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Limi Etherseed
Star Nation Elemental Tide
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:50:45 -
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Why not fix both? Remove the free intel from local, force people to be on their toes defensively and monitor active scanning to keep themselves safe while at the same time offer a module solution to tracking down someone with a cloaking device? Make it much harder to pin down an actively paying attention cloaker and the attack cloakers still remain reasonably safe.
Ah! Don't shoot me there, I'm a bleeder!
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18214
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Posted - 2016.09.29 19:54:10 -
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Limi Etherseed wrote:Why not fix both? Remove the free intel from local, force people to be on their toes defensively and monitor active scanning to keep themselves safe while at the same time offer a module solution to tracking down someone with a cloaking device? Make it much harder to pin down an actively paying attention cloaker and the attack cloakers still remain reasonably safe.
If you deal with the instant free intel you get from local you also deal with AFK cloaking complaints. They only reason anyone even complains is because these AFK players show up in local. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5282
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:01:26 -
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Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Please tell us how a ship that can't move, can't target, can't shoot and has nobody controlling it damage play?
The risk of hot drop a clock matey boy...
What an AFK ship can light a cyno?!?!?!!?
OMG that is so OP!
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:02:41 -
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baltec1 wrote:Limi Etherseed wrote:Why not fix both? Remove the free intel from local, force people to be on their toes defensively and monitor active scanning to keep themselves safe while at the same time offer a module solution to tracking down someone with a cloaking device? Make it much harder to pin down an actively paying attention cloaker and the attack cloakers still remain reasonably safe. If you deal with the instant free intel you get from local you also deal with AFK cloaking complaints. They only reason anyone even complains is because these AFK players show up in local.
What this means is that they will get easy kills and they won't have to use the AFK approach because it will be easy enough for these losers to kill something with little effort.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:03:43 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Please tell us how a ship that can't move, can't target, can't shoot and has nobody controlling it damage play?
The risk of hot drop a clock matey boy... What an AFK ship can light a cyno?!?!?!!? OMG that is so OP!
How do you know he is not going to uncloak and light a cyno?!?!?!?!?
OMG that is so OP!!!
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5283
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Posted - 2016.09.29 20:36:12 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Please tell us how a ship that can't move, can't target, can't shoot and has nobody controlling it damage play?
The risk of hot drop a clock matey boy... What an AFK ship can light a cyno?!?!?!!? OMG that is so OP! How do you know he is not going to uncloak and light a cyno?!?!?!?!? OMG that is so OP!!!
So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.
Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18216
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:02:42 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.
Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.
He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
623
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:09:55 -
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baltec1 wrote:He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls.
The good news is he said his account expires next week and he isn't re-subbing. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:26:29 -
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baltec1 wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.
Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.
He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls.
LOL, pathetic...
Someone AFK is not doing PvP...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Paranoid Loyd
9604
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Posted - 2016.09.29 21:43:26 -
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Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.
Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.
He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls. LOL, pathetic... Someone AFK is not doing PvP... If it's making you cry about it, it most certainly is.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Bibosikus
Air
207
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Posted - 2016.09.30 00:42:23 -
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pretty simple it should cycle once every 20min. you shouldn't be able to go afk and/or work or otherwise well your character is cloaked. come back and take advantage of the tactical implications you have inflicted. further to this. having a cyno and a cloak should give a small chance of prob detection and random cloak overlaods for all ships but covert ops with covert cynos.
basically the cloak should stay and effective means of warfare for active players. It should not be a " im going to leave this alt in system for 2 weeks till they get use to it then randomly drop on a carrier with a t1 peice of crap. a basic cyno and prototype cloak."
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
623
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Posted - 2016.09.30 00:48:20 -
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Bibosikus wrote:pretty simple it should cycle once every 20min. you shouldn't be able to go afk and/or work or otherwise well your character is cloaked. come back and take advantage of the tactical implications you have inflicted. further to this. having a cyno and a cloak should give a small chance of prob detection and random cloak overlaods for all ships but covert ops with covert cynos.
basically the cloak should stay and effective means of warfare for active players. It should not be a " im going to leave this alt in system for 2 weeks till they get use to it then randomly drop on a carrier with a t1 peice of crap. a basic cyno and prototype cloak."
what tactical implications? someone AFK can by definition not do any harm |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5284
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Posted - 2016.09.30 04:54:10 -
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Bibosikus wrote:pretty simple it should cycle once every 20min.
Why should an ATK player be penalized?
Nope, sorry. ATK players should not be penalized to have an effect on AFK players.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:57:41 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.
Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.
He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls. LOL, pathetic... Someone AFK is not doing PvP... If it's making you cry about it, it most certainly is.
So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18217
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Posted - 2016.09.30 07:11:35 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.
The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 07:47:27 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.
The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system.
So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5285
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Posted - 2016.09.30 07:57:27 -
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Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.
The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system. So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.
Oh for the love of god...
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 08:03:58 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.
The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system. So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills. Oh for the love of god...
God is not going to help you...
Only people who are incapable of hunting with effort are keen on AFK cloaky camping and removing local, it is painful to see just how useless you lot really are...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18219
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Posted - 2016.09.30 08:39:24 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.
Spending two days hunting a vindicator then taking it on in a bomber while outnumbered in the system 16 to 1 is easy?
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 09:12:02 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.
Spending two days hunting a vindicator then taking it on in a bomber while outnumbered in the system 16 to 1 is easy?
Depends on a number of factors, can be easy, can be impossible. But tell me, did you spend most of those two days AFK cloaked in that little bomber of yours while playing other games or doing something else?
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18219
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Posted - 2016.09.30 09:38:42 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
Depends on a number of factors, can be easy, can be impossible. But tell me, did you spend most of those two days AFK cloaked in that little bomber of yours while playing other games or doing something else?
Yes, because that is what is needed to get around the intel given by local.
Again, AFK cloaking is the only counter to local chat. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 10:00:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
Depends on a number of factors, can be easy, can be impossible. But tell me, did you spend most of those two days AFK cloaked in that little bomber of yours while playing other games or doing something else?
Yes, because that is what is needed to get around the intel given by local. Again, AFK cloaking is the only counter to local chat.
Some people can kill stuff without having to use boredom to grind people down...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18219
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Posted - 2016.09.30 10:56:57 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
Some people can kill stuff without having to use boredom to grind people down...
Nobody can get around local chat, hence why AFK cloaking is needed as that is the only counter. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 11:42:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
Some people can kill stuff without having to use boredom to grind people down...
Nobody can get around local chat, hence why AFK cloaking is needed as that is the only counter.
Well instead of testing myself against players I worked out that I was testing myself against **** poor mechanics and lazy useless players, so where is the fun in that for someone who wants to test himself against people with something about them. AFK cloaky camping is just the fallback position of losers.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18219
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Posted - 2016.09.30 11:53:20 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
Well instead of testing myself against players I worked out that I was testing myself against **** poor mechanics and lazy useless players, so where is the fun in that for someone who wants to test himself against people with something about them. AFK cloaky camping is just the fallback position of losers.
You are the one demanding a 100% unavoidable free intel system. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 12:03:32 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
Well instead of testing myself against players I worked out that I was testing myself against **** poor mechanics and lazy useless players, so where is the fun in that for someone who wants to test himself against people with something about them. AFK cloaky camping is just the fallback position of losers.
You are the one demanding a 100% unavoidable free intel system.
AFK cloaky camping is a strategy used by lazy losers.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18219
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Posted - 2016.09.30 12:24:43 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
AFK cloaky camping is a strategy used by lazy losers.
I see you have run out of arguments Mr Trump. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2435
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Posted - 2016.09.30 12:51:11 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
AFK cloaky camping is a strategy used by lazy losers.
I see you have run out of arguments Mr Trump.
Your argument is solely that local is too difficult for you poor little lambs which forces you to AFK cloaky camp while you play World of Tanks while waiting for someone to take a bet that you are off line, elite Eve play my ass, really it is as stark as that, there is no challenge for a player to play against other players here, it is just a rubbish experience. And trying to divert attention away from your own personal failures is typical.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
625
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Posted - 2016.09.30 13:45:17 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Some people can kill stuff without having to use boredom to grind people down...
Some people can earn ISK without risk-free AFK ratting in null with 100% perfect/safe intel. Oh wait, you don't pay attention and don't fleet up when ratting. I forgot.
Given you are quitting EVE, did you just decide to go full blown troll on your way out? The salt coming from your posts could season my food for the next five years. You're going through the forum version of a ragequit. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2784
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Posted - 2016.09.30 14:08:30 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Some people can kill stuff without having to use boredom to grind people down... Some people can earn ISK without risk-free AFK ratting in null with 100% perfect/safe intel. Oh wait, you don't pay attention and don't fleet up when ratting. I forgot. Given you are quitting EVE, did you just decide to go full blown troll on your way out? The salt coming from your posts could season my food for the next five years. You're going through the forum version of a ragequit. Seriously. Dracvlad, you've loudly announced you have given up on this game and are quitting, so why are you wasting your energies on battling people on the internet about a video game you will soon, or already are not playing? Don't get me wrong, it's your subscription and if you want to spend the remainder of it wrangling over changes to a game you will not be around to see, be my guest, but perhaps there is something more constructive and directly useful to you personally that you could spend your time.
Might I suggest spending that time on finding a new game or other pass time to start exploring when you subscription ends? Or if you know what you are going to do with your free time next, you can make your presence felt on their discussion boards. AFK cloaking in Eve is a minor issue, one CCP will eventually get around to addressing but not for a while yet. It is not worth 343 pages of moaning, or the constant salty bickering you have been engaging in over it for days on end.
No one is a "loser" for playing the game by the rules. Maybe those rules could be improved, but there is a reason why things are the way they are and why CCP hasn't moved on this issue in years. They have said they will though, possibly with these upcoming Observatory Arrays, and that should be enough to let it lie for now.
Go and find yourself a new passion you are excited about. There is a whole wide world out there of things to spend your leisure time on other than a video game you are done with.
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