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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1549
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:54:22 -
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They haven't actually touched or opened something, have they?.. Unlike our capsuleers did when they entered their wormholes.
Or, imagine a gallentean Circadean Seeker, finds Customs Office and instead of scanning it, puts office on its back and warps away with office to their home! |
Velarra
344
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Posted - 2015.01.17 17:10:39 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:If a stranger entered your quarters, without asking, and started sifting through your cabinets and closets, would you permit them to do so just because they are unarmed?
That's what the sleepers are doing.
There is one's personal Domain, within which one claims all rights up to and including Destruction. There is as well the notion of communal territory that is shared. Territory with community shared customs and understandings of civil accommodation. Accommodation and understanding that the region is something that no one individual holds absolute rights to privacy within or even absolute proprietorship of. As say with their own very personal roof beneath which they sleep and maintain a personal life.
Should a moderately new people come to your territory, and simply investigate the region, while yes they are actively involved with your territory without having made active attempts at communication (or have they?), and diplomacy. They're not exactly rifling through your personal quarters. In this case i go so far as to say "moderately new" given archaeological records that seem to strongly suggest that we are the new variable within their homeland and ancestral territory.
I'd further ask If you were to take a very long vacation from your personal territory within which you were born, raised, had a family, descendants, and upon return to your ancestral homeland, which you rightfully felt was -your- home, how would you feel about the new, strange unknown people living there? What if you'd met them recently elsewhere, and they'd been particularly violent with you?
I'd suggest that they're scanning the territory of space we call New Eden. They're scanning its current prominent residents. They're not rifling through anyone's personal quarters. Yet.
At worst there has been no diplomatic communication. Or if there has, we as PIlots have not been privy to the negotiations and communications between the "Sleepers" and for instance The Assembly whom oversee at best, the generalized stability of the cluster. Mmm, CONCORD? |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1136
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:24:17 -
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Except the space is propriety of the local sovereign empire.
Frankly, the fact that our space is already fully open to capsuleer traffic is bad enough, but at least that permission is officially granted through CONCORD policies. No such policies have been extended to sleepers (or to the various illegal pirate organizations); they are trespassers.
And the key thing is that all previous contact with sleepers has been hostile. Therefore there is very good reason to assume that their intentions are not peaceful, and that whatever scanning they are doing is potentially for the purpose of determining our level of technology and infrastructure along with our defensive capabilities. |
Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
46
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:19:16 -
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None of this should be too much of a surprise. As has been stated elsewhere, every step of the Seekers' escalation has been precisely in line with the predictions of the Singularity Simulator. This will only continue increasing in severity if the simulation remains accurate. Despite my preference for passive observation in scientific endeavors, I believe that we must be prepared to act with extreme force to eradicate this threat if they become aggressive rather than defensive. I second the recommendation to seek the assistance of Incursion specialists in such a circumstance. |
Velarra
344
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:20:48 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Except the space is property of the local sovereign empire.
Frankly, the fact that our space is already fully open to capsuleer traffic is bad enough, but at least that permission is officially granted through CONCORD policies. No such policies have been extended to sleepers (or to the various illegal pirate organizations); they are trespassers.
And the key thing is that all previous contact with sleepers has been hostile. Therefore there is very good reason to assume that their intentions are not peaceful, and that whatever scanning they are doing is potentially for the purpose of determining our level of technology and infrastructure along with our defensive capabilities.
I am personally aware of the hostile first contact nature of the numbered J systems in which Pilots have encountered the sleepers in recent years. Given the apparent morbid state in which we found both the sleepers, the seeming lack of communication beyond violence from their drone sentries found within the J-system structures alongside Talocan ruins, I can readily appreciate the probability of continued future violence from now returning sleepers to New Eden.
However if one steps back from the current time and era, It would seem that we are currently within their ancestral territory. Do they still see it as their territory despite having taken a small vacation? Do they even recognize or appreciate the gravity or insignificance of our claim to the territory? Can you be wholly certain you are not personally genetically by ancestry related to them, by family ties?
I would ask - how do the sleepers see New Eden, today? While public news sources have spoke very little of the sleeper return, has there been any CONCORD / Assembly communications with the returning sleepers? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:12:10 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: The objective was to engage them and gather intel on their capabilities.
Should I come to your quarters and shoot at your from assault rifle to gather intel on your capabilities? You are basically saying the same.
If you arrive at my quarters with a rifle I would take that as the start of some strange Caldari mating ritual.
AND I'd be all for it GÖÑ I just know that under that Caldari Ice Queen military veneer of yours is a volcano of passion of the sort that would make an entire pleasure hub close early. GÖÑ
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1139
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:17:24 -
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Velarra wrote:However if one steps back from the current time and era, It would seem that we are currently within their ancestral territory. Do they still see it as their territory despite having taken a small vacation? Do they even recognize or appreciate the gravity or insignificance of our claim to the territory? Can you be wholly certain you are not personally genetically by ancestry related to them, by family ties?
I really don't care if it's their ancestral territory. They abandoned it and it was claimed by other nations. It's not theirs anymore. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6106
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:28:44 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:None of this should be too much of a surprise. As has been stated elsewhere, every step of the Seekers' escalation has been precisely in line with the predictions of the Singularity Simulator. This will only continue increasing in severity if the simulation remains accurate. Despite my preference for passive observation in scientific endeavors, I believe that we must be prepared to act with extreme force to eradicate this threat if they become aggressive rather than defensive. I second the recommendation to seek the assistance of Incursion specialists in such a circumstance.
I am actively preparing the pilots of my own corp to stage a defensive blockade in such an event. Though for security purposes I cannot share our current composition, I have faith in the men and women of 4TUNA and believe our current doctrine capable of handling the threat locally for the present.
Given how the sleepers react to being webbed and warp scrambled (see my after action report) they are certainly capable of learning and have gone way beyond the insect-like single-mindedness we have seen in Rogue Drones and even inexperienced pirates.
The logical conclusion of this is that they will eventually start deploying warp interdiction technology of their own.
The equipment commonly used to negate warp interdiction tends to occupy the same ship infrastructure as that we use to bolster armor enhancement systems. While I have found that high buffer actively armored ships stand up better to sleepers, an escalation of aggression exceeding the ability to keep the nano repair pumps in operation while incapable of warping out of the engagement would spell doom for such a ship.
SSTG is now researching the prospect of smaller faster ships that are likely to use shielding systems for primary defense and leave the remaining infrastructure open to prevent warp interdiction. This is on a similar track to early experimentations with the Caldari Caracal cruisers against the Sansha Raa Thalamus prototypes of which the sleepers have shown to mimic but in slower form.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Wendrika Hydreiga
243
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:37:55 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6106
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:43:18 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it!
Were we to show them "love" as that word is used in the Federation, the sleepers would come out of it even more offended. Though were someone to get camera drone footage of the attempt I imagine it'll be a most viral holoreel for a while.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:17:31 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it! Were we to show them "love" as that word is used in the Federation, the sleepers would come out of it even more offended. Though were someone to get camera drone footage of the attempt I imagine it'll be a most viral holoreel for a while. It is quite disturbing that you can pervert love that way that it will offend someone
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:26:58 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it! Were we to show them "love" as that word is used in the Federation, the sleepers would come out of it even more offended. Though were someone to get camera drone footage of the attempt I imagine it'll be a most viral holoreel for a while. It is quite disturbing that you can pervert love that way that it will offend someone
Surely you had learnt by now how everything can be perverted.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
53
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:36:21 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it! Were we to show them "love" as that word is used in the Federation, the sleepers would come out of it even more offended. Though were someone to get camera drone footage of the attempt I imagine it'll be a most viral holoreel for a while. It is quite disturbing that you can pervert love that way that it will offend someone Surely you had learnt by now how everything can be perverted. Ay, but not necessarily has to be perverted. Compassion and understanding is always a hard way.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:41:44 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:
Ay, but not necessarily has to be perverted. Compassion and understanding is always a hard way.
Still not really something to be surprised about. If they can make an Amarr Theologist Councillor robe look obscene with missing bits and something that looks like a shaft where the groin region is, they can pervert anything.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:52:32 -
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I don't appreciate how you speak about love. That's all.
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
53
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Posted - 2015.01.19 10:04:16 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:
Ay, but not necessarily has to be perverted. Compassion and understanding is always a hard way.
Still not really something to be surprised about. If they can make an Amarr Theologist Councillor robe look obscene with missing bits and something that looks like a shaft where the groin region is, they can pervert anything. Haha, ridiculing Amarr slavers is always entertaining, but I wouldn't use our new little guests to do it. It may backfire.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.01.19 10:16:55 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:
Ay, but not necessarily has to be perverted. Compassion and understanding is always a hard way.
Still not really something to be surprised about. If they can make an Amarr Theologist Councillor robe look obscene with missing bits and something that looks like a shaft where the groin region is, they can pervert anything. Haha, ridiculing Amarr slavers is always entertaining, but I wouldn't use our new little guests to do it. It may backfire.
I had the misfortune of handling exactly that costume. My drones-and-automations engineer ordered it over the Galnet. I also received a shipment containing what looked to be a collar and some kind of drug with the label 'Vitosin' on it, on his behalf. Misspelling presumed intentional.
Apparently it's for his date.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1551
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Posted - 2015.01.19 13:14:44 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it! Were we to show them "love" as that word is used in the Federation, the sleepers would come out of it even more offended. Though were someone to get camera drone footage of the attempt I imagine it'll be a most viral holoreel for a while. And this is why the Federation must be destroyed. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6115
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Posted - 2015.01.21 06:49:21 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it! Were we to show them "love" as that word is used in the Federation, the sleepers would come out of it even more offended. Though were someone to get camera drone footage of the attempt I imagine it'll be a most viral holoreel for a while. And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.
Then will you let me take you out, Diana? GÖÑ
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
293
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Posted - 2015.01.21 07:49:19 -
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Pilot Wolfhammer don't even joke about such a thing! Someone might seriously think that you'd want to associate with that asexual, androgynous psychopath.
I've seen twigs with better figures and far more personality than Kim. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6117
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Posted - 2015.01.22 00:39:54 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Pilot Wolfhammer don't even joke about such a thing! Someone might seriously think that you'd want to associate with that asexual, androgynous psychopath.
I've seen twigs with better figures and far more personality than Kim.
Awe c'mon. I suspect that under that Caldari Ice Queen visage is a steaming volcano of passion that'll make a Pleasure Hub manager cringe.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1560
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:13:53 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They came into our space, but all what they saw are violence and destruction, and now they have evolved to defend themselves.
Have you ever thought that instead of aggression you could have shown them peace and love?..
She gets it! Were we to show them "love" as that word is used in the Federation, the sleepers would come out of it even more offended. Though were someone to get camera drone footage of the attempt I imagine it'll be a most viral holoreel for a while. And this is why the Federation must be destroyed. Then will you let me take you out, Diana? GÖÑ Sure. But not before the Federation will be destroyed. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
677
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Posted - 2015.01.24 02:43:40 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Pilot Wolfhammer don't even joke about such a thing! Someone might seriously think that you'd want to associate with that asexual, androgynous psychopath.
I've seen twigs with better figures and far more personality than Kim. Awe c'mon. I suspect that under that Caldari Ice Queen visage is a steaming volcano of passion that'll make a Pleasure Hub manager cringe.
The straight laced ones always turn it up a notch once you can get them to take the laces off. Especially if they're hostile beforehand. Some of my best nights have been with uptight gals who originally wanted nothing more than to shoot me.
Some of them did shoot me anyway........twice before, three times after, twice during, and once in-between.......I need to stop going to that bar.....
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Edriss
Alignement Telsan
3
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Posted - 2015.01.24 18:36:12 -
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According to a recent report, Circadian Seekers fired at a Small Control Tower in Abha, dealing almost half the damage needed to destroy it : Report.
I have heard that they are also able to shoot ships through a tower forcefield, but this information has not be confirmed. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1295
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Posted - 2015.01.24 18:48:28 -
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Edriss wrote:According to a recent report, Circadian Seekers fired at a Small Control Tower in Abha, dealing almost half the damage needed to destroy it : Report. I have heard that they are also able to shoot ships through a tower forcefield, but this information has not be confirmed.
I can confirm they have no problems ignoring the tower forcefields. Sightings of Seekers are also increasing across the cluster, seems they are no longer tied to the unidentified cloaked structures.
This continued evolution of Seeker behaviour is worrying, we still have no clue on their intents & purposes...
Gallente Presidential elections have begun!
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
300
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Posted - 2015.01.25 03:45:04 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:Edriss wrote:According to a recent report, Circadian Seekers fired at a Small Control Tower in Abha, dealing almost half the damage needed to destroy it : Report. I have heard that they are also able to shoot ships through a tower forcefield, but this information has not be confirmed. I can confirm they have no problems ignoring the tower forcefields. Sightings of Seekers are also increasing across the cluster, seems they are no longer tied to the unidentified cloaked structures. This continued evolution of Seeker behaviour is worrying, we still have no clue on their intents & purposes...
They are looking for something. Capsuleers shot at them. Now they are pissed off.
Question is 'what are they looking for?', not 'what do they want to do to us'. What we are seeing here is an adaptive response against a hostile cluster, rather than any overt hostile intentions. Note that for most parts they attack in self-defense. They didn't attack space stations, they ignore those who do not attack except to scan and they only started shooting and chasing when we really, really **** them off.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6128
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Posted - 2015.01.26 04:51:07 -
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Are there more seekers because there are more of these unidentified structures? I'm hearing speculation that these structures might be Jovian in nature, and it's possible that the seekers are not coming from them but rather going to them.
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U'tah Arareb
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.01.26 13:49:54 -
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Perhaps we would be better watching them than shooting them? Recall, the Chastisement of the Jove whereby God Corrected the sinful pride of the Empire. These 'drones' are reacting to attack, we should be asking "what is it they seek?" instead of "How much can I sell that metal scrap for?" |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6133
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Posted - 2015.01.27 17:06:03 -
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Appears that Empress Jamyl Sarum has issued what feels like a warning.
Considering some rather dubious "facts" about her and the implication of things she might have advanced knowledge of, I would take this seriously.
There's also a rumor that the sleepers are no longer waiting to be attacked.
While there is not much fanfare about all of this, this situation may be the most significant in our lifetimes.
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Eojek
Starlight Moly
56
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Posted - 2015.01.27 17:39:03 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Appears that Empress Jamyl Sarum has issued what feels like a warning. Considering some rather dubious "facts" about her and the implication of things she might have advanced knowledge of, I would take this seriously. There's also a rumor that the sleepers are no longer waiting to be attacked. While there is not much fanfare about all of this, this situation may be the most significant in our lifetimes.
So don't shoot them and make every effort to communicate and open diplomatic channels.
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