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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.02.22 22:11:46 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Sooo...people want to play a PvP based game without being forced to engage in PvP? That's one of the most moronic arguments I've seen in a while.
By the way, are you the pastey guy that wears funny hats?
People who CHOOSE to play in highsec, where ILLEGAL aggression is met with a law enforcement response, are looking to enjoy the PvE part of Eve, and not engage in direct ship to ship combat. If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC. Fact is a lot of our "elite PvP" players fear actual low/null PvP, and just want an easy slaughter of PvE players. And not, I'm not pastey, nor do I wear hats.
CCP has accepted Ganking as a valid game mechanic, therefore whether players are only looking to enjoy the PVE part of Eve, they can still have PVP forced upon them. |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2015.02.22 22:56:26 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC
Why? |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
169
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Posted - 2015.02.22 23:22:03 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC Why?
Because some people want this game to have purely single player aspects. I mean, all the other great MMOs have it, like Star trek Online, or World of Warcraft, or hello kitty island adventure. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
526
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Posted - 2015.02.22 23:42:19 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC Why?
Because CCP created different parts of the game for different styles of gameplay. Nullsec was created for those who want consequence free PvP. Highsec was created for those who want law & order, a police force, and a civilized society. Why does the entire game need to revolve around your desire for consequence free pew pew? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4714
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:07:22 -
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Rookie systems are the area CCP created to insulate people from player predators. They make up about 1% of highsec.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
526
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:10:31 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Rookie systems are the area CCP created to insulate people from player predators. They make up about 1% of highsec.
Confirming that CONCORD and faction police are restricted to rookie systems.
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Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:17:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Rookie systems are the area CCP created to insulate people from player predators. They make up about 1% of highsec. Confirming that CONCORD and faction police are restricted to rookie systems. Can you please stop pretending that CCP intends for highsec to be a PvP-free zone? It isn't good trolling.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
526
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:38:51 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Rookie systems are the area CCP created to insulate people from player predators. They make up about 1% of highsec. Confirming that CONCORD and faction police are restricted to rookie systems. Can you please stop pretending that CCP intends for highsec to be a PvP-free zone? It isn't good trolling.
PvP free? No. Significantly PvP restricted with serious consequences for law breaks and infallible space police who vaporize all criminals without fail in the span of 5-25 seconds? Absolutely. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
730
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:51:54 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Sooo...people want to play a PvP based game without being forced to engage in PvP? That's one of the most moronic arguments I've seen in a while.
By the way, are you the pastey guy that wears funny hats?
People who CHOOSE to play in highsec, where ILLEGAL aggression is met with a law enforcement response, are looking to enjoy the PvE part of Eve, and not engage in direct ship to ship combat. If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC. Fact is a lot of our "elite PvP" players fear actual low/null PvP, and just want an easy slaughter of PvE players. And not, I'm not pastey, nor do I wear hats.
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
If you want a safer High Sec then the rewards should be nerfed accordingly as well as the removal of level 4 missions. Deal? |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
526
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Posted - 2015.02.23 00:57:22 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
Real mature...lemme guess...you are affiliated with CODE?
And there certainly is PvE in Eve. The fact that you can make isk killing rats doesn't make that PvP anymore than working at Mcdonalds for minimum wage is a form of PvP against everyone else in the world. The fact that someone can come and commit a crime against you doesn't change the fact that your activity is against the computer program, and not against other live players. Until a third party intervenes you shooting rats is 100% PvE, as it should be - some of us play Eve for that, not for the pew pew. Deal with it. |
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
730
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Posted - 2015.02.23 01:16:45 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
Real mature...lemme guess...you are affiliated with CODE? And there certainly is PvE in Eve. The fact that you can make isk killing rats doesn't make that PvP anymore than working at Mcdonalds for minimum wage is a form of PvP against everyone else in the world. The fact that someone can come and commit a crime against you doesn't change the fact that your activity is against the computer program, and not against other live players. Until a third party intervenes you shooting rats is 100% PvE, as it should be - some of us play Eve for that, not for the pew pew. Deal with it.
Did you just use McDonalds as a real life example of EvE pvp? So you work at McDonalds...please continue.
Did you also know an anagram for your name is Braver Elves (maybe a subconscious hint that you should change your man-baby mentality). |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
526
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Posted - 2015.02.23 01:27:07 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
Real mature...lemme guess...you are affiliated with CODE? And there certainly is PvE in Eve. The fact that you can make isk killing rats doesn't make that PvP anymore than working at Mcdonalds for minimum wage is a form of PvP against everyone else in the world. The fact that someone can come and commit a crime against you doesn't change the fact that your activity is against the computer program, and not against other live players. Until a third party intervenes you shooting rats is 100% PvE, as it should be - some of us play Eve for that, not for the pew pew. Deal with it. Did you just use McDonalds as a real life example of EvE pvp? So you work at McDonalds...please continue. Did you also know an anagram for your name is Braver Elves (maybe a subconscious hint that you should change your man-baby mentality).
I was trying to demonstrate to you that activities that have an unintended incidental impact on other people are not properly classified as "PvP." You didn't get it.
And I'm the bravest man you will ever meet. Bravery is standing firm on your principles, and practicing stoic self control...not pew pewing pathetic miners and haulers in highsec. |
Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2015.02.23 04:04:51 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Bravery is standing firm on your principles, and practicing stoic self control...not pew pewing pathetic miners and haulers in highsec. But standing firm on principles and stoic self-control are the bread and butter of what motivates a CODE ganker and their allies. You might say they are adhering very strictly to a... code.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2015.02.23 06:27:39 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I was trying to demonstrate to you that activities that have an unintended incidental impact on other people are not properly classified as "PvP." You didn't get it.
There are many forms of PvP in EvE whether you recognise them or not. It does not change the fact that PvP is a core aspect of the game, in all space, as intended by CCP.
Also I don't think the players engaging in these so-called cowardly activities you speak of really care whether you approve or not. Perhaps crying about it a bit louder might make people listen?
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
195
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Posted - 2015.02.23 09:37:58 -
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erm...you cant make isk in nullsec?
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
195
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Posted - 2015.02.23 09:44:52 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC Why? Because some people want this game to have purely single player aspects. I mean, all the other great MMOs have it, like Star trek Online, or World of Warcraft, or hello kitty island adventure.
whats actually the single player game? is it the mission runners and miners or is it actually the gankers and wardeccers who chose to fight people who cant defend themselves? i mean shooting something without guns is like a miner shooting a rock, and a ganker does just as much pve as a mission runner.
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Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2015.02.23 11:09:32 -
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Posadas wrote:J'Poll wrote:[quote=Posadas][quote=Darian Frost]
So, in 6 months, we will see you again, crying about the next thing as you still have little knowledge about the game.
No you won't. This game is ****. I'm done, you're welcome to it. I had more fun in the 2 days I spent smashing all my ships to pieces for lulz than I did in the 6months or so I had playing the game for real before it. That's a sign of a broken game. Anyone who things otherwise is kidding themselves. Anyone interested in buying this character off me at a very very cheap price PM me and we'll work something out.
Congratulations. Go back to wow and have fun there.
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Renius
TEMPLAR. The Initiative.
35
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:57:59 -
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I cant believe this has gone on for 10 pages!
If this guy was as active in game as he has been during this forum rant he may have had more success in New Eden
The long and short of his rant is that his real life friend was banned for a short period of time so he lost his mentor and was unwilling to engage with the remainder of the Corp.
If he had even bothered to log on or join voice comms he would have still been enjoying EVE.
Cry me a river.
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Chocolate Mooses
The Conference Elite CODE.
20
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Posted - 2015.02.23 14:03:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Because CCP created different parts of the game for different styles of gameplay. Nullsec was created for those who want consequence free PvP. Highsec was created for those who want law & order, a police force, and a civilized society. Why does the entire game need to revolve around your desire for consequence free pew pew?
wait, wut? please show us some dev posts and quotes that show what high-sec and null were "created" for.
[citations needed]
the problem still remains that CCP allows ganking, scamming, awoxing, cheating, backstabbing, spying, etc as a 100% legit tactic.....and no one ever said that highsec has anything to do with your ideas of "law & order, a police force, and a civilized society" you're again as usual confusing game mechanics with your personal moral cyber bushido that you have no ability to enforce.
please provide examples of where CCP has stated that high-sec was created for the reasons you seem to think. if CCP wanted highsec to be be anything other then what is is, they would change it.
if you want your "law & order, a police force, and a civilized society" perhaps you should stop shooting red boxes and endlessily whinging about about game mechanics and gather your friends corp mates and alliance and make it happen. you are able to form a fleet and enforce you will over a single system, right? start there.. you know, create content besides whinging on the forums and fail trolling.
oh wait.... that would involve a break from shooting red boxes, spamming the minerbumping comments section, and selfprociaming as such a huge amazing troll while trying as hard as you possibly can to derail every single conversation ever posted due to grrr goons grrr code grrrr eve is not wow and someone got in the way of someone shooting a red box or a rock in this game that allows players to get in the way of those shooting a red box or a rock.
it's cool, veers. we'll wait for anything from you but fail trolling and you using that ivy league education to continue telling us about what high-sec was"created" for. we all know no amount of logic will ever get though to you until you finally earn your fail troll forum ban. you have to be getting close now mate, keep it coming.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
730
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Posted - 2015.02.23 14:13:29 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
Real mature...lemme guess...you are affiliated with CODE? And there certainly is PvE in Eve. The fact that you can make isk killing rats doesn't make that PvP anymore than working at Mcdonalds for minimum wage is a form of PvP against everyone else in the world. The fact that someone can come and commit a crime against you doesn't change the fact that your activity is against the computer program, and not against other live players. Until a third party intervenes you shooting rats is 100% PvE, as it should be - some of us play Eve for that, not for the pew pew. Deal with it. Did you just use McDonalds as a real life example of EvE pvp? So you work at McDonalds...please continue. Did you also know an anagram for your name is Braver Elves (maybe a subconscious hint that you should change your man-baby mentality). I was trying to demonstrate to you that activities that have an unintended incidental impact on other people are not properly classified as "PvP." You didn't get it. And I'm the bravest man you will ever meet. Bravery is standing firm on your principles, and practicing stoic self control...not pew pewing pathetic miners and haulers in highsec.
There is a very fine line between bravery and stupidity. You clearly fall on the bad side of that line. |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5870
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Posted - 2015.02.23 14:26:12 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: I was trying to demonstrate to you that activities that have an unintended incidental impact on other people are not properly classified as "PvP." You didn't get it.
Playing Eve at all is classified as PvP. Check your assumptions - you'll find they're the flaw in many of your arguments.
Quote: And I'm the bravest man you will ever meet. Bravery is standing firm on your principles, and practicing stoic self control...not pew pewing pathetic miners and haulers in highsec.
What? Pathetic miners and haulers? I thought you were defending people's rights to PvE activity, not mocking them.
Some stoic defender of hisec you are!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Six Beavers
New Order Logistics CODE.
37
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:44:33 -
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Veers is the one trick pony of Eve, Well at least he picked a trick from the minerbumping bag-o-tricks
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
358
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Posted - 2015.02.23 19:47:38 -
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@op - wardecs are ridiculously easy to evade - you can (1) dock and play on at alt; (2) dock and play something else; (3) drop corp and join an npc corp (keeping a holding toon in your corp) for the duration; (3) invite numerous allies to your assist you in defending the dec; (4) move across eve. You deny the wardecs kills and they will move on. Ofc you can grow some balls and fight too. Fighting is the most fun imo, but the way eve is right now, you never have to fight a war unless you really want to.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
358
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Posted - 2015.02.23 19:50:59 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Sooo...people want to play a PvP based game without being forced to engage in PvP? That's one of the most moronic arguments I've seen in a while.
By the way, are you the pastey guy that wears funny hats?
People who CHOOSE to play in highsec, where ILLEGAL aggression is met with a law enforcement response, are looking to enjoy the PvE part of Eve, and not engage in direct ship to ship combat. If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC. Fact is a lot of our "elite PvP" players fear actual low/null PvP, and just want an easy slaughter of PvE players. And not, I'm not pastey, nor do I wear hats. CCP has accepted Ganking as a valid game mechanic, therefore whether players are only looking to enjoy the PVE part of Eve, they can still have PVP forced upon them.
The actual chance of any one individual being ganked at any particular time is incredibly small. Move to an out of the way system and tank your ship and you make it so that the chance of a random gank are almost non-existent. So there are plenty of opportunities for folk to pve without pvp being forced onto them.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
532
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:58:35 -
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Chocolate Mooses wrote:
wait, wut? please show us some dev posts and quotes that show what high-sec and null were "created" for.
[citations needed]
the problem still remains that CCP allows ganking, scamming, awoxing, cheating, backstabbing, spying, etc as a 100% legit tactic.....and no one ever said that highsec has anything to do with your ideas of "law & order, a police force, and a civilized society" you're again as usual confusing game mechanics with your personal moral cyber bushido that you have no ability to enforce.
please provide examples of where CCP has stated that high-sec was created for the reasons you seem to think. if CCP wanted highsec to be be anything other then what is is, they would change it.
if you want your "law & order, a police force, and a civilized society" perhaps you should stop shooting red boxes and endlessily whinging about about game mechanics and gather your friends corp mates and alliance and make it happen. you are able to form a fleet and enforce your will and ideas about what high-sec was "created for" over a single system, right? start there.. you know, create content besides whinging on the forums and fail trolling.
oh wait.... that would involve a break from shooting red boxes, spamming the minerbumping comments section, and selfprociaming as such a huge amazing troll while trying as hard as you possibly can to derail every single conversation ever posted due to grrr goons grrr code grrrr eve is not wow and someone got in the way of someone shooting a red box or a rock in this game that allows players to get in the way of those shooting a red box or a rock.
it's cool, veers. we'll wait for anything from you but fail trolling and you using that ivy league education to continue telling us about what high-sec was"created" for. we all know no amount of logic will ever get though to you until you finally earn your fail troll forum ban. you have to be getting close now mate, keep it coming.
Oh dear...not understanding the purpose of the infallible space police. Apologies that you favor criminal conduct, but, much like in real life, there are real consequences for breaking the law. CCP is changing highsec as we speak - awoxxing is gonzo...and I'm confident that non-consensual wars are soon to follow.
I have no need to "create content." I'm happy to play with people, not against them.
Glad to see code is now so helpless that all they can do is hope I get banned. So much for "elite PvP." And cool shades, bro.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
32
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Posted - 2015.02.24 13:33:13 -
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Posadas wrote:Rants about being conned by the game
My buddies were 4 man operating a C3 wormhole within 2 months of starting this game. First month they trained skills, did market fu and bought a few battleships/small POS, month 2 they began to day trip into wormholes in cheap stuff to learn what it was about while making use of the plethora of reference files available, by the end of month two they had cleared every anomaly in their C3 home using spider tanked dominixes.
The game is accessible quickly. You just have to figure out how to do what you want to do. There are literally thousands of people who will help you with learning content. EVE U comes to mind as a great place to learn the game. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2425
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Posted - 2015.02.24 14:43:56 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I have no need to "create content." I'm happy to play with people, not against them.
Well, not to let the facts get in the way of a good story, but when you work with people you're working against everyone else.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Catalytic morphisis
Disbanding As We Speak Already Disbanded
106
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:28:15 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:If you WANT PvP GO to NULLSEC Why? Because some people want this game to have purely single player aspects. I mean, all the other great MMOs have it, like Star trek Online
I got to there and then had to stop reading, anyone who thinks Star Trek Online was good is not worth listening to
Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
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Catalytic morphisis
Disbanding As We Speak Already Disbanded
106
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:37:44 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Well, if you're not the pastey funny hat guy then I know someone who may want to be your new butt buddy. Bring wet naps though; he also looks kinda sticky.
...and there is no "PvE" part of eve. Just different forms of isk generation that are affected by the risk/reward of different levels of security. None of those security levels are completely safe and never will be (at least until the CEOs at CCP decide it's time to pull the plug and sail the golden parachute to a warmer climate).
Real mature...lemme guess...you are affiliated with CODE? And there certainly is PvE in Eve. The fact that you can make isk killing rats doesn't make that PvP anymore than working at Mcdonalds for minimum wage is a form of PvP against everyone else in the world. The fact that someone can come and commit a crime against you doesn't change the fact that your activity is against the computer program, and not against other live players. Until a third party intervenes you shooting rats is 100% PvE, as it should be - some of us play Eve for that, not for the pew pew. Deal with it. Let me ask, Do you sell your Loot? Do you haul this loot/Pay someone to do so? do you buy ships/modules off of the market? All actions in EVE can be classed as a form of PvP, When you buy a ship, you buy from someone else, Who is competing with others to sell their goods, When you sell, you give someone else items, Inadvertently allowing them to compete in a form of PvP with other players. Whether it be Actual combat or selling items on the market, you contribute to PvP or some form. Even running missions and selling the salvage and loot can be defined under a form of PvP.
No act in eve has 0 player vs player interaction.
Quad Boxing Trading Extroadinaire, Actual Link free solo PvP'er
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
203
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:41:52 -
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dont know how many times this needs to be explained about "doing everything in eve is pvp" yes we know that but its not the pvp people mean, people mean direct combat so please stop trying to throw around "everything is pvp" to justify your actions
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