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Rein Chelien
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.19 17:33:17 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps. The OP was in a corp in Nullsec. You seem to be so hellbent on pushing your personal agenda that you don't even bother to read what the thread is about. OP was in a war and got blown up in highsec. If you fly in highsec....don't be in a real player corp. It's so simple that even you should be able to grasp it.
Nice attitude there: it's the game mechanics that made me do it!
If you don't want to be blown up, EVE is the wrong game for you. Besides, there are worse things than getting blown up.
Paying tax to the NPC corp will really add up over time and the only utility that comes from it is protection from wardeccing. Instead of occasionally taking a loss while under a wardec (maybe) you're taking a loss continually in taxes. Do the math.
It's not particularly difficult to deal with wardecs: Surviving Wardecs.
Seriously, Veers just wants you to ignore highsec corps because that way his CODE main has an easier target. |
Whittorical Quandary
The Asteroid is Depleted
13
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Posted - 2015.01.19 18:36:56 -
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I'ts definitely about balancing risk/reward, generally if i take too many losses with a wardec corp that takes pride in hunting ppl downwherever they're at, i'll drop corp for a week to regain losses then jump back when wardec is over.
Depending on what you do in game and how risky it is to wardec's, taxes may or may not be worth taking. (IE if you do hs mission running and are wardec'd every other week, then taxes are worth it, but if you do indy and use a neut alt for trade hubs and transport, it can be a non issue.)
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
-Douglas Adams
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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
92
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Posted - 2015.01.19 22:08:24 -
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"In the depths of the Nullsec universe, Light years from the bad PvE, Ensures that the wardecced corporates calls, When there are no longer able, To find a solution to their first world problems, When there is no longer any hope, Forum PvP"
Capitaine Flam / Captain Future lyrics revisited |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
440
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:11:46 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:
You honestly think you can speak for CCP? Give me a single piece of CCP documentation which states any slight hint at all to this, Otherwise stop spouting absolute ****
First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way."
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf
This was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research.
I am happy to accept your apology, sir.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
440
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:12:59 -
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Rein Chelien wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps. The OP was in a corp in Nullsec. You seem to be so hellbent on pushing your personal agenda that you don't even bother to read what the thread is about. OP was in a war and got blown up in highsec. If you fly in highsec....don't be in a real player corp. It's so simple that even you should be able to grasp it. Nice attitude there: it's the game mechanics that made me do it! If you don't want to be blown up, EVE is the wrong game for you. Besides, there are worse things than getting blown up. Paying tax to the NPC corp will really add up over time and the only utility that comes from it is protection from wardeccing. Instead of occasionally taking a loss while under a wardec (maybe) you're taking a loss continually in taxes. Do the math. It's not particularly difficult to deal with wardecs: Surviving Wardecs. Seriously, Veers just wants you to ignore highsec corps because that way his CODE main has an easier target.
You can easily avoid the taxes by just rolling a 1 man corp in the face of wardeccs. I do this...no taxes and no wars...it is currently the optimal highsec pve setup...and that shows broken mechanics.
I have no main in code and have never suicide ganked anyone. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2015.01.20 03:02:45 -
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to the OP, if they're still around......
That Navy Megathron you lost should be able to deal with some very lucrative 0.0 combat anomalies. I don't see why you need to move to hisec when the ISK making opportunities in 0.0 are so much more lucrative. You'd also have had access to the local Intel channels to keep yourself informed of neutral and enemy ship movements in your local area.
We both seem to have started EVE at around the same time. Now, I'll grant you I took a rather obtuse route to ISK making when I first started (see my sig) so mission running has never really been something I've "needed" to do. You also seem to have found yourself in a corp that just isn't suited to you. That's not a reflection on you or on that corp, just a simple statement of the facts as I understand them.
I would suggest you earn yourself a little ISK and then go join RvB. A billion ISK will keep you happily stocked up with T1 Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers to play RvB shenanigans with for at least six months (they have some really great corp contracts up where you can pick up a 5-pack of fitted and rigged Atrons for under ISK10m). A few months in RvB will teach you more about small gang PvP than you could learn in 0.0 in a year. RvB also has a very good FC program and they pay FCs in RvB Loyalty Points, which are also exceedingly lucrative (FC for a couple of hours, buy a Dramiel!). When you run out of ISK, drop corp, run some more missions or whatever then join back up again (you can jump from Red Federation (Elmos!) to the Blue Republic (Smurfs!), it really doesn't matter).
Bottom line here is: you took a blingy faction battleship, which you must be struggling to fly well, into an area where you were highly likely to get attacked (hisec is more dangerous than 0.0). That's no-one's fault but yours and yours alone.
I'm also a six-month old newbie (well, my main is) who is climbing that giant festering mountain of "fitting skills". The biggest ship I've ever sat in is a Celestis and my most used ships are the Harpy, Algos, Maulus and Keres.
Resident Newbie at: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Catalytic morphisis
Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion.
80
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Posted - 2015.01.20 08:07:02 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Catalytic morphisis wrote:
You honestly think you can speak for CCP? Give me a single piece of CCP documentation which states any slight hint at all to this, Otherwise stop spouting absolute ****
First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way." http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf This was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research. I am happy to accept your apology, sir.
I'll agree the Awoxxing was something that made Player corps less attractive, However this is sorted now, But as far as war dec's go, they're not such an evil thing, if anything they might add an opportunity for people to actually have a go at something other than shooting Red Crosses.
Honestly if people are playing this game simply for PvE and single player then they're wasting their subscription.
Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
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Rein Chelien
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
29
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:43:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Catalytic morphisis wrote:
You honestly think you can speak for CCP? Give me a single piece of CCP documentation which states any slight hint at all to this, Otherwise stop spouting absolute ****
First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way." http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf This was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research.
Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here:
- When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players.
Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers? |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
866
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:48:40 -
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Rein Chelien wrote: Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here:
- When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players.
Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers?
No, he doesn't believe in it. He thinks he should be allowed to make isk safely without risk or consequence. He thinks that CCP should be responsible for the safety of his and every carebears ship.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
866
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:49:48 -
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To the OP: I'm not reading your whole post. It's a rant, nothing more. War decs are a thing. Get used to it. Adapt or die.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Kane Ceres
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:03:12 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Rein Chelien wrote: Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here:
- When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players.
Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers?
No, he doesn't believe in it. He thinks he should be allowed to make isk safely without risk or consequence. He thinks that CCP should be responsible for the safety of his and every carebears ship.
They should make creating a corp cost more than a one week war dec. At least that way it would cost the war dec evaders like Veers actually have to pay a little cash when they are trying to hide from PVP. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
440
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Posted - 2015.01.21 05:43:40 -
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Rein Chelien wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Catalytic morphisis wrote:
You honestly think you can speak for CCP? Give me a single piece of CCP documentation which states any slight hint at all to this, Otherwise stop spouting absolute ****
First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way." http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdfThis was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research. Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here: - When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers?
Why on earth would I stay in a wardecc? If I wanted PvP I'd go to lowsec.
All your decc stuff is cute, but fundamentally a lot of people in highsec don't want to engage in PvP. They are there to make isk doing collaborative PvE. And all the wardecc mechanics do is get them to sit in 1 man or NPC corps, which causes even less social interaction. The system is hopelessly broken...and highsec wars are a complete failure.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
440
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Posted - 2015.01.21 05:45:23 -
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Kane Ceres wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Rein Chelien wrote: Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here:
- When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players.
Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers?
No, he doesn't believe in it. He thinks he should be allowed to make isk safely without risk or consequence. He thinks that CCP should be responsible for the safety of his and every carebears ship. They should make creating a corp cost more than a one week war dec. At least that way it would cost the war dec evaders like Veers actually have to pay a little cash when they are trying to hide from PVP.
And then what? People would just do a cost benefit analysis...and if the cost of rolling corps got high enough they would just eat the 11% npc corp taxes. Big accomplishment. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
56
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:54:24 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Why on earth would I stay in a wardecc? If I wanted PvP I'd go to lowsec.
All your decc stuff is cute, but fundamentally a lot of people in highsec don't want to engage in PvP. They are there to make isk doing collaborative PvE. And all the wardecc mechanics do is get them to sit in 1 man or NPC corps, which causes even less social interaction. The system is hopelessly broken...and highsec wars are a complete failure.
Why on earth are you staying in Eve online? If you wanted to PVE without any risk of PVP, ever, you should go to Star Trek Online.
The fact of the matter is, it doesnt matter if you want to PVP or not. Eve isnt a game where, if you choose to, you can do something in 100% safety without any risk whatsoever that you will be destroyed or have your day ruined by another player. If you want a pure PVE experience, I suggest you play Star trek online or WoW PVE server or something. Otherwise, sorry, but this is Eve.
I understand that a lot of people dont want to engage in hisec PVP. But what they want or dont want, has no impact on what will actually be the case.
And even if we ignore the fact that sitting in an NPC corp or one man corp does not prevent you from social interaction, at all, and never has or will be, as people can be friends and fleet up together while belonging to completely different corporations, and that this is the entire reason why we can set players and corporations to blue standing, so that you can interact with other people who belong in completely different corps, this is the price of a player owned corp. There are both risks and rewards to being in a player owned corp. You dont really seem to understand the core mechanics of EVE. Everything that provides benefit and is worth doing, also provides risk. Player owned corporations provide many benefits, but also a proportionate amount of risk is attached to it. Wardecs are part of that.
You want to be able to set taxes to 0% so that you get all the profit from your endeavors? You want to set up Mining Poses to make more isk? you want to be able to move isk and distribute isk and ships/modules with greater ease? Join/create your own player corp. But with that ease, with that reliability, increased profit, etc, comes risks. |
Whittorical Quandary
The Asteroid is Depleted
14
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Posted - 2015.01.23 22:29:09 -
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I was looking at some of the mass wardec corps' war summaries recently and it seems that one of the biggest problems may be that non combat industry players and corps do little to no pvp, rarely even attempt it. (I am guilty of this)
If a few players from each corp in the 30+ corps that are wardec'd were to pvp, i think griefdecs would not be near as prevalent as it would be an acutual risk to fight in each one. If you look at the kills in each war, it can easily be a ratio of 500mil-1+bil industry/mission ships (0 pvp ships) destroyed by wardec corp vs 0 destroyed ships of the defender.
I feel that there is a great need to bring more indy players into the pvp arena. How things are now, i don't see anything changing.
For me, if it were faster to switch jump clones (ie: 12 hour base timer) i would be much more drawn to pvp as my main issue is the amount of indy/skill implants i have and the 20+ hour wait forces me to be stuck doing one role or the other for a day and a half, when i really just want to do icombat on occasion. The recent clone upgrade change does make it more appealing. (or you can berate me and at some point i will eventually just "do it" XD )
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
-Douglas Adams
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
216
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:01:12 -
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Whittorical Quandary wrote: If a few players from each corp in the 30+ corps that are wardec'd were to pvp, i think griefdecs would not be near as prevalent as it would be an acutual risk to fight in each one. If you look at the kills in each war, it can easily be a ratio of 500mil-1+bil industry/mission ships (0 pvp ships) destroyed by wardec corp vs 0 destroyed ships of the defender.
I feel that there is a great need to bring more indy players into the pvp arena. How things are now, i don't see anything changing.
Actually, what you described is exactly how a lot of industry players end moving up to corporations in nullsec and wormholes, which tends to happen as soon as they begin to learn more about the game. Very few have any reason to stay in the corp they are in when they first get a taste of blood. Instead, they graduate from highsec. The real reason why no one fights in these corporations is that everyone who learns to fight leaves them very quickly.
The real problem in your scenario is either how to keep these people in the highsec industry corps they emerge from, or how to catalyze more players to emerge from their conflict-avoiding shells.
I don't think the players who learn to fight should be kept in highsec corporations, except as educators for highsec carebear larvae who have not yet pupated and flown away as beautiful EVE playing butterflies. |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
39
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Posted - 2015.01.24 02:35:52 -
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You're mad you lost one ship to Marmite?
Do you know how many Asteros and pods I lost to them?
Don't fly a 2/3 billion ISK ship that will bankrupt you in a single shot! Why not jump in a 30m bomber and go cause some chaos instead?
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Posadas
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.02.21 21:38:20 -
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J'Poll wrote:[quote=Posadas][quote=Darian Frost]
So, in 6 months, we will see you again, crying about the next thing as you still have little knowledge about the game.
No you won't.
This game is ****. I'm done, you're welcome to it.
I had more fun in the 2 days I spent smashing all my ships to pieces for lulz than I did in the 6months or so I had playing the game for real before it.
That's a sign of a broken game.
Anyone who things otherwise is kidding themselves.
Anyone interested in buying this character off me at a very very cheap price PM me and we'll work something out. |
Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
410
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Posted - 2015.02.21 21:43:23 -
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Posadas wrote:This game is ****. I'm done, you're welcome to it.
Any stuff left? Can I have it please?
[edit] I am also currently at war with marmite maybe I can get them back for you? |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
168
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Posted - 2015.02.21 22:36:52 -
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Posadas wrote:
No you won't.
This game is ****. I'm done, you're welcome to it.
I had more fun in the 2 days I spent smashing all my ships to pieces for lulz than I did in the 6months or so I had playing the game for real before it.
That's a sign of a broken game.
Anyone who things otherwise is kidding themselves.
Anyone interested in buying this character off me at a very very cheap price PM me and we'll work something out.
The game isnt broken. Your common sense, is. If you enjoyed the past 2 days smashing your ships, maybe its a sign that you shouldve been out there PVPing, smashing other peoples ships as well as your own, instead of PVEing all day pew pewing NPC ships and safely warping off with no consequences and lose a megathron to a wardec in the most idiotic way possible.
You played the game in a way that you thought was boring and a sh*tty experience, while ending up having fun playing the game in a different way. And now that youve found a way to enjoy the game, youre leaving because youre not enjoying the game anymore.
The game wasnt broken.
You were. |
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
730
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Posted - 2015.02.21 22:50:15 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Rein Chelien wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Catalytic morphisis wrote:
You honestly think you can speak for CCP? Give me a single piece of CCP documentation which states any slight hint at all to this, Otherwise stop spouting absolute ****
First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way." http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf This was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research. Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here: - When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell. - Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources. - When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. - When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players. Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers? Why on earth would I stay in a wardecc?
Because you came to play this game for the right reasons rather than coming here and demanding that your man-baby mentality is catered to?
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
313
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:09:48 -
[172] - Quote
Posadas wrote:I had more fun in the 2 days I spent smashing all my ships to pieces for lulz than I did in the 6months or so I had playing the game for real before it. You finally get it then. Destroying ships is the fun part of EVE.
~ Bookmarks in overview
~ Fleet improvements
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23054
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:56:02 -
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Posadas wrote:No you won't.
This game is ****. I'm done, you're welcome to it.
I had more fun in the 2 days I spent smashing all my ships to pieces for lulz than I did in the 6months or so I had playing the game for real before it.
That's a sign of a broken game.
Anyone who things otherwise is kidding themselves. Nope, just because you don't find a game to be fun doesn't mean it's broken.
Quote:Anyone interested in buying this character off me at a very very cheap price PM me and we'll work something out. You should give it away, you can only sell it for isk and as you're buggering off anyway that'll be no use to you; not that anybody would want it anyway, the stench of butthurt tends to linger for a long long time.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Charlie Jacobson
303
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:13:03 -
[174] - Quote
Hey, I remember this thread. Good times. Well done necroing it, Posadas.
I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
203
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Posted - 2015.02.22 05:26:07 -
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Posadas wrote:J'Poll wrote:[quote=Posadas][quote=Darian Frost]
So, in 6 months, we will see you again, crying about the next thing as you still have little knowledge about the game.
No you won't. This game is ****. I'm done, you're welcome to it. I had more fun in the 2 days I spent smashing all my ships to pieces for lulz than I did in the 6months or so I had playing the game for real before it. That's a sign of a broken game. Anyone who things otherwise is kidding themselves. Anyone interested in buying this character off me at a very very cheap price PM me and we'll work something out. Since you are leaving and have no need for the isk anyway, how about you just give it away or barring that, biomass. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
525
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Posted - 2015.02.22 07:41:58 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
They really are not. How are you determining this? Whatever your sample size is it is small when compared to the amount of wardecs that occur in highsec.
There are In fact corps in highsec that brawl with other highsec corps for resources. It happens more often than you may think. There are other uses too like wormhole corps that wardec each other to limit their ability to restock and organize through highsec.
Not sure what you are trying to say. Are there people who want to PvP in highsec? Sure. But there are masses of people who have no interest in that, and there is no reason for game mechanics to force them into it through broken and one sided wars. |
Aldeskwatso
Highsec Heroes Indecent Exposure Alliance
49
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Posted - 2015.02.22 11:55:24 -
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Posadas wrote:my point is how come the game forces people to engage in this tedious grind of hi-sec mission running for ISK, standing, etc but then also includes a mechanic which means that Wardeccers can destroy you whilst you do this unwelcome grind on a total whim?
This is what it boils down to.
You don't seem to know how to bank the activities you want to engage in or what it takes to do this. As a result you grind ISK for a while, get the **** you think you need in order to do what you want, then lose it all again and go back to grinding ISK. It's one way of going about your business but ya, it kinda sucks imo.
Most people I know at least do 1 of 3 things. Fund themselves with selling PLEX on the market. Have an industry/trade/pi alt that covers generating income for their main. Between ops etc. kill rats, run complexes and sites etc.
Add to these maintaining a buffer to cover losses and not fly what you can't afford to lose and you be golden. Done right you can be building up billions a month.
Instead of blaming the game you should really blame yourself and your corp for not teaching you. But since you mostly focus on the negative and what they do wrong I suspect you are mostly to blame.
Find a small corp willing to teach you these things and you'll be back on your feet in no time.
The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:49:28 -
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OP contact me in game and I will give you some advice and help.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2015.02.22 18:15:26 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
They really are not. How are you determining this? Whatever your sample size is it is small when compared to the amount of wardecs that occur in highsec.
There are In fact corps in highsec that brawl with other highsec corps for resources. It happens more often than you may think. There are other uses too like wormhole corps that wardec each other to limit their ability to restock and organize through highsec.
Not sure what you are trying to say. Are there people who want to PvP in highsec? Sure. But there are masses of people who have no interest in that, and there is no reason for game mechanics to force them into it through broken and one sided wars.
Sooo...people want to play a PvP based game without being forced to engage in PvP? That's one of the most moronic arguments I've seen in a while.
By the way, are you the pastey guy that wears funny hats? |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.02.22 18:38:38 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Sooo...people want to play a PvP based game without being forced to engage in PvP? That's one of the most moronic arguments I've seen in a while.
By the way, are you the pastey guy that wears funny hats?
People who CHOOSE to play in highsec, where ILLEGAL aggression is met with a law enforcement response, are looking to enjoy the PvE part of Eve, and not engage in direct ship to ship combat. If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC. Fact is a lot of our "elite PvP" players fear actual low/null PvP, and just want an easy slaughter of PvE players.
And not, I'm not pastey, nor do I wear hats. |
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