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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
362
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Posted - 2015.01.18 02:38:41 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Well, it certainly sounds promising - although I would mention that the three highsec trade hubs in that area have ALWAYS been Ichoriya, Onamon and Samanuni, so this hardly represents a dramatic shift in the economic foundations of the war in Black Rise.
In addition to this, as my better half pointed out, fighting from, let's say, Ichoriya as a jumping off point into the warzone proper is a definitely second-best way of prosecuting war patrols, as your points of ingress and egress are bottlenecks that are guarded heavily. You need a Forward Operating Base such as Enaluri before you can really conduct strikes without the kind of punitive losses my analysts are telling me that you've been suffering. Once again, I'm sure I'm not telling you anything that you haven't already worked out.
Given that the majority of Black Rise is languishing under Federation occupation, on second thoughts, perhaps stability shouldn't be our goal. Perhaps you guys ought to be the change we need to believe in.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious on where the foundations of the economy in the Black Rise region are. But I do believe you are presuming a little to much, or somehow think the linchpin of our operations for this initiative revolve around those three systems, or even revolves around the militia conflict.. As stated before, this is simply the beginning stage of the BRSI.
As for your suggestion, it has been noted.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4430
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Posted - 2015.01.18 03:38:18 -
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I've tried wordy, so now I'll try laconic.
Plans for Black Rise that don't involve the Militia Conflict are like plans for burning buildings that don't involve the fire.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
362
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Posted - 2015.01.18 03:59:37 -
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I appreciate your words of wisdom Tuulinen.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3406
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:17:28 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Plans for Black Rise that don't involve the Militia Conflict are like plans for burning buildings that don't involve the fire.
Metaphors that don't make sense are like indicator permanent apples mythifying.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4430
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:18:40 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Plans for Black Rise that don't involve the Militia Conflict are like plans for burning buildings that don't involve the fire.
Metaphors that don't make sense are like indicator permanent apples mythifying.
If the Metaphor makes no sense, only in one scenario is the metaphor at fault.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1139
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Posted - 2015.01.18 08:39:18 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:And you ought to be kinder to the people minding the store while you go on your little vacatiion.
At this point I'd rather lose the store than allow demons to continue profiting off of it.
Quote:Plans for Black Rise that don't involve the Militia Conflict are like plans for burning buildings that don't involve the fire.
If the fire can't be stopped, you have to look for other ways of minimizing the damage it causes. |
Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
141
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Posted - 2015.01.18 09:32:44 -
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An investment of pocket change over six months and a rabble of people to accomplish what I did for well over 12 months on my own is apparently worthy of a announcement these days. Oh Black Rise, what has my jewel become in my absence? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4430
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Posted - 2015.01.18 09:38:17 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:And you ought to be kinder to the people minding the store while you go on your little vacatiion. At this point I'd rather lose the store than allow demons to continue profiting off of it.
It's only when we've gained things by dubious means that we really, truly, understand how having them can make us feel uncomfortable, huh? Mind you, all those souls that can be saved now, eh? One would imagine you'd be frantically attempting to hold the line at this point - especially as companies like ours have little to no vested interest in what happens groundside in our deployment area.
Quote:Plans for Black Rise that don't involve the Militia Conflict are like plans for burning buildings that don't involve the fire.
Samira Kernher wrote:If the fire can't be stopped, you have to look for other ways of minimizing the damage it causes.
And yet, the fire still burns.
Well, Revenent has politely (to his credit) told me that I'll get no more information. I'm not surprised to hear that the solution will lie outside of the arena of fighting the Federation and conquering systems - even the ones that have traditionally been Caldari - since you and I know the amount of work involved in that.
I suppose I'll just have to wait and see what this magic solution is.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1140
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:01:19 -
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For the sake of avoiding dragging this thread down into further pointless argument, I will have nothing more to say with you here, Pieter. |
ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
565
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:31:01 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:And you ought to be kinder to the people minding the store while you go on your little vacatiion. At this point I'd rather lose the store than allow demons to continue profiting off of it.
There are no demons, only people. If you see the demons, not the people then I feel sorry for you. Samira, if you ever want to talk, and see for yourself there are no demons, I will be available to avail your concerns anytime I am in space.
As to the main point, all economic activity is good activity, I hope this brings more development to Black Rise. |
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1285
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:41:21 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:An investment of pocket change over six months and a rabble of people to accomplish what I did for well over 12 months on my own is apparently worthy of a announcement these days. Oh Black Rise, what has my jewel become in my absence?
Well, up until this announcement I was not aware of any prior dedicated economic investments in Black Rise. Very little news from that region reaches the State or other places. In that light, announcement like this are good, attracting attention to the people that there are indeed parties investing into a better economy in this place and that there's opportunities awaiting to be grasped.
But you could turn this into a positive thing, get a Trade cooperation going, see if you can strike some deals with the interested parties regarding trading good & supplying materials for production.
Ishukone-Raata boosts Black Rise economy
Circadian Seekers retaliate!
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Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
142
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:32:44 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:Jurou Yuan wrote:An investment of pocket change over six months and a rabble of people to accomplish what I did for well over 12 months on my own is apparently worthy of a announcement these days. Oh Black Rise, what has my jewel become in my absence? Well, up until this announcement I was not aware of any prior dedicated economic investments in Black Rise. Very little news from that region reaches the State or other places. In that light, announcement like this are good, attracting attention to the people that there are indeed parties investing into a better economy in this place and that there's opportunities awaiting to be grasped. But you could turn this into a positive thing, get a Trade cooperation going, see if you can strike some deals with the interested parties regarding trading good & supplying materials for production.
I could but that wouldn't be any fun now would it? I'm not entirely sure I will return to black rise to be quite honest. There is room at your Arcology though right? |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3406
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Posted - 2015.01.18 14:54:51 -
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I was going to type a serious post, but then I remembered what happens to those in this forum.
If you want some serious straight talk about what's going on here, look for me in person.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Vechtor
DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
23
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Posted - 2015.01.18 15:14:11 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I was going to type a serious post, but then I remembered what happens to those in this forum.
If you want some serious straight talk about what's going on here, look for me in person.
As once an ILF member, and then an I-RED member, and having seen what happens when I-RED or any other entity leading an "economic stability" program anywhere in New Eden suddenly leaves the area and depart somewhere else, what could happen differently this time, for Black Rise?
Economic stability is something a lot bigger than pushing up markets where there are none, as you have obviously learned from what I-RED have unprecedently done in Intaki as a clear example. Economic stability means all aspects of industry and consumption will encounter a stable, thus reliable, environment in order to plan things, develop new projects, build bigger and better outposts and most important of all, predict outcomes.
I'm affraid I-RED is incapable to do it alone as it wasn't in Intaki, or Syndicate, but the sad part of all this is that instead people try to help I-RED in this initiative for the betterment of all, what I keep reading and seeing, as I did read and see with regard to Intaki in the past, is people trying to minimize I-RED's efforts. They don't do anything but when someone says it does, they despise.
I-RED will give up Black Rise sometime in the future and when that happens no legacy will exist as it left no legacy in Intaki or Syndicate. No stability whatsoever. Not because all of your efforts are insuficient but because of capsuleers' incapacity in general.
And Katrina, you keep posting too much agressively around here.... doesn't help.
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Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
143
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Posted - 2015.01.18 16:00:57 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I was going to type a serious post, but then I remembered what happens to those in this forum.
If you want some serious straight talk about what's going on here, look for me in person.
That will be a short talk. |
Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
45
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Posted - 2015.01.18 16:13:48 -
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Vechtor wrote:
I-RED will give up Black Rise sometime in the future and when that happens no legacy will exist as it left no legacy in Intaki or Syndicate. No stability whatsoever. Not because all of your efforts are insuficient but because of capsuleers' incapacity in general.
There are others here willing to take a long-term effort to make sure that I-RED's efforts are not wasted.
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1285
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Posted - 2015.01.18 18:25:49 -
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As some of you heard by now, an I-RED colony in Black Rise suffered a critical reaction failure, wiping it out. Luckily capsuleers rushed to assist after receiving the emergency call. This allowed more then 95% of the colonists to be saved & the retrieval of assets crucial for I-RED (based on their high priority in evacuation)
Despite this, over 4.000 people of the original 145.000 perished in the thermonuclear blast. But it would have been alot worse if it wasn't for the efforts by capsuleers & sacrifices made by their crews.
You can read more about it here: Black Rise colony struck by disaster!
Hopefully, the rescued colonists will receive assistance by I-RED in their search for a new home & job, considering their former home was an I-RED investment.
Disaster strikes Black Rise colony!
Circadian Seekers retaliate!
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4432
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Posted - 2015.01.18 18:43:57 -
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As I've said before, you really cannot skimp when it comes to colonial infrastructure and personnel training. The death of 4000 brave citizens of the State is a tragedy, but the rescue of 141,000 is a triumph and I commend everyone involved.
I can only hope that an investigation is underway into how a perfectly stable technology could have fallen into such dysfunction that it threatened the colony.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
115
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Posted - 2015.01.18 19:13:31 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:As I've said before, you really cannot skimp when it comes to colonial infrastructure and personnel training. The death of 4000 brave citizens of the State is a tragedy, but the rescue of 141,000 is a triumph and I commend everyone involved.
I can only hope that an investigation is underway into how a perfectly stable technology could have fallen into such dysfunction that it threatened the colony.
Sometimes **** just happens, but I'm not gonna get involved in any speculation at this time, as hopefully people will understand.
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3406
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Posted - 2015.01.18 19:58:58 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I can only hope that an investigation is underway into how a perfectly stable technology could have fallen into such dysfunction that it threatened the colony.
Yes, Internal Affairs is investigating. We will release a preliminary report to PR soon enough.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1287
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Posted - 2015.01.18 21:54:53 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I can only hope that an investigation is underway into how a perfectly stable technology could have fallen into such dysfunction that it threatened the colony.
Yes, Internal Affairs is investigating. We will release a preliminary report to PR soon enough.
Don't forget about the freighter that crashed prior to the emergency broadcast. Seems someone is skimping out on maintenance costs.
Will keep an eye on the release of the Internal Affairs report.
Disaster strikes Black Rise colony!
Circadian Seekers retaliate!
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
222
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Posted - 2015.01.19 06:14:46 -
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I will echo my colleague's words and say that a report will be published after details have been finalized.
Gûê Ch+½j+ì Korsavius
Gûê (RDC) Intelligence Officer
Gûê [I-RED] Director of Human Resources
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
135
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Posted - 2015.01.19 07:38:02 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:And you ought to be kinder to the people minding the store while you go on your little vacatiion. At this point I'd rather lose the store than allow demons to continue profiting off of it.
Not that I mind seeing the enemy scramble away from the warzone, but I do have to wonder what your intent and goal was if that is PIE's outlook on these matters. The warzone is currently comprised almost entirely of blooders, sansha, various unaligned pirates, some angels and other opportunists. Is that the intent of the great Praetoria? Fight for territory and abandon it to scum?
Does it rankle, I wonder? Knowing that every bit of progress was owed largely to monsters and outsiders? Every victory owed to those who would perform acts of blood sacrifice worse than anything your Nauplius has ever done? That the continued war is waged by those who are for all intents and purpose anathema to your own faith, cause and ways?
Perhaps it is shame that sends you to the State to try and do something good, rather than drowning in the waves of your less than righteous 24th compatriots.
It does not really matter, in the end. We will be here for when you return, or perhaps when we meet again it will be in your homes. Until then, my quite sincere well wishes in being I-RED's subordinates. They are quite a bit more likely to use you for a good cause, at least. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1141
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Posted - 2015.01.19 08:29:42 -
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Yes, Del'thul. It rankles.
As for helping the State, it's because I believe in supporting allies. That's what you do when you're in an alliance. I don't see why there is continued commentary about this. The state of the southern warzone is at a point where attention can be afforded elsewhere. The TLF collapsed on itself, and all of Amarr's pre-war territory remains in our control, which is what is the important thing. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1551
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Posted - 2015.01.19 13:22:29 -
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ADVISORY to State Citizens and Protectorate Pilots.
Please maintain vigilance in presence of I-RED pilots, as they seem reluctant removing disgraceful elements like Makoto Priano from their ranks and has been known as alliance, whose words often mismatch with their deeds.
Report any suspicious I-RED activity to your superior officers and stay safe.
- D. Kim, Strike Cmdr. |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
319
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Posted - 2015.01.19 13:38:04 -
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Tedious, even for you, Kim. |
Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
45
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:12:36 -
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Allow me to express our deepest condolences.
We were able to dispatch a rescue ship, though we received the alert too late than to be more than a back-up presence.
It goes without saying, if there is any additional assistance needed, please do not hesitate to call.
I look forward to hearing the results of the investigation.
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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