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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:45:18 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Arancar Australis wrote:But thanks for the smile, lad to see you ignored the last part about laughing it off We both know you are actually whining
Try again, oh pixelated one
But if it helps you get through the night you believe that, since most of my posts on this topic have been around acceptance of playing styles. You are the one who brought up about how the big bad scary carebears are wanting to change the game and yet i stated nothin about you stopping the ganking of them.
But we see what we want to believe, so have fun, just like i do in this game
Hmm rebel leader, wonder if that would look good on my resume.
But seriously thanks for the amusement, it's fun sparring with someone who is just as argumentative as i.
Cheers,
AA
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 01:59:44 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: The New Halaima Code of Conduct and James 315's associated manifesto's clearly explain why mining, or hauling, or autopiloting while AFK is bad for Eve. Players who do this are trying to gain something, either assets or time, while expending no effort on their part. This tendency to maximize gain while minimizing effort is the heart of botting.
So, its clear that players who AFK WOULD bot if only the rules allowed it. It is the logical conclusion of someone who wants to make more while doing less. If CCP were to institute some loosening of the rules regarding botting some of those who now just AFK would move towards automation. A little more loosening and more would start down this dark path. Soon the fledgling AFKer has become a hardened, exploitive botter. AFKing is BAD, mkay?
And, with the emergence of the New Order of Highsec, its stupid.
Only an idiot or a completely uneducated newbie OR a highsec miner (but I repeat myself) would think its perfectly OK to undock an expensive but untanked ship, siddle up next to an asteroid or ice block in a public space, start the lasers... and then go do the laundry. And yet they do it ALL DAY LONG. Then, to top things off, when they are educated about their bad decision making process they get hostile and refuse to accept that, "What?!? Someone can shoot my ship? GRIEFER!".
Players need to learn that highsec is as dangerous and as full of killers as any low-sec or null-sec system. In fact, there are probably more in a typical highsec ice belt system than in some random low-sec system. If you AFK in highsec, you WILL be shot. Just because some players have avoided it until now doesn't mean it won't happen tonight... or tomorrow. Look at the CODE. killboard. Its filled with plenty of players who thought they could AFK and get away with it.
Well, they didn't. And neither can you.
BBB
Your points are definitely relevant and appropriate and it is definitely an issue.
But the point is it is that living in highsec...just being their limits your potential income.
This makes the fuel for the null sec wars cheap. If it wasn't then unfortunately they would not be as big...and ergo content limiting. the high sec ores are the foundations of eve ship building and it has to be cheaply available and provided by those who accept mining afk in high sec is going to get them no where fast but hey their washing is getting done.
in truth the Afk miners in particular are selling their commodity for far less then its worth as the ore they sell is well near worthless due to inflation and a waste of time collecting anyway
As for haulers I cannot understand why you would attack them as they have to move one guys tonne of crap to another guys tonne of crap and doing 30+ jumps and hour is not fun yet it is necessary
the main culprit for your anger should be the Null bear botters as the can chip away uninterrupted at highly prized ores under the terrifying reputation of Null sec for massive isk return for little effort
Maybe if gankers were to target the spoils of null bear exploitation then maybe your concerns and the ganker action taken on them would be more respected and valued
Afk is a risk but should be treated as such |
Vector Symian
0 Fear
15
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:06:21 -
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Kaely Tanniss wrote:Vector Symian wrote:Hello it may shock you but I am a pretty active pilot and I don't care about going A.F.K (away from keyboard)
The reasons are fairly straightforward ...
- It is high sec, filled with the pilots who may not have the free time available to hold down a activity/isk quota for one of the alliances. - We are human and I sometimes need to pee...or watch a Game of Thrones episode. - We pay a subscription this is an allocated amount of time in which we may play as we will, or not if we so choose. - Those who grind for plex are guilty for simply being tight with their money and will never succeed at the game any way as it requires making decisions, and having fun with friends (and making contacts) is one of the most important strategies of the game. - A lot of game styles may require days of waiting to be able to do something with out unnecessary loss. - It has created a whole new style of play, preying on those who happily accept the risk of going afk
on counter point their is no issue with freighter ganking, this is based purely on the massive potential income a ganked freighter may possess
Basically if you can get away with it then by all means
I am wondering is their any reason I may of missed?
please discuss freely
Thankyou for reading By all means, feel free to afk anytime..it adds content and target practice for other Eve players. Just don't get angry about it. Every choice comes with consequenses, If you choose to afk in space, you accept that your ship may not be there when you get back.
That is also a relevant point
I fully accept that I could be ganked and never(well their was that one time...in band camp) been angry about it
however a new player may not understand the etiquette In the risk and would take it personally |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
274
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Posted - 2015.01.15 07:21:34 -
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I like to pretend that I am AFK cloaking in nullsec. It always amuses me to watch a station with everyone docked up, afraid to go mine or run sites. Its that local channel. If it wasnt there, they'd be playing the game and having fun. Instead they sit in station and hope that I'll leave. I have lots and lots of patience. Those bears come out eventually. Its all mind games. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
720
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:06:50 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Maybe if gankers were to target the spoils of null bear exploitation then maybe your concerns and the ganker action taken on them would be more respected and valued But my day wouldn't be complete without the soul nourishing screams and tears of exploding highsec carebears. I don't hate them or have an issue with them doing what they chose to do. It's just a lot of fun to see them cry why all their assets go up in flames as their existence is extinguished with the help of my antimatter bullets.
So there... I dared to say it.. is everyone happy now?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Jasmine Deer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:18:13 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Vector Symian wrote:Maybe if gankers were to target the spoils of null bear exploitation then maybe your concerns and the ganker action taken on them would be more respected and valued But my day wouldn't be complete without the soul nourishing screams and tears of exploding highsec carebears. I don't hate them or have an issue with them doing what they chose to do. It's just a lot of fun to see them cry why all their assets go up in flames as their existence is extinguished with the help of my antimatter bullets. So there... I dared to say it.. is everyone happy now?
For sure we can't have exploding null bears whining to the Supreme Council of the Blue Doughnut. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
277
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Posted - 2015.01.15 14:03:01 -
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Jasmine Deer wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Vector Symian wrote:Maybe if gankers were to target the spoils of null bear exploitation then maybe your concerns and the ganker action taken on them would be more respected and valued But my day wouldn't be complete without the soul nourishing screams and tears of exploding highsec carebears. I don't hate them or have an issue with them doing what they chose to do. It's just a lot of fun to see them cry why all their assets go up in flames as their existence is extinguished with the help of my antimatter bullets. So there... I dared to say it.. is everyone happy now? For sure we can't have exploding null bears whining to the Supreme Council of the Blue Doughnut.
They're getting too fat on doughnuts as it is. We have to thin them down by chasing them around. |
Varathius
Blood Fountain Massacre LOADED-DICE
146
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Posted - 2015.01.15 14:17:51 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Hello it may shock you but I am a pretty active pilot and I don't care about going A.F.K (away from keyboard)
The reasons are fairly straightforward ...
- It is high sec, filled with the pilots who may not have the free time available to hold down a activity/isk quota for one of the alliances. - We are human and I sometimes need to pee...or watch a Game of Thrones episode. - We pay a subscription this is an allocated amount of time in which we may play as we will, or not if we so choose. - Those who grind for plex are guilty for simply being tight with their money and will never succeed at the game any way as it requires making decisions, and having fun with friends (and making contacts) is one of the most important strategies of the game. - A lot of game styles may require days of waiting to be able to do something with out unnecessary loss. - It has created a whole new style of play, preying on those who happily accept the risk of going afk
on counter point their is no issue with freighter ganking, this is based purely on the massive potential income a ganked freighter may possess
Basically if you can get away with it then by all means
I am wondering is their any reason I may of missed?
please discuss freely
Thankyou for reading
You will most likely be the safest when players from CODE alliance are online and in your system. Those guys always do the right job to keep the numbers in local balanced. |
Omgitsbears
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.15 14:19:57 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: You lost my interest at 'People grinding for PLEX being guilty of being tight with money' At that point I realise there is probably nothing to discuss with you.
That quote really hit a sore spot with you. |
Imperial Concubine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:54:39 -
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Ganking is a necessary part of gameplay.
It teaches you to fit your ships better.
To become less greedy.
To be aware of your surroundings (who is in system?)
When CODE. enters the system i am in, I mock, taunt and dare them.
Or flee is there are more that 2 LOL. |
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Jasmine Deer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:38:21 -
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Imperial Concubine wrote:Ganking is a necessary part of gameplay.
It teaches you to fit your ships better.
To become less greedy.
To be aware of your surroundings (who is in system?)
Ganking is indeed a part of gameplay. I wish there were more solo and small gang gankers operating in lowsec rather than the usual roams of 10+ that flee at the sight of an opposing force consisting of anything more than 4 ships.
But I take issue with the notion that when it targets people engaged in high sec PvE it should be regarded as a tough-love approach to assisting players.
That is like like saying it is a great to have criminals move into your neighbourhood because it teaches you not to park your car on the street and makes you turn your house into a fortress. It also encourages you to move to a gated community. Null anyone ?
If you want to teach do so in a training corp or start your own. Hang out in the Help channels. Join a new corp and offer to lead roams into lowsec.
Whatever.
Let's just cut the pretence that high sec ganking is there to do us all a favour.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
456
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:52:53 -
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Jasmine Deer wrote: Let's just cut the pretence that high sec ganking is there to do us all a favour.
Highsec ganking is there to make the game more interesting. As was said, it forces you to make decisions on how to fit your ships instead of the max yield/cargo fit you would use all the time if there was no risk.
CCP apears to agree with this as they have repeatedly confirmed that suicide ganking is an intended mechanic in highsec.
So yes, gankers are doing you a favour by making the game more interesting, and exciting to play.
Eve is a game, and is actually made more interesting with increased conflict and destruction, unlike your neighbourhood.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Kaely Tanniss
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
168
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:56:19 -
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Jasmine Deer wrote:Imperial Concubine wrote:Ganking is a necessary part of gameplay.
It teaches you to fit your ships better.
To become less greedy.
To be aware of your surroundings (who is in system?)
Ganking is indeed a part of gameplay. I wish there were more solo and small gang gankers operating in lowsec rather than the usual roams of 10+ that flee at the sight of an opposing force consisting of anything more than 4 ships. But I take issue with the notion that when it targets people engaged in high sec PvE it should be regarded as a tough-love approach to assisting players. That is like like saying it is a great to have criminals move into your neighbourhood because it teaches you not to park your car on the street and makes you turn your house into a fortress. It also encourages you to move to a gated community. Null anyone ? If you want to teach do so in a training corp or start your own. Hang out in the Help channels. Join a new corp and offer to lead roams into lowsec. Whatever. Let's just cut the pretence that high sec ganking is there to do us all a favour.
Eve is a game...and as such has no likeness or comparison to anything rl. Such comparisons are inaccurate...though I do see what you did there. In the end, you log off of the game. What one does in the game is of no reflection or consequence to rl. I will never understand why people make rl comparisons to a virtual, fantasy, make-believe game world.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
19
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Posted - 2015.01.16 00:36:59 -
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I believe that by bringing up the high sec ganking mechanic it will give the new pilots coming into the game a chance to see the conflict in its 3d form/context and this assist new players as to the games reality
I have indicated I have no issue with high sec ganking and brought this thread up to purely give an (somewhat)unbiased view on your options in high sec regarding the Afk protocols
but the majority seem to be in agreement, its up to you
As a game Eve has freer mechanics.This means that tough love is one of the only effective learning options available to those who wish to play this game. Their can be miscommunication somewhat mis-seeded by the gankers that are after the negative emotions that can be triggered by such events. basically their are 2 different types of gankers.
We have those who are genuine about the mechanic and its need and those who have simply transmuted their trolling into a game play aspect I do ot believe this is not ccp approved based on its own rules
Thankyou for the discussion it will be highly informative
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