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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.15 00:23:58 -
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I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote.
Anyone thinking of running in the upcoming election would be well served to read between the lines and know what they are getting into. Both the good and the bad. I am amazed at how many of the candidates are campaigin for the type of council that is a thing of the past or never existed at all.
Read, research, learn, plan.
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
337
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:37:32 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:there is some loose lips on the CSM.
This is pretty ironic coming from you, who leaked a years worth of TMC's private jabber logs on FailHeapChallenge and then went on to act as though it wasn't your responsibility to scrub out people's mentioned and listed IRL info in said logs.
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Arkady Romanov
Hole Violence Whole Squid
565
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:41:50 -
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You really should reread what I wrote. [/quote]
I read many things that you write. Like this:
Someone Named Marlona Sky wrote: You will not find private chat logs. These are only from the Jabber channel that everyone chatted in. To be frank, logs from this channel have been leaked to places for as long as it was started, but for the most part only to leadership type people of alliances or whatever. I really don't know who exactly, just that this is nothing ground breaking. The other thing is this does not cover every moment. Simply the times I was logged into Jabber. So we are talking US time zone and early Australian time zone for the week days and for the weekend the same thing along with late Euro time zone stuff. Of course thinking back I should have just let my PC run 24/7, but whatever.
The other thing is I do not expect minds to be seriously blown away. There are some days were nothing is really happening. Boring days. Pretty much echoing what was going on in EVE that day. Also there might be a few days sprinkled in where I did not log into Jabber at all. I imagine there is most likely going to be some things in there that does not show me in the best light, but to go in and delete such things would be not just a lot of searching, but in a way water down the logs. I'm sure no one is going to be running up patting me on the back or cheering for me either. lol ...
I also recognize when people cheerlead CCP to try to push their own person agenda or the agenda of their alliance dressed up as altruism and I'll keep calling you out on it.
By all means; keep doing it. Just do the needful and be transparent about why you're doing it though.
Whole Squid: Get Inked.
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Marlona Sky
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
5858
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:44:04 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:Remember that one time you were really mad at goons and leaked TMC logs on failheap? But hey it's not loose lips unless it's attacking those dirty, rotten Goons though right?
I don't think it's appropriate to make your argument regarding loose lips, when there are situations that you have found yourself guilty of the same acts. It's hypocritical, and degrades your argument. Degrades? Not a chance!
The Paradox
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Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:28:25 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:@Sion -
The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs.
Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes.
If you have evidence of this, I would be grateful if you'd pass it my way. Or probably even better, pass it to CCP.
On twitter @siggonK
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Xander Phoena
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
545
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:28:18 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote.
Anyone thinking of running in the upcoming election would be well served to read between the lines and know what they are getting into. Both the good and the bad. I am amazed at how many of the candidates are campaigin for the type of council that is a thing of the past or never existed at all.
Read, research, learn, plan.
m
So much this.
Also Marlona, as Sion mentions, if you have evidence of CSM impropriety, it is your duty to get that evidence to CCP as soon as possible.
www.crossingzebras.com
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CCP Falcon
10274
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Posted - 2015.01.15 10:21:09 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:@Sion -
The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs.
Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes.
Have something you want to tell us?
If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums.
If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting.
We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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CCP Leeloo
C C P C C P Alliance
530
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Posted - 2015.01.15 10:24:38 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote.
I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here
This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair
CCP Leeloo | CSM Coordinator | @ccp_leeloo
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
242
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:26:57 -
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CCP Leeloo wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote.
I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair
Since neither of you want to give any information about this subject maybe we should ask another
Dear DJ Funkybacon, do you know why only seven of the fourteen members wrote in the devblog ?
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
1170
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Posted - 2015.01.15 12:44:24 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote.
I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair Since neither of you want to give any information about this subject maybe we should ask another Dear DJ Funkybacon, do you know why only seven of the fourteen members wrote in the devblog ?
some people are hardworking and active, others................................less so.
Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
554
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Posted - 2015.01.15 14:48:24 -
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i put on my tinfoil robe and wizard hat |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3876
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:03:25 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:@Sion -
The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs.
Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. This post is why we need multi-likes.
Freelancer117 wrote:CCP Leeloo wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:I liked it. I also think that you should ask Leeloo why only seven of the fourteen members wrote.
I hope nobody thought that some parts of the blog were deleted here This was not an obligatory task for all 14 members of the council. Not everybody is a writer on the CSM as well. I think I am not the right person to ask why only seven wrote, my crystal ball is in repair Since neither of you want to give any information about this subject maybe we should ask another Dear DJ Funkybacon, do you know why only seven of the fourteen members wrote in the devblog ? For my part, I burned out about halfway through this term due to real life and realistically if I wrote anything it'd just be "What Sion said." While being engaged is ultimately on me, the issues Sion speaks to have made it a struggle to want to.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
330
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:54:20 -
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Sion Kumimoto wrote:So that's what I've been doing. I spent the first half of my term trying to illuminate player psychology from my unique position, and I spent the rest of it trying to figure out how to get the CSM and CCP in a place where such input from myself and others on various topics wouldn't be summarily dismissed out of hand.
What kind of player psychology, and what sort of unique position?
The others wrote about tremendous amounts of stuff they've worked very hard on and accomplished, while you mostly just criticized somethingsomething. From outside, this makes your term look like a personal failure, and not really issues with the CSM as an organisation.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
338
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:14:28 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:@Sion -
The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs.
Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi.
Goddamn, you're my CCP hero. |
Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
341
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:25:26 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:@Sion -
The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs.
Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi.
This seems appropriate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYJhax5ssI
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
554
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:29:39 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote: more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wEs9x7G3w |
Alundil
Isogen 5
835
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:43:09 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:Remember that one time you were really mad at goons and leaked TMC logs on failheap? But hey it's not loose lips unless it's attacking those dirty, rotten Goons though right?
I don't think it's appropriate to make your argument regarding loose lips, when there are situations that you have found yourself guilty of the same acts. It's hypocritical, and degrades your argument. It's equally funny/hypocritical to hear about "dirty so and so leaked logs that included PERSONAL information" when that complaint is lobbed from the "Home of Digi"
Something, something cleaning your own house first something something
...ah the hypocrisy, SMH
I'm right behind you
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Marlona Sky
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
5863
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:53:44 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:@Sion -
The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs.
Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi. Ah you are right. I'll send the information I have and point out why it is obvious at least one CSM member is sharing information they shouldn't be. In the mean time I'll stop rocking the boat for you.
The Paradox
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
235
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:49:30 -
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And yet not a single grateful word on Dolan and Xhagen, and their legacy - on top of which everything was built.
A bit sad.
The show must go on.
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2317
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:06:15 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:And yet not a single grateful word on Dolan and Xhagen, and their legacy - on top of which everything was built.
A bit sad.
The show must go on.
We were asked about what went on this year.
We also did not mention previous CSM people, many of whom helped the CSM grow and become what it is today. If you want a historical look at the CSM that could be done but that is not what this post was about.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
584
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:39:25 -
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Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs?
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Lolmer
OMG-Ponies Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
124
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Posted - 2015.01.15 23:38:58 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs?
e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1.
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Here is an example of why we want a "Dislike" button. :) |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
140
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Posted - 2015.01.16 00:58:40 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:@Sion -
The reason why CCP is hesitant in having the CSM in the loop on major changes is because it has become very apparent to them and even the player base - there is some loose lips on the CSM. it is no secret that some CSM members are there to gain insight on upcoming changes so they and their constituents can gain an advantage. We need CSM members who are there for the entire player base and the health of the game. Not just them and theirs.
Until this changes, don't be surprised with the short notices on upcoming changes. Have something you want to tell us? If so, be a responsible adult and send us an email to [email protected] instead of crowing about it on the forums. If not, feel free to take your completely unsubstantiated rumors somewhere else, most likely to a third party bittervet forum for further discussion and conspiracy theory-crafting. We have rules against rumor mongering and ranting here, fyi.
mr. falcon if someone were to post the past csm scandals it would only get blotted out cause you know you don't want the bad stuff out there. so to speak honestly about it would get completely censored.. both you and I and everyone knows it. your response was proper but also has a sting of guilt associated with it.
im for a complete new CSM where they're not used as test mice or puppets and look to provide better for all of the game not just certain parts (cough cough null sec).. which seems to be the entirety of it lately only about null sec and the rest is blah..
I hope ccp can do a great job in retaining new players and expand and make the game balance and fair for all.. oops I said a bad word fair.. fair play is good right?? then rid the game of its issues and move onward into the future!
good day to you falcon spread your wings or cloak up and dodge the trolls mate o7 |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
584
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:53:13 -
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Lolmer wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs?
e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1. -1 Here is an example of why we want a "Dislike" button. :) Why, because I want to know whether or not a CSM has experience with something he vehemently attempted to remove from the game? Because I wanted to hold him to a higher standard than a scammer in Jita local? When CCP was changing the wormhole mechanics regarding spawn distance vs mass, we saw everyone and their mother who had not stepped foot inside a wormhole attempt to dictate changes to the wormhole community. (BTW Fozzie, where are those graphs you promised us?). Thankfully, they were ridiculed as they should be. If holding a CSM member to a higher standard than those... people... is a bad thing, then what's the point of a CSM?
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Montgomery Black
Awakened Ones
67
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:54:23 -
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shout out to Corebexx
The work you, the other wormhole reps and CCP did this year have made wormhole space a better place.
The buffs to income in low class wormholes has had great benefits for activity in those wormhole classes.
For me I now have more targets to shoot at. For PVE people there is now more income and a reason to live in low class holes.
The Addition of faction Relic and Data sites to Wormhole space has seen many new players coming into wormhole space in their herons and asteros. Before new players generally avoided wormholes.
anyway.. good job
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CCP Leeloo
C C P C C P Alliance
536
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Posted - 2015.01.16 12:11:50 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote: so to speak honestly about it would get completely censored..
I will repeat, in case you missed:
CCP Leeloo | CSM Coordinator | @ccp_leeloo
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
335
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:14:41 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Hey corebloodbrothers, what first-hand experience do you have with ISBoxer? Have you talked to any ISBoxers, smacktalk and crying in local nonwithstanding? Did you even attempt to integrate anti-bomber ships into your fleet doctrines, including defensive DIC/HICs?
e: And Falcon, you're one to talk about acting like an adult after refusing to discuss this with the ISBoxer community before Jan1.
Nobody negotiated with the macro miner "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with RMT "community" when they were banned Nobody negotiated with ISBotter "community" when replication was banned
If it's bad for the game, it is and you happened to be part of the problem, when ban was the solution. Deal with it. |
XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:17:39 -
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Stop to cry like children !
Whatever you would be proposed, it would be bad.
Do you know a lot of game company proposing to vote for a customers council ? Do you know a lot of game company paying for summits so that this council may express our opinion ? Did you read a little the numerous threads where CCP ask for our opinion about changes ? Do you understand that it's not always possible to build and change everything for budget or conception reasons ?
You want to propose changes for CSM ? Open a thread and let's talk.
I didn't ask a lot to CSM members. But when i did, they answered (thanks Mike). They do this on their game time. The minimum is to respect their work. Thanks.
About what i read in the blog : candidates should do like coreblood. Try to introduce yourself in your real life also. It's a good way to see how mature you could be to take in fact a real life position as CSM member. To be a hardcore gamer isn't the only best reason.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
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Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:27:40 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:Stop to cry like children !
Whatever you would be proposed, it would be bad.
Do you know a lot of game company proposing to vote for a customers council ? Do you know a lot of game company paying for summits so that this council may express our opinion ? Did you read a little the numerous threads where CCP ask for our opinion about changes ? Do you understand that it's not always possible to build and change everything for budget or conception reasons ?
You want to propose changes for CSM ? Open a thread and let's talk.
I didn't ask a lot to CSM members. But when i did, they answered (thanks Mike). They do this on their game time. The minimum is to respect their work. Thanks.
About what i read in the blog : candidates should do like coreblood. Try to introduce yourself in your real life also. It's a good way to see how mature you could be to take in fact a real life position as CSM member. To be a hardcore gamer isn't the only best reason.
Easily one of the best posts in this thread so far CCP and the CSM do a fantastic job under alot of pressure, and for that I respect them. Keep up the good work guys o/ |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3636
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:42:28 -
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Houm... maybe I got the intent wrong, but wasn't that devblog like an attempt to "sell" the CSM to unaware readers/non-voters?
If that was the intent, I think that it fails to do the job because it's too long. Anyone comitted enough to read it, will have a high chance of wanting to vote the CSM anyway, with or without devblog (FAI, I read it).
But a interested yet uncomited prospect voter will flee in horror after he sees that there's a wall of text after the first one.. and then another... and another...
Maybe I got it wrong and the devblog was targetted at the commited 31,000 voters from last year, so I apologyze if that's the case as it does a good job in letting us know why should we vote again.
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