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Funki Ellecon
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:04:58 -
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That would be interesting . I am curious how many supers would die to this just in first week of this being implemented . |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5741
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:23:07 -
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Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:'Hahaha if they're afk they can't hurt you! Afks can't light cynos! Haha I'm so clever! Hahaha hey guys, Eve has sound?!?! Haha oh man I'm hilarious!!'
Either a bunch of people in this thread are actually ******** or are just pretending to be ********.
Like no **** an afk person can't harm you, but how do you know if they're afk or not? Nobody is claiming actual afk capsuleers are hurting anyone. They're talking about how you don't know if they're actually afk or whether they're getting ready to cyno in a legion if bombers on top of you.
If you can't handle that level of risk/uncertainty...why not go back to HS?
Quote:Also, lmfao at the people claiming afk cloakers are just "shattering the illusion of safety that local gives you and adding risk to null", all the while the cloaking ships sit completely invulnerable and safe, cloaked up somewhere in space.
You should probably reconsider calling others ******** or whatever when you clearly want to have it both ways here. If they invulnerable and safe at a safe spot...then so are you while you rat.
Quote:Why can't we have specialized combat probes for scanning down cloaked ships? They can even scan and function slower than normal combat probes. That way the cloaky camper can't just sit in complete safety? Why would that be such a hard system to impliment? That way, the cloaky camper at least has some amount of risk instead of being completely safe.
Because you along with the safety/risk mitigation that local provides this would be unbalanced. There should be a way to counter local...and as bad as it is...it is the cloaking device. For now.
Of course, my hope (and there is some reason to think this is what CCP is working on) is that the observatory array will let you hunt down cloaked ships sitting too long at a safe. But at the same time local will go away and you'll have to rely on the observatory array for intel...something that can be shot/off-lined/and/or/destroyed.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Vic Jefferson
Knights of Poitot Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2017.01.14 03:32:27 -
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Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:Why can't we have specialized combat probes for scanning down cloaked ships? They can even scan and function slower than normal combat probes. That way the cloaky camper can't just sit in complete safety? Why would that be such a hard system to impliment? That way, the cloaky camper at least has some amount of risk instead of being completely safe.
A)This would be a fine solution if local wasn't 100% instant, reliable intel, and equally if not more devoid of risk. If you had to risk something to get intel, then it would make sense that cloaking wasn't quite so 'free' either. Cloaking and Local are equally broken mechanics that combine to make a rather level playing field.
B)If they are camping one system, move to another.
C)Have you ever been counter-dropped? It's like this - in places like Providence, you never have to worry about a counter-drop, as the residents are seldom organized enough or have the sense of unity to actually defend their space. Camping one system is extremely effective, and can shut it down. If you do the same thing to an entity that is organized and committed to their space, you will find a preponderance of bait in your camped system. Actively hunting has a bit of a lower chance of finding deliberate bait.
D)Typically you should try the activity from both sides before decrying it as broken. Have you cloaky camped?
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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Funki Ellecon
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2017.01.14 04:40:39 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:Why can't we have specialized combat probes for scanning down cloaked ships? They can even scan and function slower than normal combat probes. That way the cloaky camper can't just sit in complete safety? Why would that be such a hard system to impliment? That way, the cloaky camper at least has some amount of risk instead of being completely safe. A)This would be a fine solution if local wasn't 100% instant, reliable intel, and equally if not more devoid of risk. If you had to risk something to get intel, then it would make sense that cloaking wasn't quite so 'free' either. Cloaking and Local are equally broken mechanics that combine to make a rather level playing field. B)If they are camping one system, move to another. C)Have you ever been counter-dropped? It's like this - in places like Providence, you never have to worry about a counter-drop, as the residents are seldom organized enough or have the sense of unity to actually defend their space. Camping one system is extremely effective, and can shut it down. If you do the same thing to an entity that is organized and committed to their space, you will find a preponderance of bait in your camped system. Actively hunting has a bit of a lower chance of finding deliberate bait. D)Typically you should try the activity from both sides before decrying it as broken. Have you cloaky camped?
Yes . Also quite often doing active hunting . It was so easy . They tried to bait us but its so hard . If you loose bombers you dont much care . And BO BS can get out so freaking fast . not to mention if 3-4 sins with redeemers jump in target has no cap to tackle you . If you dont kill it instantly
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Beast of Revelations
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.01.14 17:44:22 -
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Funki Ellecon wrote: Cloacky camping . - are you guys kidding me ? why is this still alowed . one person with few accounts can camp whole aliance for months without any effort what so ever . he need just to train Cyno to lvl 1 and cloak lvl 1 . ( and cloack lvl 5 and cyno lvl 5 is not that hard to skill neither . will take how many 3 Skill injectors ? ) . Now you will tell me that we should form defensive fleets . guard the entrances etc . Its significantly harder to keep defensive fleet over multiple systems or constelations then to let some people has sitting in BOs or Bombers somewhere in POS or NPC station .
Solutions are many for example : why Cloak is not taking cap ( stopped cap regen when cloacked ) Overheating the module - so after some time module would need to be repaired . Which would still alow some form of camping . but people would need to made effort not just make safe cloak and sit go sleep etc. Mining , you need to switch roids compress ore , dich ore in containers . Ratting or missions you have to warp arround target rats shoot . everything requires some kind of effort exept this . You sit in sistem on your laptop for example doing nothing . time to time press directionscan and if see something warp to it light cyno kill it and resume again offline camp .
It takes no effort to gate camp in lowsec or nullsec. People can just sit at gates camping for hours, picking their noses, watching youtube videos, eating pizza, whatever.
You'll say "but you can never kill anyone if you never expend effort." Correct. And the cloaky camper you describe can never kill anyone if he never expends effort too.
If you want something done about cloaky campers to make your life much easier, I want something done about gate campers and lots of other types to make my life easier too. |
Funki Ellecon
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2017.01.14 19:29:27 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:Funki Ellecon wrote: Cloacky camping . - are you guys kidding me ? why is this still alowed . one person with few accounts can camp whole aliance for months without any effort what so ever . he need just to train Cyno to lvl 1 and cloak lvl 1 . ( and cloack lvl 5 and cyno lvl 5 is not that hard to skill neither . will take how many 3 Skill injectors ? ) . Now you will tell me that we should form defensive fleets . guard the entrances etc . Its significantly harder to keep defensive fleet over multiple systems or constelations then to let some people has sitting in BOs or Bombers somewhere in POS or NPC station .
Solutions are many for example : why Cloak is not taking cap ( stopped cap regen when cloacked ) Overheating the module - so after some time module would need to be repaired . Which would still alow some form of camping . but people would need to made effort not just make safe cloak and sit go sleep etc. Mining , you need to switch roids compress ore , dich ore in containers . Ratting or missions you have to warp arround target rats shoot . everything requires some kind of effort exept this . You sit in sistem on your laptop for example doing nothing . time to time press directionscan and if see something warp to it light cyno kill it and resume again offline camp .
It takes no effort to gate camp in lowsec or nullsec either. People can just sit at gates camping for hours, picking their noses, watching youtube videos, eating pizza, whatever. You'll say "but you can never kill anyone if you never expend effort." Correct. And the cloaky camper you describe can never kill anyone if he never expends effort too. If you want something done about cloaky campers to make your life much easier, I want something done about gate campers and lots of other types to make my life easier too.
Gate camps are targeted reported and ussually if some PvP entinty in the area goign to dispatch them . They cant leave their computer and go to work/school . And you have no way of knowing how many people they got or what do you need to counter . Gate camps you can just scout it prep for it and thats it . To scout who actually will drop you would mean guard about 40 systems arround your own to see where from they will jump
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5742
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Posted - 2017.01.14 20:38:21 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:Funki Ellecon wrote: Cloacky camping . - are you guys kidding me ? why is this still alowed . one person with few accounts can camp whole aliance for months without any effort what so ever . he need just to train Cyno to lvl 1 and cloak lvl 1 . ( and cloack lvl 5 and cyno lvl 5 is not that hard to skill neither . will take how many 3 Skill injectors ? ) . Now you will tell me that we should form defensive fleets . guard the entrances etc . Its significantly harder to keep defensive fleet over multiple systems or constelations then to let some people has sitting in BOs or Bombers somewhere in POS or NPC station .
Solutions are many for example : why Cloak is not taking cap ( stopped cap regen when cloacked ) Overheating the module - so after some time module would need to be repaired . Which would still alow some form of camping . but people would need to made effort not just make safe cloak and sit go sleep etc. Mining , you need to switch roids compress ore , dich ore in containers . Ratting or missions you have to warp arround target rats shoot . everything requires some kind of effort exept this . You sit in sistem on your laptop for example doing nothing . time to time press directionscan and if see something warp to it light cyno kill it and resume again offline camp .
It takes no effort to gate camp in lowsec or nullsec either. People can just sit at gates camping for hours, picking their noses, watching youtube videos, eating pizza, whatever. You'll say "but you can never kill anyone if you never expend effort." Correct. And the cloaky camper you describe can never kill anyone if he never expends effort too. If you want something done about cloaky campers to make your life much easier, I want something done about gate campers and lots of other types to make my life easier too.
To be fair, the solution to a gate camp is a bigger/better gang. The ideal is a brick tanked cyno ship with some points. Jump into the camp and let them engage you then tackle a few of them and light the cyno. If a ship jumps in that is a BC in gate camps I'm in I always expect a hot drop. Doesn't always happen, but it is common enough for me to be ready to GTFO if I can.
The solution to AFK cloakers is not a direct counter. Just as local and intel channels are not a direct counter to a roaming gang. The are indirect counters and that is part of the game. One must always keep in mind that this game is about emergence and spontaneous order. Sometimes the strategies players use will be direct (shoot them in the face) others will be indirect (use a JF to get around gankers in Uedama or to move high value cargo). This notion that there always has to be a hard counter provided by CCP is literally antithetical to the core nature of the game.
CCP's current apparent strategy for finally addressing cloaky camping is going to disrupt the status quo but in a way that is more in line with the nature of the game. Local is gone as an intel source, and now a structure is introduced to allow for intel, but with choices...which come with trade offs. At the same time the safety of cloaks is reduced and AFK cloaking is no longer a viable strategy. The new strategies that will emerge from this change seem to hold out some hope for more interesting game play than the current process (log in and cloak at a safe and go AFK/see the AFK cloaker in local and either log off or JC to HS to run level 4s).
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18539
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Posted - 2017.01.15 06:52:16 -
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Funki Ellecon wrote:
Gate camps are targeted reported and ussually if some PvP entinty in the area goign to dispatch them. They cant leave their computer and go to work/school . And you have no way of knowing how many people they got or what do you need to counter . Gate camps you can just scout it prep for it and thats it . To scout who actually will drop you would mean guard about 40 systems arround your own to see where from they will jump
You can scout an AFK cloaker too. You have access to one of the largest intel systems in EVE, you can see what the AFK cloaker fly's, how they normally fit, who they fly with and what time they tend to be active. You are also part of an organisation that enjoys dumping supers on solo bombers. You also have a massive network of citadels, stations and POS so getting safe is super easy for you. Your ships are now set up in such a way that often you cant even catch them and if you do a titan host is a click of the button away.
Now you want to take away the only option for operating behind your lines. |
Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
34
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Posted - 2017.01.15 13:06:52 -
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There needs to be some method of detection of cloakers who sit in the same spot afk all day. If you want to camp a system you should be made to be actively camping it, not just leaving your computer on and going to work.
The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and It causes far too much disruption for zero effort by the cloaker. Nothing in this game should be zero effort. |
Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions Hole Control
355
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Posted - 2017.01.15 13:15:19 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:There needs to be some method of detection of cloakers who sit in the same spot afk all day. If you want to camp a system you should be made to be actively camping it, not just leaving your computer on and going to work.
The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and It causes far too much disruption for zero effort by the cloaker. Nothing in this game should be zero effort.
Does that include intel in nullsec?
Wormholer for life.
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Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
37
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Posted - 2017.01.15 15:56:56 -
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Wander Prian wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:There needs to be some method of detection of cloakers who sit in the same spot afk all day. If you want to camp a system you should be made to be actively camping it, not just leaving your computer on and going to work.
The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and It causes far too much disruption for zero effort by the cloaker. Nothing in this game should be zero effort. Does that include intel in nullsec?
If you don't like intel in nullsec, go to wormholes. If you want to afk in null, you should have some risk that comes with that, being afk risk free in enemy space is dumb. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
640
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:02:56 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Wander Prian wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:There needs to be some method of detection of cloakers who sit in the same spot afk all day. If you want to camp a system you should be made to be actively camping it, not just leaving your computer on and going to work.
The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and It causes far too much disruption for zero effort by the cloaker. Nothing in this game should be zero effort. Does that include intel in nullsec? If you don't like intel in nullsec, go to wormholes. If you want to afk in null, you should have some risk that comes with that, being afk risk free in enemy space is dumb. AFK cloaking is a symptom of the real problem which is zero effort intel in the form of local chat. Remove local and afk cloaking will be gone too.
But we both know you can't have that, can you? Can't deal with that risk of someone actually being there. I'm tempted to make afk cloaky alts just to mess with you.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
37
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:13:46 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Wander Prian wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:There needs to be some method of detection of cloakers who sit in the same spot afk all day. If you want to camp a system you should be made to be actively camping it, not just leaving your computer on and going to work.
The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and It causes far too much disruption for zero effort by the cloaker. Nothing in this game should be zero effort. Does that include intel in nullsec? If you don't like intel in nullsec, go to wormholes. If you want to afk in null, you should have some risk that comes with that, being afk risk free in enemy space is dumb. AFK cloaking is a symptom of the real problem which is zero effort intel in the form of local chat. Remove local and afk cloaking will be gone too. But we both know you can't have that, can you? Can't deal with that risk of someone actually being there. I'm tempted to make afk cloaky alts just to mess with you.
So you're saying it's not ok for me to play risk free but it's ok for a cloaky camper to play risk free? You're a hypocrite. Plus I don't even ask to play risk free, I just want campers to have a risk attached with camping....and for some reason you can't handle that. It's you who has no balls, not me. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
640
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:24:58 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:So you're saying it's not ok for me to play risk free but it's ok for a cloaky camper to play risk free? You're a hypocrite. Plus I don't even ask to play risk free, I just want campers to have a risk attached with camping and actually PLAY THE GAME...and for some reason you can't handle that. It's you who has no balls, not me. The camper is only free of risk as long as he's cloaked. He also can't harm anyone while he's cloaked.
Show me on the doll where the afk person has telepathically touched you.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
37
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:31:37 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:So you're saying it's not ok for me to play risk free but it's ok for a cloaky camper to play risk free? You're a hypocrite. Plus I don't even ask to play risk free, I just want campers to have a risk attached with camping and actually PLAY THE GAME...and for some reason you can't handle that. It's you who has no balls, not me. The camper is only free of risk as long as he's cloaked. He also can't harm anyone while he's cloaked. Show me on the doll where the afk person has telepathically touched you.
If you are not intelligent enough to understand that you have to treat a cloaked player as a risk at all times then I have nothing more to say to you. Being able to create the effect of putting your enemy at risk and creating pressure while being completely risk free when you aren't even near your keyboard is STUPID. I have nothing more to say to you. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
640
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:37:34 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:So you're saying it's not ok for me to play risk free but it's ok for a cloaky camper to play risk free? You're a hypocrite. Plus I don't even ask to play risk free, I just want campers to have a risk attached with camping and actually PLAY THE GAME...and for some reason you can't handle that. It's you who has no balls, not me. The camper is only free of risk as long as he's cloaked. He also can't harm anyone while he's cloaked. Show me on the doll where the afk person has telepathically touched you. If you are not intelligent enough to understand that you have to treat a cloaked player as a risk at all times then I have nothing more to say to you. Being able to create the effect of putting your enemy at risk and creating pressure while being completely risk free when you aren't even near your keyboard is STUPID. I have nothing more to say to you. If you must call out my intelligence, I'm the smartest person you'll ever have the pleasure of talking to. That is also why I see and understand the real problem, while you can't even grasp a pathetically simple solution to the symptom you complain about, despite it being spoon-fed to you.
The only reason I keep answering you and your ignorance is because it's quite amusing to watch how hard it triggers you.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
37
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:39:13 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:So you're saying it's not ok for me to play risk free but it's ok for a cloaky camper to play risk free? You're a hypocrite. Plus I don't even ask to play risk free, I just want campers to have a risk attached with camping and actually PLAY THE GAME...and for some reason you can't handle that. It's you who has no balls, not me. The camper is only free of risk as long as he's cloaked. He also can't harm anyone while he's cloaked. Show me on the doll where the afk person has telepathically touched you. If you are not intelligent enough to understand that you have to treat a cloaked player as a risk at all times then I have nothing more to say to you. Being able to create the effect of putting your enemy at risk and creating pressure while being completely risk free when you aren't even near your keyboard is STUPID. I have nothing more to say to you. If you must call out my intelligence, I'm the smartest person you'll ever have the pleasure of talking to. That is also why I see and understand the real problem, while you can't even grasp a pathetically simple solution to the symptom you complain about, despite it being spoon-fed to you. The only reason I keep answering you and your ignorance is because it's quite amusing to watch how hard it triggers you.
But you are not intelligent. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
640
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:41:43 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:So you're saying it's not ok for me to play risk free but it's ok for a cloaky camper to play risk free? You're a hypocrite. Plus I don't even ask to play risk free, I just want campers to have a risk attached with camping and actually PLAY THE GAME...and for some reason you can't handle that. It's you who has no balls, not me. The camper is only free of risk as long as he's cloaked. He also can't harm anyone while he's cloaked. Show me on the doll where the afk person has telepathically touched you. If you are not intelligent enough to understand that you have to treat a cloaked player as a risk at all times then I have nothing more to say to you. Being able to create the effect of putting your enemy at risk and creating pressure while being completely risk free when you aren't even near your keyboard is STUPID. I have nothing more to say to you. If you must call out my intelligence, I'm the smartest person you'll ever have the pleasure of talking to. That is also why I see and understand the real problem, while you can't even grasp a pathetically simple solution to the symptom you complain about, despite it being spoon-fed to you. The only reason I keep answering you and your ignorance is because it's quite amusing to watch how hard it triggers you. But you are not intelligent. My IQ is 178. I seriously doubt yours is above-average.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
37
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Posted - 2017.01.15 16:45:32 -
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Linus Gorp wrote: My IQ is 178. I seriously doubt yours is above-average.
Quoting IQ as a sign of intelligence in 2017 lmao, plus you do not have an IQ that high anyway. I know this from your replies, you can claim you were trying to trigger me all along but we both know that's false. The mere fact you are excusing afk gameplay shows your intelligence level for what it is, 110 IQ at best. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
640
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Posted - 2017.01.15 17:20:14 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: My IQ is 178. I seriously doubt yours is above-average.
Quoting IQ as a sign of intelligence in 2017 lmao, plus you do not have an IQ that high anyway. I know this from your replies, you can claim you were trying to trigger me all along but we both know that's false. The mere fact you are excusing afk gameplay shows your intelligence level for what it is. Read all my posts again and this time use your brain to think about what I actually wrote and not what you want to think that I wrote. I never excused afk gameplay. I'm not even pro-afk-gameplay. That's just what you want to believe to justify your whining responses.
Think about how you treat a disease.. Do you do it by going after the root problem, i.e. the virus, infection, bacteria, ... that's causing the symptoms, or do you just treat the symptoms? Your problem is that you don't understand what the actual problem is and all you want is treat the symptoms of the actual problem. That's not going to fix anything and will only make matters worse down the road.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
43
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Posted - 2017.01.15 17:35:52 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: My IQ is 178. I seriously doubt yours is above-average.
Quoting IQ as a sign of intelligence in 2017 lmao, plus you do not have an IQ that high anyway. I know this from your replies, you can claim you were trying to trigger me all along but we both know that's false. The mere fact you are excusing afk gameplay shows your intelligence level for what it is. Read all my posts again and this time use your brain to think about what I actually wrote and not what you want to think that I wrote. I never excused afk gameplay. I'm not even pro-afk-gameplay. That's just what you want to believe to justify your whining responses. Think about how you treat a disease.. Do you do it by going after the root problem, i.e. the virus, infection, bacteria, ... that's causing the symptoms, or do you just treat the symptoms? Your problem is that you don't understand what the actual problem is and all you want is treat the symptoms of the actual problem. That's not going to fix anything and will only make matters worse down the road.
Blah blah get rid of local problem solved blah blah, except you are changing the way null was intended by doing this.
Not even any need to go to that extent. Just don't allow afking in a system and going to work to be equally as effective as playing the game.
If you want to play all day by camping an enemy system then I'm all for that and welcome it, because you are using your time to do it.
There is a very easy fix, just have a pop up checking to see if you are at your computer once an hour, press yes and you stay cloaked. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
640
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Posted - 2017.01.15 17:43:14 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Blah blah get rid of local problem solved blah blah, except you are changing the way null was intended by doing this.
Not even any need to go to that extent. Just don't allow afking in a system and going to work to be equally as effective as playing the game.
If you want to play all day by camping an enemy system then I'm all for that and welcome it, because you are using your time to do it.
There is a very easy fix, just have a pop up checking to see if you are at your computer once an hour, press yes and you stay cloaked. Well, I give up on you. You're just waaaaaaaaaaaaay too stupid to understand anything at all. I'd suggest you look into a game that's more your intelligence level and leave the grown-ups be.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
43
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Posted - 2017.01.15 17:55:31 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Blah blah get rid of local problem solved blah blah, except you are changing the way null was intended by doing this.
Not even any need to go to that extent. Just don't allow afking in a system and going to work to be equally as effective as playing the game.
If you want to play all day by camping an enemy system then I'm all for that and welcome it, because you are using your time to do it.
There is a very easy fix, just have a pop up checking to see if you are at your computer once an hour, press yes and you stay cloaked. Well, I give up on you. You're just waaaaaaaaaaaaay too stupid to understand anything at all. I'd suggest you look into a game that's more your intelligence level and leave the grown-ups be.
Is that because you ran out of counter arguments and finally realized you were arguing from an idiotic perspective? |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
641
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Posted - 2017.01.15 18:14:40 -
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Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Blah blah get rid of local problem solved blah blah, except you are changing the way null was intended by doing this.
Not even any need to go to that extent. Just don't allow afking in a system and going to work to be equally as effective as playing the game.
If you want to play all day by camping an enemy system then I'm all for that and welcome it, because you are using your time to do it.
There is a very easy fix, just have a pop up checking to see if you are at your computer once an hour, press yes and you stay cloaked. Well, I give up on you. You're just waaaaaaaaaaaaay too stupid to understand anything at all. I'd suggest you look into a game that's more your intelligence level and leave the grown-ups be. Is that because you ran out of counter arguments and finally realized you were arguing from an idiotic perspective? https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
955
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Posted - 2017.01.15 18:24:39 -
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Funki Ellecon wrote:Yes i did . Was living in C5 for about 4 months . Was doing some Dread ratting . Never felt safer to be honest . WH space is pretty much dead . was living out of POS .
dread ratting...so no PvP? that's very different things, and it's only C5-C6s that are broken, for very different reasons than here. PvP out of a C2-C4 and get back to me.
Putting a limit on cloaking will just keep ships out of space. Less targets, more safety for those PvE-ers who make content for everyone else. Why would I support that? |
Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
43
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Posted - 2017.01.15 18:54:09 -
[8696] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Funki Ellecon wrote:Yes i did . Was living in C5 for about 4 months . Was doing some Dread ratting . Never felt safer to be honest . WH space is pretty much dead . was living out of POS . dread ratting...so no PvP? that's very different things, and it's only C5-C6s that are broken, for very different reasons than here. PvP out of a C2-C4 and get back to me. Putting a limit on cloaking will just keep ships out of space. Less targets, more safety for those PvE-ers who make content for everyone else. Why would I support that?
Because you should be playing the game if you want to make an impact, not working or sleeping. |
Caitlynn Askyra
Unity Ventures Apocalypse Now.
43
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Posted - 2017.01.15 18:55:18 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Blah blah get rid of local problem solved blah blah, except you are changing the way null was intended by doing this.
Not even any need to go to that extent. Just don't allow afking in a system and going to work to be equally as effective as playing the game.
If you want to play all day by camping an enemy system then I'm all for that and welcome it, because you are using your time to do it.
There is a very easy fix, just have a pop up checking to see if you are at your computer once an hour, press yes and you stay cloaked. Well, I give up on you. You're just waaaaaaaaaaaaay too stupid to understand anything at all. I'd suggest you look into a game that's more your intelligence level and leave the grown-ups be. Is that because you ran out of counter arguments and finally realized you were arguing from an idiotic perspective? https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif
Still got nothing then I see. Desperately trying to use a GIF to discredit me. You said you were intelligent... |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
641
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Posted - 2017.01.15 20:29:56 -
[8698] - Quote
Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Still got nothing then I see. Desperately trying to use a GIF to discredit me. You said you were intelligent... Okay kiddo.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5742
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Posted - 2017.01.15 20:35:32 -
[8699] - Quote
Caitlynn Askyra wrote:There needs to be some method of detection of cloakers who sit in the same spot afk all day. If you want to camp a system you should be made to be actively camping it, not just leaving your computer on and going to work.
The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and It causes far too much disruption for zero effort by the cloaker. Nothing in this game should be zero effort.
There should be some system in place for players to remove or damage the local (intelligence system) used in NS. You should not have an intel system that is invulnerable to attack. The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and causes much disruption for zero effort by the players using local. Nothing in this came should be zero effort.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5742
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Posted - 2017.01.15 20:36:22 -
[8700] - Quote
Caitlynn Askyra wrote:Wander Prian wrote:Caitlynn Askyra wrote:There needs to be some method of detection of cloakers who sit in the same spot afk all day. If you want to camp a system you should be made to be actively camping it, not just leaving your computer on and going to work.
The problem is how non-interactive this situation is for all parties and It causes far too much disruption for zero effort by the cloaker. Nothing in this game should be zero effort. Does that include intel in nullsec? If you don't like intel in nullsec, go to wormholes. If you want to afk in null, you should have some risk that comes with that, being afk risk free in enemy space is dumb.
Ahh the beauty of the double standard and the hypocrisy of those who wallow in it like pigs in mud.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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