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Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.06 09:57:06 -
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Hey guys just wondering how you guys deal with big losses?
I have been having a good time with exploration as a new player in eve. Today I was doing my usual wormhole shenanigans and I scanned a relic site with a 1b faction blueprint.
You can tell by the title that I failed. It is REALLY discouraging as this was the first one I had failed the entire day.
I kind of wish I had just never found it haha.
Was it just bad luck?
I am currently using the what I think is the best t1 frigrate rig for relic sites (2x small emission scope scanner + imicus).
Its SO disheartening because the next skill level jumps that would have mad a difference in this situation are so far away. Archeology 5 is a 10day+ train, the skills require to fly a covop is 14day+ train. Astero is an option, but it just isn't even close to my budget right now.
Thanks for reading, I really appreciate it. |
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:03:14 -
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So what you're saying is that you failed the site and weren't able to get a 1 bil ISK faction blueprint, or that you had the blueprint in your hold and you were blown up and you lost it?
Firstly, you're not always going to succeed when your skills are relatively low, etc.
If you want to be successful as an explorer then you're going to need to invest the time in getting your skills up there, including those that will assist you in fitting, etc.
Here is a guide which you may find helpful.
Don't get discouraged. Just invest into those things that will help you become better and more successful. It will take some time. |
Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:08:30 -
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Yea I failed the site.
Thanks for linking that, I have extensively went through that page before, but maybe I will give it a second go.
I am trying to stay positive haha, the long skill trains + my recent loss is making it hard though. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:12:11 -
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don't cargo scan the site so that way you will never know if you lost anything :p
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:13:24 -
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You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing . |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:14:01 -
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Well. That's why you set yourself goals....
To train up so that the loss ain't happening anymore. (or later, when you get blown to pieces by someone with the blueprint in your cargohold).
That's IMO the beauty of EVE, and the reason I still play, losses are "real". If they weren't, then surviving something or achieving something hard, wouldn't matter. Now, because it matters, it makes it so much better to achieve a goal or do something that you thought wouldn't be possible.
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Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:14:26 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:don't cargo scan the site so that way you will never know if you lost anything :p
Haha that is what I used to do but cargo scanning is so efficient.
Maybe I will go back to do that anyways. No time save is worth feeling like crap |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5317
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:16:15 -
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Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing .
THIS...so much this.
IIRC today I finally will finish a 40+ day skill...more or less...I think...
Not that it matters anymore with "unlimited" queues...
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Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:21:24 -
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Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing .
Yea I know, its just as a new player who wants to do everything, and has little to work with, the training times seem large.
I thought I had sufficient enough skills for the kind of exploring I wanted to do, but this loss makes me reconsider. But then if I spend so much more time on exploration I won't be able to reach my pvp goal quicker, etc. A little overwhelming. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:37:25 -
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Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing .
luckily at that point you have enough other skills you can have a bit of fun and when it does finish you say "ooh look at this new shiny thing I can play with." Sure doing Cruiser V, or BS V for the first time can be long slow and painful, but after that its mostly happy times.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:38:55 -
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Yeah, it may be enticing to "try all the things" but try to focus on one area, then move onto another, etc.
You only lose the invested time in skills if a direction doesn't appeal to you after all. Once you have a skill you always have it and it doesn't get in the way of gaining any other skils.
Besides, you really didn't lose anything. You just missed being able to get something.
Just wait until you lose that 100 mil Astero with T2 fittings (making it more like 150 mil plus) and the loot (probably worth millions or more) in your cargohold when you get blown up by something (a Sleeper perhaps, or other NPCs, or site effects) or someone.
And if you can't afford such a loss then you're not ready to take the risk.
"Never undock in anything you can't afford to lose." |
Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:42:21 -
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Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:Yeah, it may be enticing to "try all the things" but try to focus on one area, then move onto another, etc.
You only lose the invested time in skills if a direction doesn't appeal to you after all. Once you have a skill you always have it and it doesn't get in the way of gaining any other skils.
Besides, you really didn't lose anything. You just missed being able to get something.
Just wait until you lose that 100 mil Astero with T2 fittings (making it more like 150 mil plus) and the loot (probably worth millions or more) in your cargohold when you get blown up by something (a Sleeper perhaps, or other NPCs, or site effects) or someone.
And if you can't afford such a loss then you're not ready to take the risk.
"Never undock in anything you can't afford to lose."
I never leave the station with something I can't afford to lose.
I feel like by missing the blueprint I lost something I would never ever risk(weird way to look at it), thus it makes me feel very negative. |
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
199
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:45:05 -
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I've run combat sites and got most of the way in clearing it for the final room and possible very juicy loot drops only to have someone blitz past me and make the loot score.
It's Eve.
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Ertur Adestur
Hek Xplo Ltd
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:45:20 -
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Also, while your skills improve, do NOT stop getting out there and doing stuff. The right skills at the right level is important, but your experience as a player is invaluable. Stuff is lost, opportunities slip, but you keep learning.
Edit to add: A while ago, I lost a Loki. To NPCs. In hisec. That, Sir, is loss. I shouted at the screen, went for a cup of coffee. And then I bought a new one. One gets used to it. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.06 11:14:49 -
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Ertur Adestur wrote:Also, while your skills improve, do NOT stop getting out there and doing stuff. The right skills at the right level is important, but your experience as a player is invaluable. Stuff is lost, opportunities slip, but you keep learning. Edit to add: A while ago, I lost a Loki. To NPCs. In hisec. That, Sir, is loss. I shouted at the screen, went for a cup of coffee. And then I bought a new one. One gets used to it.
I did the exact opposite.
Went for a coffee and a smoke, forgetting my mission also had neuts in it.
Came back to 2 pods in locations my Tengu and Legion should have been...
That almost throw my coffee over the PC.
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Kharaxus
CareBear Initiations The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2015.01.06 12:24:47 -
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OP.
You are making some serious progress. Your killboard is a perfect example of how to do that.
You saw a huge jump in profit - and failed. Welcome to Eve. Learn from it and move on - like you have already.
It's people like you that help stabilize Eve.
Meanwhile I tend to bounce around a lot here and there........ I have never seen a 1 Billion anything in a site - but now I am curious to see if I can find it.
Thank you OP for the thread. I appreciate it. o/ |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2015.01.06 13:02:33 -
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Leon Beach wrote:Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing . Yea I know, its just as a new player who wants to do everything, and has little to work with, the training times seem large. I thought I had sufficient enough skills for the kind of exploring I wanted to do, but this loss makes me reconsider. But then if I spend so much more time on exploration I won't be able to reach my pvp goal quicker, etc. A little overwhelming.
If you are a solo player like I am 80% of the time training frigate to V, Cloaking to IV, CPU management to IV, and Archaeology to V is the way to go. You can make a lot of ISK quickly running relic sites in null and wormhole space in a covert ops frigate. This will fund your PVP habit. Fit warp stabs to your covops frigate. Once you start making some ISK you can buy Asteros and be able to kill any covert ops frigates who are competing with you for relic sites in null and only have to run from Tengus.
Good luck. |
Jake Peters
Shadow Core Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.01.06 13:02:43 -
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I bought a Gila that I could barely afford and really couldn't afford to lose and I thought I kitted it out well and then I went into a level 4 mission and got blown to pieces. I was so annoyed with the game and more with myself if honest and I nearly ragequit the game.
I didn't deal with that loss well, but the game pulled me back in and I have since trained up more and now flying a Dominix and handling level 4 missions well and I think the one thing you have to really learn with this game is patience and don't try to run before you can walk. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:34:59 -
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EVE is a nasty game, OP.
One day you snag a 1 bil blueprint, the next day (or week) you lose it.
One day you get an epic fight, the next day (or week) you just blow up to gatecamps or roam for hours finding nothing.
One day you make billions on the market, the next day (or week) you lose billions, or maybe just can't find decent deals and get bored.
The more you play, the more you'll find that there's no limit to highs... and lows. And no way to predict them, too!
That's why we're all helpless addicts. Welcome to the EVE-a-holic club!
Make space glamorous!
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
840
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Posted - 2015.01.06 15:37:30 -
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You didn't lose anything - you gained the knowledge of where and how to find 1b ISK blueprints.
Lets say you find four of them in the new few weeks and only manage to hack one. Would the time spent not be well worth it?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.06 16:47:56 -
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Honestly , loss is everything for me in eve. It's what gives weight and meaning to my actions (and the conciquensess) in this game, without the loss, or the potential for it, eve loses that edgy fear I feel in love with, my victorys become hollow and ultimately pointless.
So to be brief, I learned to love it.
Though it's worth noting that you haven't actually lost anything there, you failed certainly but you asplode.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.01.06 16:53:04 -
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Trouble dealing with loss? Go suicide gank for a while, that will go away real quick.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.06 17:04:50 -
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Leon Beach wrote:Hey guys just wondering how you guys deal with big losses. I go outside for a while. In your case it's like fishing, you now have a good story about the one that got away (1B -> I mean 2B BPC).
FWIW, the more valuable the loot the harder it's going to be to successfully crack the can. Training Arch V is very much worth it.
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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux
115
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Posted - 2015.01.06 17:37:38 -
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I undock with the expectation of losing what I've undocked in. Even if it's just running L4's being as I have a wife and 2 kids. Sometimes **** happens. Usually when I'm scrammed. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.06 17:44:07 -
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Leon Beach wrote:Hey guys just wondering how you guys deal with big losses?
EVE has often been compared to Chess, so I'll use that as an analogy here.
When you lose a queen it's a pretty big loss.
Do you toss the board? Do you punch your opponent in the face? Or do you soldier on while ruminating over what you could have done to prevent that loss and figure out a strategy for the future.
I'd like to think it's the third option.
Same goes for EVE. You can ragequit. You can cry. Scream in local. Start threads blaming anything but you for the situation you put yourself in. Or you can give some thought to why you got in that situation in the first place and come up with a strategy for next time.
Which do you think gets you further in the game?
And just to further the analogy. Any loss in only a momentary thing. You get to start over the next time you reset the pieces for the next match. Same with EVE. Each new belt/ site/ battle/ etc is a new thing. So while you shouldn't forget what happened before, neither should you dwell on it. Learn from it and move on.
Mr Epeen
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.01.06 21:06:59 -
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With exploration the higher skills are vital. You will find yourself investing quite a bit of time and ISK into every extra bit of virus strength. Though it takes time to get into, the T2 analyzes make a world of difference. Later on you will want to upgrade to a ship with hacking bonuses, like a CovOps or a Sisters of Eve ship. If explo is going to be your bread and butter, remember that something like a Stratios can pay for itself quickly. Keep it up; I have yet to even see a can worth that much. |
Kharaxus
CareBear Initiations The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2015.01.06 21:29:13 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Each new belt/ site/ battle/ etc is a new thing. So while you shouldn't forget what happened before, neither should you dwell on it. Learn from it and move on. Mr Epeen
This right here ^^
The losses suck. Paying for plex sucks. I hate paying $20 to go see a movie even worse.
I'd rather be playing Eve - and exploring the universe that has been created by them awesome programmers and artists. |
Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
72
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Posted - 2015.01.07 08:16:51 -
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You didn't lose a 1b blueprint. You blew up a 1b blueprint so someone else couldn't loot it.
I call that a win!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4509
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Posted - 2015.01.07 19:28:25 -
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Leon Beach wrote:Hey guys just wondering how you guys deal with big losses? My biggest loss to-date was a 2.5 billion ISK Tengu.
I handled it by immediately buying another one. In EVE, ships are consumables. |
Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:02:18 -
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Why just the other evening my supercool self and his Loki loaded with intact metal plates were blown sky high by a well engineered gate camp.
Oh well......been awhile. |
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