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Alexa Miasmata
Martyr's Vengence
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Posted - 2015.01.08 20:55:55 -
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Hey, So I read a bit into the game and a lot of people say ninja salvaging is a easy way to make a bit start money (I completed the agent missions yesterday and got my ship the combat probes). I watched 2 tutorials so far but I have huge problems actually finding a mission ongoing. According to the agent finder the system im in has quite a few L4 agents (Stacmon) and there are normally around 40 players there. My problem is that my probes can't "focus" on the ship. I track them down till I got a red dot, but then everytime I make the probes radius a level smaller, it cant track the red dot anymore. I thought that would be to the ship moving around, but when I make my radius as big as before the ship is still there (probably on a mission...) and haven't moved much, yet when I make the radius smaller again it disappears again. Am I doing something wrong or overseeing something? Thanks for help in advance! :) Lg |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1734
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Posted - 2015.01.08 21:01:04 -
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As long as you are actually probing correctly, this sounds like a skillpoint/fitting issue?
Combine high Astrometric skills, probe implants & a ship/modules that gets bonuses to probing and this becomes hella easier. (example).
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8353
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Posted - 2015.01.08 21:24:49 -
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You might also be scanning the through traffic, try scanning a miner in a belt when you know they're static, if you're still struggling then it's either your skills need working on or your understanding of the feedback from the probes which can be tricky.
Ships with bonuses to probing halp aswell.
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Humber Bukandara
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.09 07:58:00 -
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when I first started using combat probes I was suprised at the amount of ships. I finally pinpointed a retriever and warped to it only to find myself sitting at a station. I did not realise I was scanning every ship in the system. I just look for anomalies now. |
Justin Zaine
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Posted - 2015.01.09 08:14:32 -
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Quote:Another gotcha is if you actually don't have all ship types selected 'on' in your overview filter settings. The ships appear as reds while they are unidentified at far probe ranges, but once your probes zoom in enough to identify them the filter then kicks in and removes them from view because of that overview setting.
Sounds like this is your issue. It was a big problem for me when I first started out years ago as well.
It's a tricky concept, so while Feyd was totally correct i'll try and explain it a different way:
What you have to understand is that your probe scanner essentially operates with 2 different signal types. The first type of signal is just a generic signal that indicates that "Yes, there is something there, but we haven't identified it's type yet." This is the red dot you get between 0 and ~28% signal strength and will show up without fail, regardless of what your filter settings are.
The second type of signal is the one that kicks in after you've gotten the signal past ~28% strength, and it indicates that "Yup, there's something there and the signal is strong enough that we know what type of ship it is." This is when the red dot becomes a yellow box, and also when the filter kicks in. If you have the filter set only for Battleships and previously had a red dot up until ~28% signal strength, but then all of a sudden lost the signal, it's basically the probe scanner saying "Well, he told us to look for Battleships. Now that we have a strong enough signal to Identify the ship type, is what we're looking at here a Battleship?" If the answer to that question is "No," then the signal is basically thrown away, and you're left sitting there dazed and confused as to why you apparently suck at scanning.
That may or may not have helped you understand, but the solution to the problem is to just include every single ship type in your scanning filter, so that regardless of what type of ship the sig turns out to be, it won't be hidden from you.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4336
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Posted - 2015.01.09 10:16:14 -
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One more issue. A lot of Stacmon's traffic isn't mission runners.
EVE Uni's lowsec campus used it as a mini trade hub (not sure if this is still the case but it was 3 months ago). It's also a regional border. As a consequence a fair number of that 40 people may be traders.
Try Apanake. It's somewhat close, and has a *lot* of bears. It also has a fair number of other mission invaders, so you will have competition, but for learning the mechanics it will work well.
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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.09 10:32:29 -
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As an alternative, if your goal is to simply get salvage to sell for ISK you can always ask to fleet up with the L4 missioners and they'll usually gladly have you along to salvage for them for a fair cut, plus you'd get other rewards shared. They like it when they can get the added value of having someone salvage for them, for that fair cut.
If you're in Stacmon, yeah Eve Uni hangs around there and a lot of them will gladly have you join in. You can get on their comms and such and even learn as you earn. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.09 10:35:29 -
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There are a few modules you can fit to help ease the burden of having low skills in scanning. Scan Pinpointing Array I would probably be the most useful in this case, but there are several. You can find them in the scanning upgrades section.
Sisters Combat Scanner Probes would help as well. As would a Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, but that is a bit pricey for a new player.
What ship are you using? The exploration tutorial should give you one of the scanning bonused frigates. Use that to scan. If you're looking to do combat when you land you can bookmark the location from your scan window, swap to ship more suited to combat, and then warp to the site. If you're just stealing drones and such you can probably use the scanning ship for that.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4336
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Posted - 2015.01.09 10:43:32 -
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Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:As an alternative, if your goal is to simply get salvage to sell for ISK you can always ask to fleet up with the L4 missioners and they'll usually gladly have you along to salvage for them for a fair cut, plus you'd get other rewards shared. They like it when they can get the added value of having someone salvage for them, for that fair cut.
If you're in Stacmon, yeah Eve Uni hangs around there and a lot of them will gladly have you join in. You can get on their comms and such and even learn as you earn.
The only reason to ninjasalvage now is to look for fights. It used to be an OK source of income for new players, but the Odyssey expansion changes crashed the salvage market. You are no longer stealing something of even modest value.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Alexa Miasmata
Martyr's Vengence
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Posted - 2015.01.09 17:20:19 -
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Thanks for all the responses!
First of all I use a Imicus (5% on scanning per level), have astrometics on 3 and two rigs on my ship that give it i think 10% on scanning.
I didnt know that it doesn't filter everything until you are scanning enough to get the ship-kind (if you think about, it makes a lot of sense lol).
Also thanks for the tip with Apanake and that ninja salvaging isnt good anymore. I think I'll just try it out, got the ship upgrades and prepared myself a lot so I at least want to do it once :p
Also thanks for the really interesting read on mission flipping! |
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Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2015.01.09 17:25:26 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:You are no longer stealing something of even modest value. If you are only salvaging you are not, and never were, stealing anything. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.01.09 17:34:37 -
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Alexa Miasmata wrote:Thanks for all the responses!
First of all I use a Imicus (5% on scanning per level), have astrometics on 3 and two rigs on my ship that give it i think 10% on scanning.
I didnt know that it doesn't filter everything until you are scanning enough to get the ship-kind (if you think about, it makes a lot of sense lol).
Also thanks for the tip with Apanake and that ninja salvaging isnt good anymore. I think I'll just try it out, got the ship upgrades and prepared myself a lot so I at least want to do it once :p
Also thanks for the really interesting read on mission flipping! Yeah, the isk is not to good anymore but it is one of the best ways to refine your probing efficiency and methods in the relative safety of high-sec.
Also, if you want to make a little more isk, convo the mission runner and ask him if he is collecting the loot, if he is not (quite a few don't) you can ask him to abandon or "blue" the wrecks for you so you can scoop the loot without going suspect. Creating good relations with a few mission runners that are constantly running missions the same time you are around my net a decent income.
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Marsan
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Posted - 2015.01.09 19:50:12 -
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Seem to me with the value of salvage these days it might be easier to ask for mission runners for a salvage bookmark. Most salvage outside of armor plates isn't worth much. On the rare occasion I run a high sec mission, and the even rarer occasion someone shows up in my mission I simply blue my wrecks. There are easier ways to make isk like factionwelfare or exploration.
PS- Real ninja salvagers salvage in Null Sec. Seriously salvaging wrecks from gates and belts is a lot of fun and surprisingly profitable. You think you **** off mission runners when you steal their wrecks wait until you see the tears of gatecampers when you loot a wreck filled with T2 modules....
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.10 18:44:56 -
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Find a higher pop lvl 4 system, some top 100 players; especially sisters of eve agents. if you're struggling to scan down focus on marauders, they have a HUGE sig radius. If you're struggling to scan one of those, you ARE doing it wrong. And if they're anything like me they won't even care you're there.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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Alexa Miasmata
Martyr's Vengence
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Posted - 2015.01.10 18:49:16 -
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Thanks Moonlit Raid but I already got it going. I moved to Apanake and changed my filter settings to just normal ships, now I pretty much find a mission runner everytime. Ninja salvaging is really fun altough the risk/reward is kinda bad. If youre lucky you get 5mil+ out of it, if you dont have luck youre dead.
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Marsan
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Posted - 2015.01.11 00:54:26 -
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Alexa Miasmata wrote:Thanks Moonlit Raid but I already got it going. I moved to Apanake and changed my filter settings to just normal ships, now I pretty much find a mission runner everytime. Ninja salvaging is really fun altough the risk/reward is kinda bad. If youre lucky you get 5mil+ out of it, if you dont have luck youre dead.
A lot of mission runners blitz and leave everything behind. You can book mark and loot their wrecks later. Basically scan them down, bookmark, repeat 3 or 4 times, then loot them one have another, and you have only to wait out one timer. You might want also carry salvage drones and sic them on the battleships for armor plates which are 100K a pop.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.11 02:25:27 -
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Alexa Miasmata wrote:Hey, So I read a bit into the game and a lot of people say ninja salvaging is a easy way to make a bit start money
Ninja salvaging is a good profession for learning probing and getting a handle on aggression mechanics. What it isn't, in my opinion, is a good way to make money.
There was a time long ago (before the rig changes) that it was pretty lucrative. But that day is long past. Most salvage now sells for a couple of hundred ISKies per unit. You need to be really dedicated to make any scratch these days.
Once you get a few more SP under your belt, you can certainly make a living playing the 'Looting Lottery' by thiefing the mission runners wrecks in the hopes that he takes a shot at you. Then a quick reship and you go find out how many of his primo modules drop when you blow him to smithereens.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1319
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Posted - 2015.01.12 05:19:55 -
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Marsan wrote:
PS- Real ninja salvagers salvage in Null Sec. Seriously salvaging wrecks from gates and belts is a lot of fun and surprisingly profitable. You think you **** off mission runners when you steal their wrecks wait until you see the tears of gatecampers when you loot a wreck filled with T2 modules....
Ninja looting hisec mission runners is a waste of time. Experienced missioners just leave the loot behind or cherry pick for a good reason.
If you are going to ninja loot go for something more lucrative and risky - for example stealing the loot from freighter wrecks killed by gate campers / code.. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4350
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Posted - 2015.01.12 06:36:22 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:
If you are going to ninja loot go for something more lucrative and risky - for example stealing the loot from freighter wrecks killed by gate campers / code..
This is definitely viable but at least with CODE. freighter suppression fleets you will find it difficult. We make mistakes but we aren't clueless and usually we have looting pretty down pat, as it is how we fund the alliance these days.
One option that hasn't been mentioned is scanning down Mobile Tractor Units and shooting them. They are fairly easy to probe (IIRC sigrad:scanres ratio, which governs how hard you are to scan, is 6:1, which is on par with a battlecruiser and quite probable at low skills with 0.50 AU probe placement).
Shooting an MTU will take a short while and will make you suspect flagged (so you forfeit CONCORD protection from the time of your first shot on the MTU until 15 minutes after your last shot). Still, it will get you small amounts of loot, some killmails, and (rarely) someone will shoot you back, which is a fight you may win and may lose but either way you should hopefully enjoy it.
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Idred Husanak
Gripplechew's Greenhouse
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Posted - 2015.01.12 06:47:10 -
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Load a Relic hunting ships first. Relic and Data sites won't jump all over on you. It will help you get the hang of scanning and pin pointing things down. You are also likely pretty low on SP on things like Pinpointing. range finding ect. Build an exploration ships first. Honestly its oddly relaxing.. if you have some guts taking a low skill point exploration ship into lowsec when you get your scanning stuff to around the 3s can be very lucrative and fun. You of course are likely to get blowed up.
However its a great way to get the hang of scanning... and the directional scanner. Also to get a good idea of other players mindsets. After awhile when you warp into a 0.3 you will be able to figure out who is there mining... and who is lurking waiting for you.
If its some early scratch your looking for though... pick a time when there is a lowish number of players on. Load up the Eve map and learn to use the statistics options so you can see what corridors of Lowsec have low traffic. Take a basic cloak so you can cloak when you scan, Set a course though 5-6 0.4-0.3 type systems and have some fun. Read up on the directional scanner before you head there. If you jump in and manage to grab a few relic sites you can easily spin out of lowsec with 50-80mil pretty quickly. If your lucky you might even get your pulse going. Just don't get upset if you loose a ship... cause you likely will at some point. Trick is to load the ship up as cheaply as you can and still get the job done, if you loose one or two trust me you will be more annoyed about the 50mil in stuffs that didn't get sold then the ship. lol |
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.01.12 08:21:09 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Marsan wrote:
PS- Real ninja salvagers salvage in Null Sec. Seriously salvaging wrecks from gates and belts is a lot of fun and surprisingly profitable. You think you **** off mission runners when you steal their wrecks wait until you see the tears of gatecampers when you loot a wreck filled with T2 modules....
Ninja looting hisec mission runners is a waste of time. Experienced missioners just leave the loot behind or cherry pick for a good reason. If you are going to ninja loot go for something more lucrative and risky - for example stealing the loot from freighter wrecks killed by gate campers / code..
You're making it sound as if the majority of mission runners aren't lazy non-effort clueless clowns incapable of dealing with others in any sort of way.
OP, As mentioned Stacmon is not where you want to be. Also if you find an active system make sure to scan off the plane of the system (above and below it), that way you avoid the ones sitting at station or in warp (mostly anyway) and you'll only get targets that are actually in a mission. |
Alexa Miasmata
Martyr's Vengence
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:39:05 -
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Just for notice, I started recording my ISK per hour in an excel document. So far high-sec mission ninja salvaging sits at roughly 4mil / h. Ill today try scanning in Lowsec sites, thanks for all the tips altough I will probably not try out stuff like low-sec salvaging, sounds kinda suicidal.
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: One option that hasn't been mentioned is scanning down Mobile Tractor Units and shooting them. They are fairly easy to probe (IIRC sigrad:scanres ratio, which governs how hard you are to scan, is 6:1, which is on par with a battlecruiser and quite probable at low skills with 0.50 AU probe placement).
You mean abandoned ones or ones who are in missions at the time? |
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