. Or whole mankind : impossible. |
Mmily Ylimm
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:15:00 -
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I agree with alot of people who have already posted on this thread. If your husband is unable to draw the line between a game and real life then he should not be playing, especially in his state of mind.
I wish you and your family the best and hope you all get through this |
White Tree
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
646
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:16:00 -
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Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:eve is a game that embraces and rewards sociopathic behavior so most of the players who stay after a few months are sociopaths
EVE also rewards trust, co-operation and social cohesion.
EVE does not encourage players to swing one way or other, it simply provides them a means too. This does not necessarily mean that EVE is designed in such a way as to encourage 'sociopathic' behavior.
Above all else, the social nature of EVE is Darwinian. The strong, witty and, creative survive and thrive - Whilst the naive are often pruned. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:18:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:eve is a game that embraces and rewards sociopathic behavior so most of the players who stay after a few months are sociopaths EVE also rewards trust, co-operation and social cohesion. EVE does not encourage players to swing one way or other, it simply provides them a means too. This does not necessarily mean that EVE is designed in such a way as to encourage 'sociopathic' behavior. Above all else, the social nature of EVE is Darwinian. The strong, witty and, creative survive and thrive - Whilst the naive are often pruned.
But being naive is kind of good, it makes you feel.
Being strong, witty and creative makes you an AI. You calculate and you win. No feeling attached. |
White Tree
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
646
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:23:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:White Tree wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:eve is a game that embraces and rewards sociopathic behavior so most of the players who stay after a few months are sociopaths EVE also rewards trust, co-operation and social cohesion. EVE does not encourage players to swing one way or other, it simply provides them a means too. This does not necessarily mean that EVE is designed in such a way as to encourage 'sociopathic' behavior. Above all else, the social nature of EVE is Darwinian. The strong, witty and, creative survive and thrive - Whilst the naive are often pruned. But being naive is kind of good, it makes you feel. Being strong, witty and creative makes you an AI. You calculate and you win. No feeling attached.
There's a half truth here.
Naivety certainly allows EVE to satisfy without much effort, but certainly being witty, creative and strong does not make you an 'AI' by any measure. The greater your scope of mental capabilities the more fingers you can place in more pies. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:26:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:White Tree wrote:Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:eve is a game that embraces and rewards sociopathic behavior so most of the players who stay after a few months are sociopaths EVE also rewards trust, co-operation and social cohesion. EVE does not encourage players to swing one way or other, it simply provides them a means too. This does not necessarily mean that EVE is designed in such a way as to encourage 'sociopathic' behavior. Above all else, the social nature of EVE is Darwinian. The strong, witty and, creative survive and thrive - Whilst the naive are often pruned. But being naive is kind of good, it makes you feel. Being strong, witty and creative makes you an AI. You calculate and you win. No feeling attached. There's a half truth here. Naivety certainly allows EVE to satisfy without much effort, but certainly being witty, creative and strong does not make you an 'AI' by any measure. The greater your scope of mental capabilities the more fingers you can place in more pies.
Last response.
I am not arguing. That everyone strong, witty and creative dont feel. But true AI well programmed will actually beat them every time. There is no much difference in thinking between human-being and AI, apart the fact that AI is more capable to adapt,
Either way : you enjoy the game you are fine you suffer while playing, i consider taking an break is way to go.
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Pi Muka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:56:00 -
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the user im using to talk is one of my husbands. |
Diotima Saraki
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:01:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote:the user im using to talk is one of my husbands. apostrophes matter. |
Cassuriel
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:07:00 -
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Firstly,
Sorry to hear about your husband and I hope he makes a full recvovery.
Your comments about the harsh nature of eve are correct, but you need to understand that this game is marketted by CCP to be a cold harsh universe full of combat, corruption and betrayal.
Which is exactly what it is - review some of the promotional videos made by the games producers and there are videos put out there encouraging the kind of behaviour you speak about.
What i'm trying to say is that this game makes no secrets about how 'gritty' or 'nasty' it can be, and anyone who takes things at a personal level instead of an 'its just a game' should take a step back.
I realise this won't be easy for your husband, but until he is better, I'd encourage him to stay well away from Eve.
Please don't blame the community, I understand this sounds bad, but the people stealing and scamming are playing the game as it was conceptualised, intended and promoted by its creators. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
98
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:29:00 -
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I hope he bounce back. Beleve it or not... There is nice ppl in this game allso |
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Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
41
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:43:00 -
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8/10
nearly believed it for a second.
Then I thought:
1. this is the internet. 2. this is the EvE forums. 3. If this fictional husband loved EvE then he would expect to come back to an empty hangar. 4. this is EvE.
great story though. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
205
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:06:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
43
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:15:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote: .... I am not assigning blame to anyone.
I wish I knew who these people were, my husband refuses to tell me anything because he knows I would come on here and call them out. But If you are one of those people, know that you are cold and have a mean spirit!
You are attributing blame in your post, and you are probably not genuine.
I would suggest you stop your unstable, addiction prone husband from playing the game...at least for a time until he's more emotionally stable. It is a very addictive game and probably not healthy for him.
Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated The Forsaken.
145
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:16:00 -
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Good effort but paragraph 6 gives away the troll. Specifically placing the word 'company' in quotes to imply a lack of knowledge of EVEs corporations. You would have been better off using the word 'group' as this would be typical of the diction used by someone utterly unfamiliar with the game. You also refer to "there(sic) space" and "ransoming" both concepts familiar to players but that would be foreign to a non player.
The overall structure isnt bad - personalising the protagonist as having problems which they struggle to over come (creating empathy with the reader) followed by a betrayal (creating an emotional response) but theres rather too much " he did this, he did that" which is common in basic stories. A trully aggrieved writer wouldnt include such trivial details.
The more likely approach by a genuine author would be to address the games creators (a faceless corporate group) for allowing said heartless players to exert psychological trauma rather than the 'friends line' as this rather gives away the troll in its efforts to create feelings of guilt in some and to encourage others to post harsh and unsympathetic comments (thus perpetuating the trolling) as players are outraged at the lack of sympathy shown.
C. |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:17:00 -
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It does sound that your husband was not the most mentally stable person. Here are some viewpoints to consider:
a.) he could have avoided the issue by making it sure ingame that the stuff could not be stolen from him. It also sounded like he had made some questionable security-related decisions that allowed this to happen.
b.) his 'friends' may have confiscated the stuff in the name of continuity, Eve corporations often break down when their leaders go missing. Maybe they confiscated the stuff so that the corp could keep going, maybe they didnt expect him to come back.
c.) Eve has always been viewed as a 'harsh' game. Maybe it was not the best idea to let him back to such a game when he was still recovering. Its like giving a bottle to an alcoholic thats got out of the rehab and expect him to hold it together.
What happened cannot in any case be seen as fault of the players or the game. In eve, trust is a weakness.
ps. IF this was a troll, a for effort. |
Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:21:00 -
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I have been lucky to be a part of a group of friends who play more than just Eve. We play other online games and generally socialize outside of gaming situations. I trust them with my assets because I have lent and even given them away to my friends and always received them back whether I wanted them or not. It also helps that I don't bother much anymore in spaces where my own game assets are accessible to all the players in my corp. Travel with light backpack and a heavy wallet is the way to go.
I'm sorry your husband thought his "friends" were men of good character. They weren't. |
Long John Silver
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:36:00 -
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Whether or not this is a troll, I believe this can happen. EVE does 'suck' people in, you can become obsessed with it especially if you are using it to escape from real-life issues.
BUT you should never EVER lose sight of the fact that EVE is not a 'nice' place. It's full of scallywags, scumbags and scammers. If you can be screwed over, you will - and there's no sympathy on offer when you are.
Maybe EVE should carry a health warning...
But if the OP's husband has been in-game since 2004, he should know how things are by now. Long John Silver | Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
249
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:45:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite.
Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Vera Godspiel
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:49:00 -
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Hey Pi Muka,
Good luck with the situation. Sorry to hear he ended up with this kind of people. Whatever the rest of the situation is and whether he did or did not make mistakes; it still sucks for him and probably even more so for you and the rest of his family.
Hang in there.
Oh. for all you people thinking this is a troll or stating the obvious about game mechanics... just think to yourself... what if it's not a troll.... And what if you would be in a similar situation.
If it's a troll... nothing lost and nobody gives a flying F....
On the other hand, if it's not; you just aggrevated it and pissed on someones real emotions that has not asked for this game, doesn't play it and is in real distress.
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
350
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:44:00 -
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G'day Pi Muka,
I imagine a lot has changed in EVE since then and now. I can see how much it has gone down hill in the last 2 years alone.
That said, it sounds like your husband has a lot of experience with this game, so with a little dedication i am sure he could bounce back very well indeed :)
About 8 months after i started playing i decided to move all my isk and assetts to another character and start afresh. Having absolutely nothing to call on, 1 week later i was pretty darn well off.
EVE Online is a game, but it also makes for a good hobby, if he wishes to keep playing, then great! It is not a very nice feeling at all to give up a hobby, what he is going through would be similar to what a RC aircraft enthusiast feels after crashing a prized plane i think.
Of course there are friendly, good people around, if your husband wants to indulge in revenge, get him to contact me :) The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
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The Snowman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:48:00 -
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When a man is this passionate about something, he cant help but talk about it. So its impossible to believe he's never told you about these people he calls friends, or at least talked about them.
unless even his own wife cares so little about his social life, his hobby's and his passions that he doesn't even feel like he can talk to her, then the cruelty doesn't come from his friends, it comes from his estranged wife. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
81
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:50:00 -
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This thread is amazing. I can't stop laughing. |
SpaceSquirrels
14
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Posted - 2011.11.30 15:35:00 -
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Dont seek the internet for compassion, empathy or the like. People with more ire than you will seek it out and in fact be more cruel.
That's pretty ****** up when you think about it, but true. I would say seek real life things to legitimately improve ones life. Cause the internet dont give no hugs. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
110
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:21:00 -
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Vachir Khan wrote:It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels.
'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever.
Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept.
I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
81
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:31:00 -
[45] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels. 'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever. Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept. I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse.
It's a game is the perfect excuse. This game revolves around backstabbing, betrayal and destruction.
Crying on the forums that you were betrayed is like a boxer complaining that they got punched. It comes with the game. |
Selinate
129
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:39:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
It's a game is the perfect excuse. This game revolves around backstabbing, betrayal and destruction.
Crying on the forums that you were betrayed is like a boxer complaining that they got punched. It comes with the game.
Yeah, I totally agree. Just read this story. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/gay-buffalo-teen-commits-suicide-eve-national-bullying/story?id=14571861[/url]. *** totally deserved it, I mean, it is the internet. The internet relies on trolling and flaming, therefor, the bullies can't be held responsible at all.
Same thing with this game. It totally relies on flaming, trolling, and backstabbing, therefor you should do it as much as you can, there's no problem there. Even if you know the person is having a rough time, call him a noob and tell him he should quit the game because he sucks so bad.
The above is the biggest copout you Eve/forum nerds can come up with to be dicks. Man up and think about what you're doing sometimes... |
Feilamya
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:53:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote:He told me he was betrayed by people he considered good friends. Apparently while my husband was in rehab fighting to save his life and his family the people who he believed were his friends kicked him out of the 'company' he was a member of and took everything he owned in game. He said they betrayed him and tried to ransom him for the few remaining things he had stuck in there space. WRONG: He was betrayed. RIGHT: He lost in a game.
WRONG: He was "betrayed" by his friends RIGHT: Those people were other characters in the game, played by real people he has never met and doesn't know personally.
WRONG: He was "betrayed". RIGHT: His character was robbed by other characters.
...
Always remember: - Your ingame character is not you. - The ingame characters played by other players are not them. - Your character's stuff is not yours. - Your character's friends are not your friends. - Nothing that happens inside the game world is real. - For the sake of sanity, consider all metagaming as part of the game, or avoid metagaming altogether.
You don't agree? Then don't play games. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
81
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:08:00 -
[48] - Quote
I'm not even going to point out all the logical fallacies here, because holy ****.
If someone has an issue with playing video games, they need to deal with it, it's not my problem. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
110
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:06:00 -
[49] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.
So, I can walk up and punch someone in the face during a football match? After all, it's just a football game, right? There're no consequinces in a game, are there?
What's that? You've been charged with assault?
Hey, just tell the judge it was only a game. He'll probably let you off with a warning, huh? |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
113
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:16:00 -
[50] - Quote
What some people don't get is, that in a game like EVE were practically everything is allowed, you are still not forced to be an *******.
If you decide to steal and scam then it is not the game that made you do it, the decision was yours and yes, you are an *******, even if you pretend otherwise in the real world. |
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Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:23:00 -
[51] - Quote
XIRUSPHERE wrote: If someone is suffering an addiction an MMO is really not the place to spend their time either as they are in their nature inherently an addictive activity.
Depends on the person. Discovering MMOs actually probably saved my life. I fought with drug addiction for about 10 years until I discovered MMOs. Between MMOs and my wife, I've been clean for around 9 years now.
Btw, EVE is not the game he should be playing if he's at a rather vulnerable point in his life. I'm not trolling or whatever, but he'd be better off playing WoW or EQ2 or Vanguard or Conan or Star Trek Online or something more tame right now. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
39
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
I can see why someone having problems with prescription painkillers could end up in trouble if events in game pissed them off, I am guessing it wasn't a deliberate overdose. OP mentions he was in rehab, the dudes tolerance was probably lower and after getting mad it sounds like he took his "normal" dose and went over.
I have some sympathy if it isn't a troll but on the other hand its not the fault of the players that scammed him either. |
Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
Feilamya wrote:
Always remember: - Your ingame character is not you. - The ingame characters played by other players are not them. - Your character's stuff is not yours. - Your character's friends are not your friends. - Nothing that happens inside the game world is real. - For the sake of sanity, consider all metagaming as part of the game, or avoid metagaming altogether.
You don't agree? Then don't play games.
Um no. I've actually made some pretty good friends over the last 7 or 8 years gaming that I would not have met if it hadn't been for gaming.
What I will agree about is no one you meet in EVE should be trusted with anything that would affect you personally because you're all a bunch of fucks.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
240
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:50:00 -
[54] - Quote
If this is a real post and not a troll, then it's proof that "griefing" as it's called is in fact a metagame experience and not having anything to do with the actual game. Most griefers will never admit to who and what they are, and will always blame everything from the environment ("This is EvE", "This is a sandbox") to blaming the victim. These are the marks of true sociopaths and the world is full of them with more being made every day by not being able to handle crossing paths with existing sociopaths.
Hence the mystery to me, where I wonder if the griefers are people taking RL tendencies to a game, or if they are the victims of other RL greifers (Show us on the files where the tax collector touched your income. Show us on your pay stub where your ex wife garnered most of your income, Show us on your criminal record where the cop beat you up for no reason and charged you with assault, etc) who, having no power in RL to get back at their tormenters, come to the game to get some kind of satisfaction of doing unto others.
The world, going to hell in a handbasket and filling up with people who desperately need to burn, is giving birth to a new sick rule of "do unto others before they do it to you". May the heavens fall.
Otherwise, if this is a troll post, I must say it's a very creative yet predictable one.
Edit regarding painkillers - these drugs should be avoided AT ALL COSTS. If you get shot and need morphine in the field, that's all well and good, but any prescription painkiller should be avoided. I have seen people get unnecessary surgery where their knee, back, elbow, or whatever, actually FEELS like it hurts because their body is so hooked on the stuff it creates pain that needs painkillers. For immediate traumatic injury yes, let them use morphine or knock you out, but don't let your doctor prescribe that stuff, ever, and stay away from it. |
Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:40:00 -
[55] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Edit regarding painkillers - these drugs should be avoided AT ALL COSTS. If you get shot and need morphine in the field, that's all well and good, but any prescription painkiller should be avoided. I have seen people get unnecessary surgery where their knee, back, elbow, or whatever, actually FEELS like it hurts because their body is so hooked on the stuff it creates pain that needs painkillers. For immediate traumatic injury yes, let them use morphine or knock you out, but don't let your doctor prescribe that stuff, ever, and stay away from it.
I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :) |
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
147
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Posted - 2011.11.30 22:54:00 -
[56] - Quote
I like the way how people negatively react about 'friends' in an online game. When you talk to each-other during chat or hear each-other with a mic or even see each-other with a webcam it becomes pretty damn real.
Some people that I met in a online game are now great friends of my and yes we see each-other in real life altho the distance can be problem sometimes.
~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~ |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
26
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Posted - 2011.11.30 23:05:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: I am not arguing. That everyone strong, witty and creative dont feel. But true AI well programmed will actually beat them every time. There is no much difference in thinking between human-being and AI, apart the fact that AI is more capable to adapt.
AI has nothing on human intellect. Maybe in 100 years, but nothing close to human intelligence exists right now. In certain circumstances, an AI can remember a longer list of previous moves and base its decision on the most likely outcome, but no AI is currently capable of supplanting human intelligence and the nuances of understanding and comprehension we possess. Not to mention that computers are terrible at adapting. In fact, we usually have to do this for them. Humans on the other hand have existed for a couple of million years, so we must be doing something right.
The strong, witty and creative feel plenty and probably derive more enjoyment from executing well though-out plans and schemes than the mindless drones shooting red crosses afk. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
111
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Posted - 2011.12.01 00:21:00 -
[58] - Quote
Barakkus wrote: I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :)
I can certainly understand your position, but I do have to raise the general objection that if your body hurts, it's because something is wrong and it needs to be fixed. It remains your decision to take medication or not (and I'm not attempting to dispute that right), but don't let personal pride get in the way of sound judgement. |
Pi Muka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 04:02:00 -
[59] - Quote
hello everyone
I wanted to thank everyone who spoke in support of why I am so upset by this.
My husband is OK, he has returned to treatment and will likely be in there through christmas. His relapse is his own doing regardless of his reasons for it he acknowledges this.
I also have managed to find out the name of the group which my husband was apart of and who stole everything from him but I am torn between what I want to do and what I know he wants and doesn't want.
I know that he would be displeased for me to say anything but I want nothing more than to expose the people who could be so cold as to do this.
Remember real people exist behind the computer. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
111
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Posted - 2011.12.01 04:17:00 -
[60] - Quote
Pi Muka wrote: I know that he would be displeased for me to say anything but I want nothing more than to expose the people who could be so cold as to do this.
Right now, you're (quite justifiably) upset. I don't blame you, honestly.
In my opinion, you've exposed them already with your initial post; if they were that callous to begin with, chances are confronting them directly would only make you a target as well.
Glad to hear your husband's doing well, by the way. Hope his recovery is speedy and without further incident. |
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Selinate
131
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Posted - 2011.12.01 06:10:00 -
[61] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote:I'm not even going to point out all the logical fallacies here, because holy ****. If someone has an issue with playing video games, they need to deal with it, it's not my problem. I don't care if a person says they're rich IRL or dying of cancer. If I steal their carrier, I'm not giving it back. Stealth Edit: Selinate wrote:The above is the biggest copout you Eve/forum nerds can come up with to be dicks. Man up and think about what you're doing sometimes... No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.
no logical fallacies in my post. Just the same lame stupid argument you're using. Again. Man up. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2011.12.01 06:34:00 -
[62] - Quote
TROLLED HARD |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
26
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:51:00 -
[63] - Quote
Pi Muka wrote:His relapse is his own doing regardless of his reasons for it he acknowledges this.
you hit the nail on the head here. using a game to justify a relapse is pretty weaksauce. real life will undoubtedly provide many more reasons for him to repeat this should he so desire. it really comes down to him and whether or not he wants to make a change in his life. the drugs will always be there, as well as the reasons for using them. he has to make his own choice and live with those consequences. if anything, consider it an opportunity for him to practice restraint. if he can play eve with the "bad people" and refrain from using, maybe he can go out into the real world and manage to do the same. real life is where it really matters in the end. in-game friends come and go, all his stuff can be replaced with money and/or time. his RL family, friends and relationships are a different matter and are not so easily replaced. sounds like someone needs to get their priorities sorted... |
Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:57:00 -
[64] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Barakkus wrote: I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :)
I can certainly understand your position, but I do have to raise the general objection that if your body hurts, it's because something is wrong and it needs to be fixed. It remains your decision to take medication or not (and I'm not attempting to dispute that right), but don't let personal pride get in the way of sound judgement.
Pain medication doesn't fix anything, it only masks the pain. I currently have tendonitis (or carpal tunnel, I'm leaning towards carpal tunnel, but my doctor said probably tenodonitis) in my right writs/arm, instead of masking the pain and continue using my arm in a manner that is furthering the irritation, I adjust my usage based on the pain I feel instead of masking it and making it worse. Granted it would reduce the inflamation a bit, but wearing a brace and adjusting my usage is more beneficial to avoid the pain later, plus most pain meds do some nasty **** to you internally with prolonged usage. |
SpaceSquirrels
16
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:29:00 -
[65] - Quote
Actually physiologically people heal slower when in pain. The cells release various hormones/chemicals when damaged. This can impair proteins or other receptors (and specific white cells) from performing certain functions. Doesn't impede mind you, but slows down.
A body under stress after all.
Granted over doing it also comes along with physiological impairments as well (side effects). But being in constant pain which causes stress, and sleep loss uh.. no so bueno.
For the most part pain meds should be a short term solution (a couple of weeks) rather than the crutch that some people say they need. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1299
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:33:00 -
[66] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels. 'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever. Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept. I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse.
I have a neurolinguistic disorder that causes me to have a violent, painful epilileptic fit whenever anyone tries to be an internet psychiatrist.
I trust you will never be so heartless as to cause me such agony again. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
114
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:36:00 -
[67] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: I have a neurolinguistic disorder that causes me to have a violent, painful epilileptic fit whenever anyone tries to be an internet psychiatrist.
I trust you will never be so heartless as to cause me such agony again.
NI !!!! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1299
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:
No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.
So, I can walk up and punch someone in the face during a football match? After all, it's just a football game, right? There're no consequinces in a game, are there? What's that? You've been charged with assault? Hey, just tell the judge it was only a game. He'll probably let you off with a warning, huh?
Punching someone in a game of football isn't legitimate gameplay. Tackling him high and low and taking the ball from him definitely is (in American football), and that's what happened to the hypothetical husband.
Good luck getting a judge to convict someone of robbery and assault for tackling you in a game of football, no matter how much your emotional well-being depended on your winning it.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
114
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: Punching someone in a game of football isn't legitimate gameplay. Tackling him high and low and taking the ball from him definitely is (in American football), and that's what happened to the hypothetical husband.
Good luck getting a judge to convict someone of robbery and assault for tackling you in a game of football, no matter how much your emotional well-being depended on your winning it.
If I were to tackle someone with excessive and unneccessary force, and the other player was injured, 'it was just a game' will not impress the judge. What happened to the OP's husband was entirely unncessesary, even in the context of a game -- it was an unprovoked, personal attack on someone that they knew had a serious psychological issue.
With full awareness of the potentially damaging effects of their actions, they went ahead with it anyway.
That's not gameplay, that's just sick. |
Vicker Lahn'se
Eternity Inc
21
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:11:00 -
[70] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Malcanis wrote: Punching someone in a game of football isn't legitimate gameplay. Tackling him high and low and taking the ball from him definitely is (in American football), and that's what happened to the hypothetical husband.
Good luck getting a judge to convict someone of robbery and assault for tackling you in a game of football, no matter how much your emotional well-being depended on your winning it.
If I were to tackle someone with excessive and unneccessary force, and the other player was injured, 'it was just a game' will not impress the judge. What happened to the OP's husband was entirely unncessesary, even in the context of a game -- it was an unprovoked, personal attack on someone that they knew had a serious psychological issue. With full awareness of the potentially damaging effects of their actions, they went ahead with it anyway. That's not gameplay, that's just sick.
The adjective you should be considering is "permitted", not "necessary". It is not permitted in football to use enough force to injure another player. It is permitted in Eve to take a person's unprotected stuff.
Your husband could just as easily have had a fit about getting stabbed in the back by a Nightelf rogue while minding his business questing in WoW. He could have had a fit about the cashier at the corner store being rude to him. The Nightelf and the cashier are just doing as they're expected to do.
If your husband overdosed, it's his own fault. If you give him excuses like allowing him to blame a video game, then you are doing more harm to him than any of those people in the game. Anybody can find excuses anywhere.
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
114
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:32:00 -
[71] - Quote
Vicker Lahn'se wrote: The adjective you should be considering is "permitted", not "necessary". It is not permitted in football to use enough force to injure another player. It is permitted in Eve to take a person's unprotected stuff.
No, I said 'neccessary' and I meant 'necessary'. it was absolutely not necessary to treat someone as badly as the OP's husband was treated -- a simple 'Hey, iour ratings got a bit skewed so we'd like your help to repair them' would have sufficed.
Instead, they engaged in an intentional, organized, collective 'snubbing', despite the fact that they were fully aware of his addiction issues, and (one presumes) the attendant emotional problems.
That is not necessary.
There is nothing --absolutely nothing -- in EVE's game mechanics that makes it 'necessary' to behave in such a reprehensible manner. It's just sickening to see someone treated like that. |
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
Almost lost this thread, thought it got deleted for a second.
Seems it has been moved to out of pod experience. Not sure If I agree with that as it pertains to both real life and in game.
I am behind an alt, and have no intentions of revealing who I really am. Lets just say I am or was a friend of the person being talked about in this thread and I am fully aware of what has happened.
The name of the corporation that did this is Skyforger of the Tactical Narcotics Team, the decision to do this was made by the CEO Eperor with the blessing of Wilba who is the leader of the alliance.
The value of all assets taken in total was between 15-25b isk when considering nearly ready to complete super carrier was among them.
The person being spoken about in this thread had left nearly all of his in game assets inside hangers at his personl pos when he took his leave of absence. Among those assets were a large array of ships conventional and capital a great deal of resources and etc.
Do with this information what you wil..
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Susano Kurai
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:43:00 -
[73] - Quote
This is a troll. Ignore this thread. I find it hard to believe that after making the initial post the original poster, having read posts from what I can understand would be confusing comments for someone unfamiliar with this game, chose to ask nothing other than what is a troll? A person who was really distressed about this would probably not have even paid attention, nor asked about what a troll was. Another key factor is that the person's husband who was so affected by this game would choose to interact with the community that caused the problem, or even continue payment of an account to make this post, makes this thread highly unlikely to be true.
If it is true... it's a video game. People who take video games so seriously that they would overdose due to it, for ANY reason, need psychiatric help. Not help from the community that caused the problem. |
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
You can call this thread a troll all you want, but I was there. I know what happened.
As for your argument regarding the cancellation of an account, you are aware that accounts remain active until thier time paid has completed. For example, if a credit card is billed on the first of the month and the user cancels on the 2nd, the account is still playable, usable and able to use the forums until the first of the following month.
If you want to defend the actions of these people you can.
I was there, the person whom this thread is about made it VERY clear to the entire corporation his situation, how long he would be gone for. He made sure his pos had enough fuel to last well past his return date and he returned on the day he promised and the corporation took EVERYTHING from him and booted him out of the corp for a bullshit excuse which served on purpose other than to provide a reason to line the prockets of a few at the expense of a player who was very helpful to everyone in the corp who ever needed it.
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
115
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:37:00 -
[75] - Quote
Susano Kurai wrote:This is a troll. Ignore this thread. I find it hard to believe that after making the initial post the original poster, having read posts from what I can understand would be confusing comments for someone unfamiliar with this game, chose to ask nothing other than what is a troll? A person who was really distressed about this would probably not have even paid attention, nor asked about what a troll was. Another key factor is that the wife who had her husband so affected by this game would choose to interact with the community that caused the problem, or even continue payment of an account to make this post, makes this thread highly unlikely to be true.
If it is true... it's a video game. People who take video games so seriously that they would overdose due to it, for ANY reason, need psychiatric help. Not help from the community that caused the problem.
This is not about 'taking the game too seriously'. This is about a group of people that willfully and intentionally carried out an action when they knew in advance that the person being targeted was suffering from serious health issues. Moreover, they knew -- in advance -- that said issues were having an adverse effect on his family life and personal stability.
I call that kind of behavior sick and sadistic. |
Landrae
Blood Angel Asylum
178
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Posted - 2011.12.02 01:50:00 -
[76] - Quote
If you take eve so seriously that you are going to kill yourself over getting kicked by a corp you need to check yourself in you have some wayyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper issues.
Edit: I have played many MMO's over the years, been scammed a few times even had my account s hacked once or twice and been cleaned out having to completely start over. Granted I didn't have drug addiction prior (if what you say is true) The moral here is if stuff in A GAME gets to you that much it may be time to check yourself into a clinic because your problems run way deeper than being betrayed in a game. Apple was going to make a smaller version of the iPod touch for kids, until they realized that " iTouch Kids " wouldn't be an appropriate name. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
193
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
I still pretty much don't care. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
117
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
Landrae wrote:If you take eve so seriously that you are going to kill yourself over getting kicked by a corp you need to check yourself in you have some wayyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper issues.
Edit: I have played many MMO's over the years, been scammed a few times even had my account s hacked once or twice and been cleaned out having to completely start over. Granted I didn't have drug addiction prior (if what you say is true) The moral here is if stuff in A GAME gets to you that much it may be time to check yourself into a clinic because your problems run way deeper than being betrayed in a game.
What you, and others like you, don't seem to comprehend is that it's not the game that caused the issue.
The person involved was eager to return to his friends, and anticipated a 'welcome back, glad you're feeling better' from the people he had come to trust. What he recieved instead was basically the people he'd come to consider 'friends' yelling 'f*** you' and tearing him to pieces.
Rehab is not easy. It's stressful, and emotional, and painful. The very last thing someone needs after that kind of rough ride is to find out that the people that they thought were their friends are going to be complete a**holes to them when they get back. |
Landrae
Blood Angel Asylum
178
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Posted - 2011.12.02 09:52:00 -
[79] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:Landrae wrote:If you take eve so seriously that you are going to kill yourself over getting kicked by a corp you need to check yourself in you have some wayyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper issues.
Edit: I have played many MMO's over the years, been scammed a few times even had my account s hacked once or twice and been cleaned out having to completely start over. Granted I didn't have drug addiction prior (if what you say is true) The moral here is if stuff in A GAME gets to you that much it may be time to check yourself into a clinic because your problems run way deeper than being betrayed in a game. What you, and others like you, don't seem to comprehend is that it's not the game that caused the issue. The person involved was eager to return to his friends, and anticipated a 'welcome back, glad you're feeling better' from the people he had come to trust. What he recieved instead was basically the people he'd come to consider 'friends' yelling 'f*** you' and tearing him to pieces. Rehab is not easy. It's stressful, and emotional, and painful. The very last thing someone needs after that kind of rough ride is to find out that the people that they thought were their friends are going to be complete a**holes to them when they get back.
No one says its not easy but if you expect the internet to be some magical land of rainbows and gum drops you are in for a rude awakening. Apple was going to make a smaller version of the iPod touch for kids, until they realized that " iTouch Kids " wouldn't be an appropriate name. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:50:00 -
[80] - Quote
Hi T The world is a mean harsh place. R My husband is a weak, pathetic failure of a man. More than that, he's one of the o-so many failures of life and evolution. If I bred with him I'd have been doing the world a disservice. O I'm probably more of a mother than a wife to him, and that is my personal failure as a human. Both in marrying him and in accepting the mother role that, no matter how hard I try at, will never fix my broken depressed burden-on-society of a husband. L The fact my husband obviously needs to be institutionalized, my solution to this problem is going on the internet and talking about this. I mean, those people were really mean. How dare reality be so REAL?!? L Internet pixels and anonymous people were the only possessions and friends he had. The entire emotion and trust structure of his personality hinged on Eve Online. The only thing keeping him from spiraling downward into oblivion was this crap spreadsheets in space video game infamous for dishonest and cutthroat people. E (well when I say downward I really mean further downward. let's face it, my husband is a loser at everything he's ever done. he spilled his cereal at breakfast this morning. after holding him until he cried himself to sleep he woke up and started his smack addiction again as it was the only way to cope with the spilt milk and cereal.) D But I digress. Why are you people so mean to him? You all did this. I just want answers. I'm concerned and I want to open a dialog with the internets. I'm completely honest and truthful and sincere in this task. H The fact that no person or couple could ever possibly be this ********, this helpless and clueless, this pathetic and degenerate should not in any way lead you to the conclusion that you are all getting TROLLED HARD. A Please internet white knights and other people, intervene and feel like a real exchange of ideas and concerns are taking place here on the eve online forums. This is important. R You are all free to have any opinions you want on this of course, because this thread needs another hit, did I say that outloud? I meant this thread needs the healing dialog that will help my husband understand his loss and will provide him the strength he needs to get back on his feet and off his addictions. D
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
118
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:04:00 -
[81] - Quote
it is not about a person taking a game to seriously but others people who use the: it is a game-excuse to be total dicks.
Again, while a lot of things are allowed in this game, EVE does not require you to be one.
I have also found a lot of friends in EVE, I even met some of them in real life. People I can trust with my assets and in return they can depend on me.
Many people here are not playing an dickhead on the internet, they are a **** and just use EVE as a platform and it's a game as an excuse for what they really are. |
Kalle Demos
Helix Protocol
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:47:00 -
[82] - Quote
1. Account sharing is against the EULA (had to say that) 2. Addiction comes in many forms, doesnt matter what the person is addicted to, getting addicted to one thing or another will be very easy, this is really the issue 3. Cruelty? This is no different than him being a junky then going clean and wondering why his 'friend' junkies are pissed at him
I doubt this is legit anyway but it got me to post so thats good I guess, nice that you know what ransoming is but dont know the difference between company and corporation.
Also if you go to rehab to cure an addiction, the last thing you would do when you leave rehab is restart the addiction, thats like when a fat person rewards themselve with cake after a workout, it makes as much sense as giving ******* to a junky as a reward for not doing ******* for a week.
I would say this is 100% a troll but tbh it sounds like a typical scenario that is all so common in life, if it is legit, you my dear are partially responsible for his demise.
Also who pushes their partner and forces them to tell stuff, controlling much? If you had a better understanding he would share his thoughts with you anyway |
Blood Fart
Silent Coven
24
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Posted - 2011.12.02 20:05:00 -
[83] - Quote
So....the hubby hid in the basement getting wacked on pills and playing eve until it became a problem. Then upon returning home from rehab he almost immediately goes out, boots up and ODs and it's someone else's fault?
If you're for real I feel sorry for ya....but video games aren't the problem. What's next? Sorry, I got high because my playstation memory card won't work? Sorry hun, but could you bail me out I got arrested because the Donkey Kong machine at the corner store got unplugged and lost my high score?
Dope is the problem and it's his fault. |
Mudkest
Adventurers Matari Visionary Coalition
1
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Posted - 2011.12.03 00:48:00 -
[84] - Quote
I'm sorry, but if anyone OD's over an internet game he has more serious issues then said internet game.
Either there are other issues that and some game merely gave the last push over the edge(and if the game did not, then something else would have not much later) adn you should look at/blame/deal with whatever got him to that point in the first place
or, if it is the games fault entirly, then the person is rather unstable to begin with and if it wasnt for the game, then something else would have pushed him over the edge sooner or later. Then again, pretty much same as the other point.
I'm sorry for your hardships, but dont put the blame on some internet game. |
CptConorado
Prophets of Freedom
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:39:00 -
[85] - Quote
Reported for user sharing, just because your husband is cray cray doesn't mean he can break the rules. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
159
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:53:00 -
[86] - Quote
Feilamya wrote: Always remember: - Your ingame character is not you. - The ingame characters played by other players are not them. - Nothing that happens inside the game world is real.
I"m sorry, but you are so completely and totally obviously wrong.
Your ingame character is not you? So does someone take over your body when you sit in front of your computer and force your hands to move against your will while you play this game? Of course not. YOU control what your character does, therefore YOU bear the responsibility for your actions in this game. Your ingame character is nothing more than a bunch of pixels. It isn't even an artificial intelligence.
And likewise, the ingame character played by other players ARE them. THEY control the actions of their characters. when your ingame character meets someone else's ingame character, an exchange is made. MMOs *ARE* a form of human interaction. Real life friendships are torn apart because of this game. At the same time, real life friendships are forged because of this game. Marriages end in divorce because of this game. Yet also people find their soulmates in this game.
EVERYTHING that happens in this game world is real. EVE Online IS real. Hundreds of employees at CCP work day and night in order to make it real.
Now, I'm not saying that in-game actions are equivalent to their real-life analogues - because they aren't. EVE Online thrives upon scum and villainy. But people need to realize that just because EVE is a game doesn't mean that their actions don't have consequences. Your actions ALWAYS have consequences.
To the OP, I'm sorry that your husband had to go through what he did. However, it would probably be in his best interests if he does not play this game. EVE Online isn't for everyone, especially for people who cope with problems in game by taking drugs in real life. That being said, I am glad that you care enough about your husband to say something, even in possible face of ridicule. Please be as supportive of your husband as possible - it is obvious to me that he needs your love and strength now more than ever. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
9
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:55:00 -
[87] - Quote
Tora Oni wrote:Don't blame a game or the players who play it. This is how EVE is suppose to be. Maybe he should try another game less stressful. Hope he gets better soon.
EVE isn't "supposed" to be about backstabbing. It's supposed to be about giving you that choice.
Subtle difference, and one many people don't seem to understand. They keep forgetting that it's possible (and rewarding) to play the "good guy". |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
259
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:31:00 -
[88] - Quote
I am sure there are a lot of people who want to be in command of those "others" who respond easily to being told "how things are supposed to be" when given certain kinds of orders.
It can be said then that MMOs prove that nothing has changed since the fall of Berlin in 1945 and the fall of Communism in 1989.
People will just as easily line you up and shoot you and your family now as then, when given the orders to do so, and hide behind, along with a uniform and trappings of a state apparatus to shield them both from physical reprisal and their own conscience.
The disagreement with the "this is EvE" crowd shows at least that there are some people who, no matter how fancy the uniform you give them and how tall the orders, will not carry out injustice against others. Even when they can, they don't, and for that latter type of person I am proud to say that I have trained at least 1000 of them in the use of small arms.
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Percy Dovetonsils
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:34:00 -
[89] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I am sure there are a lot of people who want to be in command of those "others" who respond easily to being told "how things are supposed to be" when given certain kinds of orders. It can be said then that MMOs prove that nothing has changed since the fall of Berlin in 1945 and the fall of Communism in 1989. People will just as easily line you up and shoot you and your family now as then, when given the orders to do so, and hide behind, along with a uniform and trappings of a state apparatus to shield them both from physical reprisal and their own conscience. The disagreement with the "this is EvE" crowd shows at least that there are some people who, no matter how fancy the uniform you give them and how tall the orders, will not carry out injustice against others. Even when they can, they don't, and for that latter type of person I am proud to say that I have trained at least 1000 of them in the use of small arms.
I'm requesting a Godwin's Law ruling on this one. It is an oblique reference, but I think a reference none the less, which would thus award thread victory to those who kicked this guy from their corp. (You can't even say ****** in this forum!)
In the mean time, yay for gullibility and taking this guy's story (and even the idea that "somebody else" is posting it) completely at face value! I read it on the internet, so it must be true!
PD |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
2457
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:55:00 -
[90] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I am sure there are a lot of people who want to be in command of those "others" who respond easily to being told "how things are supposed to be" when given certain kinds of orders. It can be said then that MMOs prove that nothing has changed since the fall of Berlin in 1945 and the fall of Communism in 1989. People will just as easily line you up and shoot you and your family now as then, when given the orders to do so, and hide behind, along with a uniform and trappings of a state apparatus to shield them both from physical reprisal and their own conscience. The disagreement with the "this is EvE" crowd shows at least that there are some people who, no matter how fancy the uniform you give them and how tall the orders, will not carry out injustice against others. Even when they can, they don't, and for that latter type of person I am proud to say that I have trained at least 1000 of them in the use of small arms. Your list of achievements is vast and growing, you're so awesome.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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Ayuren Aakiwa
K1llUminat1
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 18:00:00 -
[91] - Quote
If eve drove him to od and everything else it's probably better for him that his **** got stolen and he quit. He clearly can't handle the game |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.12.04 05:56:00 -
[92] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The disagreement with the "this is EvE" crowd shows at least that there are some people who, no matter how fancy the uniform you give them and how tall the orders, will not carry out injustice against others. Even when they can, they don't, and for that latter type of person I am proud to say that I have trained at least 1000 of them in the use of small arms.
Difference being that it is entertainment. People LIKE being evil sometimes. We like shooter games and movies with explosions. We LIKE having a game where things are cut throat and we're going to play that way. Just like anyone who doesn't like blood shouldn't play a bloody game, or people who don't like nudity shouldn't watch ****... if you can't handle a cut throat game then GTFO my EVE.
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Pinaculus
The High and Mighty
65
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:12:00 -
[93] - Quote
Amazing troll thread...
The virtual stuff in my hangar in EVE doesn't belong to me. It belongs to CCP. I'm renting it from them for a mere $15 a month (a trifle, really). If I blow it up, give it away, or hoard it...it's still $15.
The people in my corp are also paying $15 a month to rent pixels.
How can they steal from me? I'm paying $15 a month no matter what, and everything I have access to is borrowed from CCP.
The answer is "They can't." They can usurp the use of a certain array of pixels, but nothing more. They can spoil the quality of my $15 block of time, but that is all.
Every ship in every hangar is already fantasy space-dust. We're flying rental cars destined for the crusher. Why in the world would we get emotionally attached to these things?
And if a bunch of buddies "steal" from me? So what?! Gripe for a while, then chuckle about being such a sucker and move on. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:05:00 -
[94] - Quote
Just to note a response to all the folks who are commenting that the victim this thread is speaking about should quit eve because he can't handle it.
This person was playing eve WAY before he developed a substance abuse problem, which I might add occured out of legitimate perscription to the drug.
This person has had an 8 year long eve online career that was quite succesful and included up to 12 active accounts at a time, 4 of which he considered mains and had logged in daily. He wasn't even introduced to the substance until about 2 years ago if I remember correctly.
The argument that he shouldn't be playing eve because he cannot handle it is incredibly incorrect and I hope this helps to clarify any misunderstanding regarding the topic.
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Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:09:00 -
[95] - Quote
Oh and furthermore,
We do not want isk, donations, or financial help of any kind.
It is not the motivation for this thread. I am not even sure the person being discussed here has any intention to return to eve. From my understanding hes a big star wars fan and has expressed interest in the new star wars mmo coming out. But don't quote me on this im just speculating. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:17:00 -
[96] - Quote
I remember when the Star Trek fans were leaving for the new Star Trek game that was supposed to kill Eve.... |
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:24:00 -
[97] - Quote
I love how wilba stated he was going to investigate the matter and came back to state it was troll.
Ask Eperor and his officers about the 3 shiney new deadspace fitted hulks, mackinaws, skiffs. The orca, rorqual, faction pos, all the ore and loot. all the minerals etc and much more that they refused to return after removing the person this thread is about from the corp while he was in treatment.
Obviously you did no investigation or just shoved this under the rug in an attempt to prevent any negative PR for your alliance. |
Wibla
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
13
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:12:00 -
[98] - Quote
I called the story a troll, we figured out fairly quickly who was the originator of this thread.
And you know what? This is EVE Online, not hello kitty online or WoW. He was booted because he was bad at eve and got his stuff blown up more often than not.
I've not been able to verify that any of the assets he claims that LVSKY stole was actually his to begin with, or even existed outside of his mind, especially not, and I quote your quite entertaining mail: http://pastie.org/private/2pju2xy0oj5ffbem54vhzw
Quote:Many other ships that I do not know for 100% the details on, like noctis, faction fitted probing ships etc.. there were if i can remember correctly about 15-20 ships in the hanger bay owned by Skoda. Several Billions in resources such as ores, ice, minerals etc. Several Billions in super carrier components etc. SC and Titan BPCs As far as I know, he left about 10k arkonor, 5k bistot (or something to that effect) and some kernite, aswell as 5 hulks, but they weren't even tanked, much less faction fit. FWIW, he owed wolfie over a bill isk so the hulks were given to him as compensation. CEO Tactical Narcotics Team |
Jack Cavanaugh
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:15:00 -
[99] - Quote
EVE RULES:
1. Don't trust anyone.
2. If you find someone you can actually trust, see rule #1. |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
54
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:03:00 -
[100] - Quote
You people need to go back to ******* elementary school and learn to ******* read.
Her husband suffered a physical injury and became addicted to the pain meds, not Eve. After getting out of rehab for the pain meds, he fired up his computer and realized that he was in a douche corp who stole all his ****. He was in rehab for the painkillers, not Eve, but this put him back over the edge due to his fragile state of mind.
Holy ****, people, it's literally a 4th grade reading level. Everyone who's going on about how he shouldn't have let himself become addicted to Eve should just eat the barrel of a shotgun right now because you're even more pathetic due to your inability to read elementary English.
That said, it's the internet. Eve is the last thing you wanna play if your sensibilities are easily offended. The entire premise of the game is to screw over everyone you can in order to put yourself on top. |
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Kuseka Adama
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:25:00 -
[101] - Quote
Topics like this make me want to shoot people. The true lack of human decency that exists when people cant be held physically responsible for their actions is disgusting. None of you would have the balls to say what's being said in this thread to his face for fear of getting shot AND DESERVEDLY SO!
I hope the victim of this disgrace builds up the courage to start naming names. People like this should be shot on sight in this universe repeatedly. Humanity is a cesspool. Actions like this are clear evidence of that. I pray he pulls through. I also pray for his own sake he hits the uninstall button and cancels his subscriptions. A game like this is not conducive to someone going through what he is. Specifically because scum like this exists in the world.
I get that EVE is one of the worst and at the same time best gaming communities around but this is a whole new low for its players. For all of its players.
Those of you in that corporation with any sense of decency should get out while you can. If this corporation is in a serious alliance i pray that leadership does something punitive. You've essentially driven a man to the brink of RL death. If he had died anyone in that corporation would be able to be held responsible for this mess. Civilly at the least. And potentially legally.
And to the OP. If he decides after all this to come back and needs some help getting on his feet i'm more than willing to help him at least with in game stuff. This is my first post in a goddamned long time because i'd left the game for other reasons months ago. People like this make me sick. For every 1 of these corporations there are ten far better. My previous outfit is proof of that. |
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.07 03:26:00 -
[102] - Quote
Skoda owed wolfie only for a fitted ishtar he gave to him a couple days before his intervention.
On multiple occasions Skoda asked wolfie how much he wanted for the ishtar and wolfie said he hadn't calculated it yet. The next day was the intervention and that was that. First opportunity to get online to explain his absence was a couple weeks later where he convoed eperor, wolfie and a few other officers to enlighten them on situation. During that discussion the ishtar was not brought up.
Hardly owing a billion isk. Please do stop trying to futher skewer the truth. All I want is an admission of the very detailed allegations brought against you. Just admit you did this and we can all move on.
THIS IS NOT A SMEERE CAMPAGIN.
Every allegation levied against you is accurate, you are the antagonist of this situation, and I hope that the reputation of LVSKY and TNT suffers for it.
Oh and since wibla you decided to produce a private eve mail and publish it publically revealing the name of the victum which was just another attack against him as everyone here is aware he did not want his identity published. I will confirm,
Skoda Zek is the victim in this case. He has a long and very positive history in eve. Nearly anyone he knew in game or knows him would attest nothing but the fondest of character qualities as testiment to his persona.
Skoda Zek of CA / FIX / TRI / REQ / AAA etc
Now everyone knows.
It would appear I owe Skoda an apology as it was my desire to see this issue brought to light which ultimately lead to the release of his identity, I know he will be very troubled by this and I am so very sorry for that.
LEt these chips fall where they may. |
Wibla
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
15
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:46:00 -
[103] - Quote
Elviraah wrote:Skoda owed wolfie only for a fitted ishtar he gave to him a couple days before his intervention.
On multiple occasions Skoda asked wolfie how much he wanted for the ishtar and wolfie said he hadn't calculated it yet. The next day was the intervention and that was that. First opportunity to get online to explain his absence was a couple weeks later where he convoed eperor, wolfie and a few other officers to enlighten them on situation. During that discussion the ishtar was not brought up.
Hardly owing a billion isk. Please do stop trying to futher skewer the truth. All I want is an admission of the very detailed allegations brought against you. Just admit you did this and we can all move on.
Admit what? admit telling a corp director that a person needs to be gone because he's not joining fleets and gets his orca blown up in a belt in nullsec? That's a matter of fact.Elviraah wrote:
THIS IS NOT A SMEERE CAMPAGIN.
Yes it is, but I'm not sure how well its working out for you... (its also spelled smear, btw)Elviraah wrote: Every allegation levied against you is accurate, you are the antagonist of this situation, and I hope that the reputation of LVSKY and TNT suffers for it.
Accurate? I've not been able to find any documentation or proof of the stuff he claims he lost when he got kicked, with the exception of the DG Medium tower and some hulks. Also, we've been getting some feedback, mostly in the form of "haha, you guys are the BEST, keep at it!" (Hint: we're in the CFC)Elviraah wrote: Oh and since wibla you decided to produce a private eve mail and publish it publically revealing the name of the victum which was just another attack against him as everyone here is aware he did not want his identity published. I will confirm,
Skoda Zek is the victim in this case. He has a long and very positive history in eve. Nearly anyone he knew in game or knows him would attest nothing but the fondest of character qualities as testiment to his persona.
Skoda Zek of CA / FIX / TRI / REQ / AAA etc
Now everyone knows.
It would appear I owe Skoda an apology as it was my desire to see this issue brought to light which ultimately lead to the release of his identity, I know he will be very troubled by this and I am so very sorry for that.
LEt these chips fall where they may.
You opened the can of worms when you decided, against his will, to start this thread, though I'm not sure if its not just skoda zek using an alt trying to spin up a sob story to make us look bad.
Let me summarize a few things about eve-online that you may or may not know, but that is relevant for this 'case':
1. You cannot anchor personal poses, so the moment you anchor a pos for corp, that is in effect a corp asset. 2. Anything you leave in a tower CHA/SMA can be taken by anyone with the right roles, POSes are not safe places to leave things, actually LVSKY probably told him this before he put up his tower, as they've had a substantial corp theft from a pos before. You don't leave assets sitting in space if you're not around to protect them. CEO Tactical Narcotics Team |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
236
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:47:00 -
[104] - Quote
Elviraah wrote:LEt these chips fall where they may. We had fish and chips for lunch today. It was p. tasty. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
121
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Posted - 2011.12.07 16:58:00 -
[105] - Quote
Wibla wrote:
Let me summarize a few things about eve-online that you may or may not know, but that is relevant for this 'case':
1. You cannot anchor personal poses, so the moment you anchor a pos for corp, that is in effect a corp asset. 2. Anything you leave in a tower CHA/SMA can be taken by anyone with the right roles, POSes are not safe places to leave things, actually LVSKY probably told him this before he put up his tower, as they've had a substantial corp theft from a pos before. You don't leave assets sitting in space if you're not around to protect them.
So, taking into account what you've just disclosed, either:
A) You neglected to inform Skoda of these litte details, either accidentally or intentionally (does that 'corp asset' thing extend to whatever ships your members are storing in the POS, by the way?)
or
B) You were lax about your security and allowed the wrong people access to storage (aka, you got sloppy and Skoda was offered up as a sacrifical lamb).
Sorry, but I'm going to have to ask for some extra proof that Skoda is the one at fault. I hope you'll understand that, considering you're a member of the corp in question, it's hard to accept that thee's no evidence purely on your say-so. |
Wibla
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
16
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Posted - 2011.12.07 18:59:00 -
[106] - Quote
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
So, taking into account what you've just disclosed, either:
A) You neglected to inform Skoda of these litte details, either accidentally or intentionally (does that 'corp asset' thing extend to whatever ships your members are storing in the POS, by the way?)
or
B) You were lax about your security and allowed the wrong people access to storage (aka, you got sloppy and Skoda was offered up as a sacrifical lamb).
Sorry, but I'm going to have to ask for some extra proof that Skoda is the one at fault. I hope you'll understand that, considering you're a member of the corp in question, it's hard to accept that thee's no evidence purely on your say-so.
Let me start off by mentioning that the two points in my last post were general, as they pertain to basic game mechanics.
The straight up analysis of what happened is basically: Player A is bad at eve, gets himself kicked, loses some assets because he left them where others could get at them, writes sob story on the forums while also massively exaggerating what he lost.
Fault? its his own fault that he got kicked, v0v
A further analysis is that this guy probably shouldnt have been playing EVE at all after what he supposedly went through, EVE can be a nasty habit (addiction) if you get dragged in, much the same as drug use... CEO Tactical Narcotics Team |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
121
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:25:00 -
[107] - Quote
Wibla wrote: Let me start off by mentioning that the two points in my last post were general, as they pertain to basic game mechanics.
Noted. Allow me to clarify that I was referring to the idea of a POS being 'effectively corp property'; did anyone inform Skoda of this at the time? Can we find verifiable evidence to that effect? If so, then yes, he was a bit foolish. If not, then it becomes an issue of communication and corporate management.
Wibla wrote: The straight up analysis of what happened is basically: Player A is bad at eve, gets himself kicked, loses some assets because he left them where others could get at them, writes sob story on the forums while also massively exaggerating what he lost.
Fault? its his own fault that he got kicked, v0v
A further analysis is that this guy probably shouldnt have been playing EVE at all after what he supposedly went through, EVE can be a nasty habit (addiction) if you get dragged in, much the same as drug use...
Again, do we have verifiable evidence? Can you post logs, or transcripts, or even a screenshot that would substantiate your claims? To quote the late Gene Roddenberry: 'I can't very well find out who's f***ing who until I get some accurate information.'
Let's boil this down to its components: a man is in hospital, accusations have been raised, and someone is responsible, either by accidental error or a deliberate act of omission. Let's find out, once and for all, who that person should be. |
Wibla
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
17
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:42:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Again, do we have verifiable evidence? Can you post logs, or transcripts, or even a screenshot that would substantiate your claims? To quote the late Gene Roddenberry: 'I can't very well find out who's f***ing who until I get some accurate information.'
Let's boil this down to its components: a man is in hospital, accusations have been raised, and someone is responsible, either by accidental error or a deliberate act of omission. Let's find out, once and for all, who that person should be.
Thats a very interesting statement, lets look at it from a slightly different angle: Do we have verifiable proof that OP's story is true? CEO Tactical Narcotics Team |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
122
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:55:00 -
[109] - Quote
Wibla wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Again, do we have verifiable evidence? Can you post logs, or transcripts, or even a screenshot that would substantiate your claims? To quote the late Gene Roddenberry: 'I can't very well find out who's f***ing who until I get some accurate information.'
Let's boil this down to its components: a man is in hospital, accusations have been raised, and someone is responsible, either by accidental error or a deliberate act of omission. Let's find out, once and for all, who that person should be.
Thats a very interesting statement, lets look at it from a slightly different angle: Do we have verifiable proof that OP's story is true?
I'm not seeking to prove anyone right, wrong, purple or blue. Frankly, I couldn't care less who's right and who's wrong.
BUT.
We need to get the story straight.
That means finding out what broke, and why, and we can't do that until we have a clear picture of what actually happened. So far, all we've got is a bunch of he-said/she-said, which gets us nowhere. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:56:00 -
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Internet spaceships apparently are srs business |
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Feilamya
14
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:51:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Feilamya wrote: Always remember: - Your ingame character is not you. - The ingame characters played by other players are not them. - Nothing that happens inside the game world is real.
I"m sorry, but you are so completely and totally obviously wrong.
The 3 points you quoted (and the rest of my post) were all common sense among gamers before people like you started playing games. They were common sense even before the internet and before computers. Back then, the line between a game and real life was perhaps easier to grasp, because most sane people would find it hard to identify with a wooden brick on a paper square when they sat down for a game of Monopoly.
If you think games are real, you should stop playing games and get a life. Games are harmful to you like sports can be harmful to people in bad physical conditions. In the same way as you have to be physically fit for sports, you have to be mentally fit for modern role-playing games.
The fundamental difference between a old-fashioned board games or sports and online games is that YOU NEVER MEET YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS! All social interaction that happens in the ingame chat or even this form is PART OF THE GAME. It is NOT REAL! Whereas the chat and the few beers you may have with your buddies after a football match or a bowling session IS REAL and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME of football or bowling. When you play an online game, you are ALONE, unless someone is sitting nearby and playing the same game.
If people do not understand these principles, then online games can in fact be dangerous to them. Conditions which experts that we often laugh about are calling "gaming addiction" are a direct result of confusing events in a game with events in reality.
If a significant majority of people considered games as a part of the real world, then not only our society would have a serious problem, but we would also have to immediately close down games like Eve Online (where stealing, backstabbing and scamming are legit game mechanics) or change their rules radically. Nobody wants this. It is fair enough to expect people who do not accept the rules of the game to leave it and play something else (or, while we are at it, spend their time on something useful and stop suffering from burnout and complaining about not having time for anything). There are plenty of alternatives (none of them have internet spaceships, but if anyone is to blame for that, it's all game studios that are not called CCP and that are constantly failing at producing a viable alternative).
Threads like this make me glad I am a fossil that grew up without the internet. |
Tear Miner
Republic University Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2011.12.07 21:42:00 -
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Out of Pod Experience: Where troll posts from GD go to die.
So can we let this one die, now? |
Wibla
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
17
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:13:00 -
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It was fun while it lasted :D
CEO Tactical Narcotics Team |
Skoda Zek
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 02:01:00 -
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Wow, where do I begin? I'm quite honestly almost at a loss for words here.
I am so pleased that people respect my wishes.
Rick what you made public in this thread was a betrayal of my trust that dare I say goes beyond that of what happened in game.
I don't want anything from any of you beyond the cessation of this discussion. My personal life has been plastered all over the Eve forums and topics which I consider quite personal have been made public for everyone to see and discuss and this has me quite angry.
As everyone is now apparently aware, I have much more important things to concern myself with. In comparison this seems hardly worth replying too. I do only because I want no further discussion of my personal life. It's nobodies business outside of myself and my family.
I got booted out of a corporation for excessive loss mails due to passing out while mining because I was hopped up on painkillers. I left the majority of my equipment and such inside a privately owned pos which the corporation decided not to return with my removal. That is what it boils down too.
Oh and to clarify, I still have my Rorqual and all my SC precursor modules. They are just located in what is now hostile space albeit still in my possesion.
When I am finished my program here, if I decide to return to Eve I assure you I am still quite financially comfortable.
As you can see things have been exaggerated.
Let this be the end of it.
Thanks, you are all free to return to your own problems now. |
Tear Miner
Republic University Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2011.12.08 02:26:00 -
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Skoda Zek wrote:Wow, where do I begin? I'm quite honestly almost at a loss for words here.
I am so pleased that people respect my wishes.
Rick what you made public in this thread was a betrayal of my trust that dare I say goes beyond that of what happened in game.
I don't want anything from any of you beyond the cessation of this discussion. My personal life has been plastered all over the Eve forums and topics which I consider quite personal have been made public for everyone to see and discuss and this has me quite angry.
As everyone is now apparently aware, I have much more important things to concern myself with. In comparison this seems hardly worth replying too. I do only because I want no further discussion of my personal life. It's nobodies business outside of myself and my family.
I got booted out of a corporation for excessive loss mails due to passing out while mining because I was hopped up on painkillers. I left the majority of my equipment and such inside a privately owned pos which the corporation decided not to return with my removal. That is what it boils down too.
Oh and to clarify, I still have my Rorqual and all my SC precursor modules. They are just located in what is now hostile space albeit still in my possesion.
When I am finished my program here, if I decide to return to Eve I assure you I am still quite financially comfortable.
As you can see things have been exaggerated.
Let this be the end of it.
Thanks, you are all free to return to your own problems now.
Even this well crafted troll post will not save this thread.
Let it die.
Edit: I'd like to point out how I know, 100%, that this is in fact a troll. Well, it all hinges on Wibla kicking people OUT of TNT for being bad. I know for a fact, TNT's recruitment policy is to find out how bad you are, then let you in if you're really bad. I think losing Orca's in belts is an automatic pass on TNT apps. |
Skoda Zek
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 07:05:00 -
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This is in response to the mails I received in the last couple hours.
I apologize if I came across as ungrateful in my previous post towards those who spoke up in support of my wife's initial argument. That absolutely was not my intention.
I do appreciate your comments and will not forget them. |
Zedic
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 06:30:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:it is not about a person taking a game to seriously but others people who use the: it is a game-excuse to be total dicks.
Again, while a lot of things are allowed in this game, EVE does not require you to be one.
I have also found a lot of friends in EVE, I even met some of them in real life. People I can trust with my assets and in return they can depend on me.
Many people here are not playing an dickhead on the internet, they are a **** and just use EVE as a platform and it's a game as an excuse for what they really are.
That's the interesting thing though isn't it? Eve is the ultimate, "do what you want, as there aren't [usually] any "real" consequences" - sort of experience.
So, everyone that plays Eve is presented with two paths:
Allow their ID to run amok in a pretend world without consequence and defend every action with, "it's just a game! lalalalala" or Do what's right or what's honorable - even though you don't have to. This is regarded as being lame or weak or whatever.
In all my years of playing this game I've always been fascinated by how many people chose the so-called "lower road". To each their own, and obviously I'm one of those lame types. I've had some really amazing times in this game and thankfully - I've always flown with honorable groups of people who know each other outside of the game.
Skoda, I wish you all the best in your road to recovery. There are several people in my life that I love very much who also struggle with addiction. I hope that you can find the serenity that you deserve and I wish the best for you and your wife. I'm sorry you haven't had the same experiences that I've had in this game or in TNT, which has always been great even though I have at times been an unmitigated ass to my fellow directors and have been absent now for a few months due to being in a new relationship.
best wishes |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
44
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Posted - 2011.12.13 06:39:00 -
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Kuseka Adama wrote:Topics like this make me want to shoot people. The true lack of human decency that exists when people cant be held physically responsible for their actions is disgusting. None of you would have the balls to say what's being said in this thread to his face for fear of getting shot AND DESERVEDLY SO!
I hope the victim of this disgrace builds up the courage to start naming names. People like this should be shot on sight in this universe repeatedly. Humanity is a cesspool. Actions like this are clear evidence of that. I pray he pulls through. I also pray for his own sake he hits the uninstall button and cancels his subscriptions. A game like this is not conducive to someone going through what he is. Specifically because scum like this exists in the world.
I get that EVE is one of the worst and at the same time best gaming communities around but this is a whole new low for its players. For all of its players.
Those of you in that corporation with any sense of decency should get out while you can. If this corporation is in a serious alliance i pray that leadership does something punitive. You've essentially driven a man to the brink of RL death. If he had died anyone in that corporation would be able to be held responsible for this mess. Civilly at the least. And potentially legally.
And to the OP. If he decides after all this to come back and needs some help getting on his feet i'm more than willing to help him at least with in game stuff. This is my first post in a goddamned long time because i'd left the game for other reasons months ago. People like this make me sick. For every 1 of these corporations there are ten far better. My previous outfit is proof of that.
ITP, poster makes multiple assertions about morals and in the next breath judges people need to be shot on sight. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
119
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:48:00 -
[119] - Quote
Feilamya wrote:
I"m sorry, but you are so completely and totally obviously wrong.
The 3 points you quoted (and the rest of my post) were all common sense among gamers before people like you started playing games. They were common sense even before the internet and before computers. Back then, the line between a game and real life was perhaps easier to grasp, because most sane people would find it hard to identify with a wooden brick on a paper square when they sat down for a game of Monopoly.
If you think games are real, you should stop playing games and get a life. Games are harmful to you like sports can be harmful to people in bad physical conditions. In the same way as you have to be physically fit for sports, you have to be mentally fit for modern role-playing games.
The fundamental difference between a old-fashioned board games or sports and online games is that YOU NEVER MEET YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS! All social interaction that happens in the ingame chat or even this form is PART OF THE GAME. It is NOT REAL! Whereas the chat and the few beers you may have with your buddies after a football match or a bowling session IS REAL and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME of football or bowling. When you play an online game, you are ALONE, unless someone is sitting nearby and playing the same game.
If people do not understand these principles, then online games can in fact be dangerous to them. Conditions which experts that we often laugh about are calling "gaming addiction" are a direct result of confusing events in a game with events in reality.
If a significant majority of people considered games as a part of the real world, then not only our society would have a serious problem, but we would also have to immediately close down games like Eve Online (where stealing, backstabbing and scamming are legit game mechanics) or change their rules radically. Nobody wants this. It is fair enough to expect people who do not accept the rules of the game to leave it and play something else (or, while we are at it, spend their time on something useful and stop suffering from burnout and complaining about not having time for anything). There are plenty of alternatives (none of them have internet spaceships, but if anyone is to blame for that, it's all game studios that are not called CCP and that are constantly failing at producing a viable alternative).
Threads like this make me glad I am a fossil that grew up without the internet.
The society already has a big problem, not because of games, but because of all the dysfunctional people out there, who are just weak willed little sociopatics, hiding their miserable being in the real world, but acting without restraint anywere they can be anonymous or don't have to fear consequences.
Remember that you are playing a game together, winning and losing is part of the game, alright, but still keep it within the game and within some rules. A game of chess is won by tactics and smart moves, not by smashing the other players face with a baseball bat, even if no is is there is no one to punish you for this.
No one cares how much you abuse some pixels, but in a MMO there are people behind them and when a lot of players here claim they play only to extract tears then they have already crossed the line into sociopathic behavior. |
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