Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 300 .. 343 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:21:19 -
[6721] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:That 100% safety insult is just so old hat and pathetic, just used to mask peoples need for easy kills to bolster their own egos while using ultra lame tactics. There are no lame/not lame tactics. There are only tactics. There are no fair/unfair fights, there are only fights. Anyone paying attention at their keyboard can avoid being dropped on, which is literally the only complaint when it comes to AFK cloaking. I'll repeat myself, if you are so risk averse that you won't undock when someone not friendly is in your system, go back to highsec.
That is rather funny, I don't think I suggested anywhere the need for fair fights, nor did I suggest 100% safety, still projecting, what a lameass...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:27:09 -
[6722] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:That is rather funny, I don't think I suggested anywhere the need for fair fights, nor did I suggest 100% safety, still projecting, what a lameass...
You do realize you jumping to personal insults just makes you sound like you're 13 years old, right?
You're proposing 100% safety for AFK ratters and miners in null. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:38:08 -
[6723] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:That is rather funny, I don't think I suggested anywhere the need for fair fights, nor did I suggest 100% safety, still projecting, what a lameass... You do realize you jumping to personal insults just makes you sound like you're 13 years old, right? You're proposing 100% safety for AFK ratters and miners in null.
I am now a year older, gee wizz, well enjoy shooting Alpha clones, about your level
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:48:09 -
[6724] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:I am now a year older, gee wizz, well enjoy shooting Alpha clones, about your level
So again with insults instead of discussing the issue? You're adorable. I'll shoot anyone I can, I typically fly NPSI. If someone decloaks and drops me, I'll call for help (I'm not in HS, so I'm already in a standing fleet and on comms) and fight back.
If I didn't want to do that, I'd live in HS. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:52:55 -
[6725] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I am now a year older, gee wizz, well enjoy shooting Alpha clones, about your level So again with insults instead of discussing the issue? You're adorable. I'll shoot anyone I can, I typically fly NPSI. If someone decloaks and drops me, I'll call for help (I'm not in HS, so I'm already in a standing fleet and on comms) and fight back. If I didn't want to do that, I'd live in HS.
Your special... Keep it up, you have not added anything to the discussion just normal HTFU talking points like, wanting 100% safety, get back to hisec etc., if you call that discussing the issues then suggesting you are special is rather apt.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3482
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:53:26 -
[6726] - Quote
Yeah blops suffer from more jump fatigue than they did two years ago. You're trying to attribute the loss of subs to your pet peeve, despite subs falling long before the changes you suggest are the cause and the population of players exposed to afk cloaking being tiny.
The players you and vipeer think are the reason for the loss of subs have always been quitting and they've been doing so long before subs were declining. They are the same as kimberly sun, they are renters that actually DON'T want to get into pvp. They just want to pve so they can 'level up their raven'. They could rat in groups to push up their ADM's but they don't want to. When you say they quit because hi-sec doesn't pay enough you're just showing how self entitled these people are. Eve is about risk vs reward but these players want the highest rewards without any risk. They will never stick with eve for its pvp sandbox and catering to them will kill this game even faster.
The afk flag doesn't work because it still advertises to ratters when its completely safe to undock and the moment it is un-safe. Best thing to deal with the afk cloaky problem is to remove local. That way being afk cloaked does nothing and neither the ratters nor the campers get any certainty of safety.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:58:52 -
[6727] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Your special... Keep it up, you have not added anything to the discussion just normal HTFU talking points like, wanting 100% safety, get back to hisec etc., if you call that discussing the issues then suggesting you are special is rather apt.
I'll just patiently wait for you to explain how people ratting in groups while in fleets and on comms together have anything to worry about with AFK cloakers.
Go on, take your time. I look forward to your educated, well thought out response. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 15:59:44 -
[6728] - Quote
Daichi Yamato wrote:Yeah blops suffer from more jump fatigue than they did two years ago. You're trying to attribute the loss of subs to your pet peeve, despite subs falling long before the changes you suggest are the cause and the population of players exposed to afk cloaking being tiny.
The players you and vipeer think are the reason for the loss of subs have always been quitting and they've been doing so long before subs were declining. They are the same as kimberly sun, they are renters that actually DON'T want to get into pvp. They just want to pve so they can 'level up their raven'. They could rat in groups to push up their ADM's but they don't want to. When you say they quit because hi-sec doesn't pay enough you're just showing how self entitled these people are. Eve is about risk vs reward but these players want the highest rewards without any risk. They will never stick with eve for its pvp sandbox and catering to them will kill this game even faster.
The afk flag doesn't work because it still advertises to ratters when its completely safe to undock and the moment it is un-safe. Best thing to deal with the afk cloaky problem is to remove local. That way being afk cloaked does nothing and neither the ratters nor the campers get any certainty of safety.
People can game it easily, the entire thing is to force people to gather intel and enable people to get into space when people are actually at work and asleep and get rid of these lame AFK players. It is not completely safe, the cloaker could get into a site and sit there waiting for someone to come in on him. There you go rewards active play...
Local is going to be supplied by an OS, if you don't like local go and shoot it...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 16:00:31 -
[6729] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Your special... Keep it up, you have not added anything to the discussion just normal HTFU talking points like, wanting 100% safety, get back to hisec etc., if you call that discussing the issues then suggesting you are special is rather apt. I'll just patiently wait for you to explain how people ratting in groups while in fleets and on comms together have anything to worry about with AFK cloakers. Go on, take your time. I look forward to your educated, well thought out response.
Already explained that in this thread.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 16:02:53 -
[6730] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Already explained that in this thread.
Already explained why your explanation is just an excuse for carebears in this thread.
Obviously in a 325 page thread neither of us are going to say something new. And obviously the answer is to compromise and nerf cloaking as well as removing local, but you're never going to agree to that, so back to personal insults, yeah? |
|
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 16:05:17 -
[6731] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Already explained that in this thread. Already explained why your explanation is just an excuse for carebears in this thread. Obviously in a 325 page thread neither of us are going to say something new. And obviously the answer is to compromise and nerf cloaking as well as removing local, but you're never going to agree to that, so back to personal insults, yeah?
I did, with the AFK flag on an OS linked to the coming local one, but that's just me. So 100% safety is the way to reply to that, whoooooaaaaah so bad....
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 16:21:42 -
[6732] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:I did, with the AFK flag on an OS linked to the coming local one, but that's just me. So 100% safety is the way to reply to that, whoooooaaaaah so bad....
I'll take an afk flag if you give me the ability to take away local chat. Local = 100% risk free PvE in sov null |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 16:44:21 -
[6733] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I did, with the AFK flag on an OS linked to the coming local one, but that's just me. So 100% safety is the way to reply to that, whoooooaaaaah so bad.... I'll take an afk flag if you give me the ability to take away local chat. Local = 100% risk free PvE in sov null
Its there when they make local require to have an OS too, which is definitely coming, you want to get rid of local you can blow up the OS that supplies it.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 16:49:15 -
[6734] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Its there when they make local require to have an OS too, which is definitely coming, you want to get rid of local you can blow up the OS that supplies it.
Once they commit to a way to get rid of local completely in null (even blowing up a structure) I'll start to consider a way to scan down cloaked ships in null. Just leave WHs as they are |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 17:16:40 -
[6735] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Its there when they make local require to have an OS too, which is definitely coming, you want to get rid of local you can blow up the OS that supplies it. Once they commit to a way to get rid of local completely in null (even blowing up a structure) I'll start to consider a way to scan down cloaked ships in null. Just leave WHs as they are
I don't want to be able to scan down cloaky ships, I just do not like the AFK part.
I am totally not interested in WH space and their mechanics, I just pass through them...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 17:25:25 -
[6736] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:I don't want to be able to scan down cloaky ships, I just do not like the AFK part.
I am totally not interested in WH space and their mechanics, I just pass through them...
Because so many people have killed you or earned ISK while AFK and cloaked |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 18:29:48 -
[6737] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I don't want to be able to scan down cloaky ships, I just do not like the AFK part.
I am totally not interested in WH space and their mechanics, I just pass through them... Because so many people have killed you or earned ISK while AFK and cloaked
You are full of the lame HTFU comments, it is called interacting while AFK, simple really.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 18:38:13 -
[6738] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:You are full of the lame HTFU comments, it is called interacting while AFK, simple really.
I apologize that you can't PvE in 100% safety in the most dangerous parts of the game. How silly of me to think null shouldn't be safe. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 18:54:43 -
[6739] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:You are full of the lame HTFU comments, it is called interacting while AFK, simple really. I apologize that you can't PvE in 100% safety in the most dangerous parts of the game. How silly of me to think null shouldn't be safe.
Another lame HTFU comment, that is not 100% security...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
502
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 18:58:05 -
[6740] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Another lame HTFU comment, that is not 100% security...
...have you ever been to sov null? anyone watching local while PvEing will get away literally 100% of the time as things stand today |
|
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 19:24:42 -
[6741] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Another lame HTFU comment, that is not 100% security... ...have you ever been to sov null? anyone watching local while PvEing will get away literally 100% of the time as things stand today
I spent most of my time in 0.0 and you are in fact incorrect, there are plenty of circumstances where even if you are watching local you can be caught. I am not going to detail them again as I have already done so in this thread.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
503
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 19:50:12 -
[6742] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:I spent most of my time in 0.0 and you are in fact incorrect, there are plenty of circumstances where even if you are watching local you can be caught. I am not going to detail them again as I have already done so in this thread.
Having lived in null for years, I call bullsh*t. Watch local, watch intel, stay aligned, listen in voicecomms. You will never get caught PvEing |
Lugia3
Tri-gun Escalating Entropy
1515
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 20:01:02 -
[6743] - Quote
Someone at work shouldn't be a tangible threat to someone playing the game.
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
503
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 20:03:49 -
[6744] - Quote
Lugia3 wrote:Someone at work shouldn't be a tangible threat to someone playing the game.
How is someone not at their keyboard a tangible threat? They literally can't attack you because, ya know, they aren't at their keyboard |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2322
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 20:31:57 -
[6745] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I spent most of my time in 0.0 and you are in fact incorrect, there are plenty of circumstances where even if you are watching local you can be caught. I am not going to detail them again as I have already done so in this thread. Having lived in null for years, I call bullsh*t. Watch local, watch intel, stay aligned, listen in voicecomms. You will never get caught PvEing
Don't you just adore absolutes, 100% security and all that, I have seen loads of people get caught in 0.0, I am seriously beginning to doubt you have spent any time in 0.0. My corp was killing mission runners in Stain which is not that easy and we did not see the need to AFK cloaky camp them either. Yes we caught them on system gates but we also caught them in missions, you just need to know what you are doing. It is not easy, but Eve is not supposed to be easy it it?
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
503
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 21:06:29 -
[6746] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Don't you just adore absolutes, 100% security and all that, I have seen loads of people get caught in 0.0, I am seriously beginning to doubt you have spent any time in 0.0. My corp was killing mission runners in Stain which is not that easy and we did not see the need to AFK cloaky camp them either. Yes we caught them on system gates but we also caught them in missions, you just need to know what you are doing. It is not easy, but Eve is not supposed to be easy it it?
If you're pre-aligned to a POS/safe and watching local, you will warp out before even an interceptor gets on grid. The issue is people don't watch local. They watch netflix while AFK ratting/mining.
No, EVE isn't supposed to be easy, so do your PvE in groups, stay on comms and ignore those mean ol' cloaked ships |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2322
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 21:27:20 -
[6747] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Don't you just adore absolutes, 100% security and all that, I have seen loads of people get caught in 0.0, I am seriously beginning to doubt you have spent any time in 0.0. My corp was killing mission runners in Stain which is not that easy and we did not see the need to AFK cloaky camp them either. Yes we caught them on system gates but we also caught them in missions, you just need to know what you are doing. It is not easy, but Eve is not supposed to be easy it it? If you're pre-aligned to a POS/safe and watching local, you will warp out before even an interceptor gets on grid. The issue is people don't watch local. They watch netflix while AFK ratting/mining. No, EVE isn't supposed to be easy, so do your PvE in groups, stay on comms and ignore those mean ol' cloaked ships
Notice that word IF used with pre-aligned, now we are talking, it is not an absolute is it?
And you make the assumption that everyone can be in groups no matter TZ's, hell I was in IRC just before they collapsed against Razor and there was 4k plus characters in the alliance and in certain TZ's, intel did not work and no one would come to save people. Too many people in Eve talk about the perfect situation and expect that is how it is, more mature people understand that not everything can be perfect all the time and those claiming that perfection is the norm are not being honest with themselves or others...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
|
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
503
|
Posted - 2016.08.31 21:31:35 -
[6748] - Quote
Dracvlad wrote:Notice that word IF used with pre-aligned, now we are talking, it is not an absolute is it?
And you make the assumption that everyone can be in groups no matter TZ's, hell I was in IRC just before they collapsed against Razor and there was 4k plus characters in the alliance and in certain TZ's, intel did not work and no one would come to save people. Too many people in Eve talk about the perfect situation and expect that is how it is, more mature people understand that not everything can be perfect all the time and those claiming that perfection is the norm are not being honest with themselves or others...
Finally we're getting somewhere. If you choose to live in null and don't come to save your corp mates/corp mates don't come to save you, if intel doesn't work, then you deserve to have your ship blown up. EVE isn't supposed to be easy. Who just said that two posts back?
We finally hit the heart of the issue, you want to nerf cloaks because you join groups who want to live in null but don't enforce the existing mechanics that keep you safe. Don't call for nerfs because your corp and alliance mates are lazy, be more selective in who you let into your group.
Hell, if I'm logged in and not on comms and in a standing fleet, my own directors would neut me out as a first warning, kill/pod me as a second warning, and kick me from corp after the third time. If you don't like that, stay in HS.
(and I don't mean that disparagingly, not everyone wants an ultra-serious hardcore night of gaming. That's why there are more options than null. HS is specifically designed for a more laid back game play, so take advantage of it and you will never worry about AFK cloaking again
There are many times where I don't feel like talking to anyone, don't want to be on comms, don't want to be alert 100% of the time, so I jump back to HS and mindlessly run L4s or mine. It's relaxing, but if I'm not paying attention 100% of the time, I shouldn't be outside of HS) |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3483
|
Posted - 2016.09.01 01:26:14 -
[6749] - Quote
You don't even need to be pre aligned. Players appear in local before they load grid. They'd have to jump gate and know exactly where to warp to stand a chance of catching a battle ship.
People caught in null are not paying attention or are jumped by a cloaker who's already been in the system a while.
When it comes to playing together in null, things don't have to be perfect but the players who put in more effort and skill should survive more and those that play alone should die more. Nothing says you are entitled to survive in null when you play alone.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
|
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5163
|
Posted - 2016.09.01 05:29:44 -
[6750] - Quote
Daichi Yamato wrote:You don't even need to be pre aligned. Players appear in local before they load grid. They'd have to jump gate and know exactly where to warp to stand a chance of catching a battle ship.
People caught in null are not paying attention or are jumped by a cloaker who's already been in the system a while.
When it comes to playing together in null, things don't have to be perfect but the players who put in more effort and skill should survive more and those that play alone should die more. Nothing says you are entitled to survive in null when you play alone.
Confirmed. There is a definite gap between appearing in local and when you load grid and are able to warp.
Further if there are multiple anomalies, then it is a crap shoot on which anomaly you warp to having your target in it.
If you get caught you were most likely distracted.
Local absolutely provides a "home field" advantage.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 200 300 .. 343 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |