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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:57:57 -
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Deployed I could understand, but can you really say successfully? Is there a metric that defines the success you talk of?
Or do you just mean "we successfully pushed out something regardless how good it is"? Then I guess there would be some definition between successful patches and patches that successfully deployed (I look at these every two month offering as patches based on content, not releases. But then if releases just mean any content, despite it's nature, that is pushed out....)
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:01:56 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Deployed I could understand, but can you really say successfully? Is there a metric that defines the success you talk of?
Or do you just mean "we successfully pushed out something regardless how good it is"? Then I guess there would be some definition between successful patches and patches that successfully deployed (I look at these every two month offering as patches based on content, not releases. But then if releases just mean any content, despite it's nature, that is pushed out....)
Research the eve online Exodus deployment and you will have your answer
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Another Posting Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:03:17 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Or do you just mean "we successfully pushed out something regardless how good it is"?
Correct. That's what deployed means. Can you now deploy the perfect reply, or just a reply regardless of how good it is? |
Sylveria Relden
Relden Enterprises
52
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:20:45 -
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Patch was deployed. I launched the client, logged in and game works fine for me.
I'd call that successful.
If you're having issues with the game after the patch I'd suggest you put in a ticket :) |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
510
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:36:31 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Deployed I could understand, but can you really say successfully? Is there a metric that defines the success you talk of?
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Serene Repose
2085
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:37:54 -
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Successful is; after it's deployed, the servers restarted and you could log in.
(Believe it or not, "good" is a values judgement. What you think is "good" others may think is...not - one of those pesky facts of life we all have to learn to live with - though some of us don't bother.)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7504
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:43:43 -
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What's the term for bitter but not quite a vet?
It'll make my Nexus reply posts a little more succinct in the future.
Mr Epeen
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:18:48 -
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Think of deployment as either its on tranquility, or its not.
Whether it works as intended once its there doesn't even matter.
Its all in how you market things.
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
113
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:27:54 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:What's the term for bitter but not quite a vet? It'll make my Nexus reply posts a little more succinct in the future. Mr Epeen
Sour? |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:23:17 -
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In my shop "successfully deployed" means that the software build we just released passes all unit and integration tests after pushing the changes to production.
It doesn't mean that every possible edge case is guaranteed to work. It doesn't mean there are no bugs. It doesn't mean that there aren't things that we want to make better in the future.
It just means that we don't have regressions (that we've tested for) that we aren't okay with, and we have the new functionality (that we have tested for).
"Successfully Deployed" also means, "All hands on deck for the next 12 hours when the sh!t hits the fan for all the code that isn't covered."
I have a lot of sympathy for CCP and their legacy code.
I'm personally in charge of some legacy code for my company right now. It blows. The guy who wrote it is long gone. There's no definitive spec for what it is or isn't supposed to do. Just a bunch of clients who get upset when it doesn't work. But no one really knows what it means for it to "work."
It's written in "c#" but the guy who wrote it was a Clarion (!) guy, and I don't know Clarion, but he was pretty much writing Clarion in c# as much as possible. The guy literally wrote his own little DSL to compile pseudo-Clarion to a sort of bastardized-but-compilable-c#. And people want me to add features and fix bugs. Umm, Eff that. Oh, and the source for his ~Clarion to ~C# DSL? Gone. Took it with him. Can't even learn that sheit.
There's no way to write unit tests without rewriting the code so it's testable. There's no way to write integration tests because we aren't clear about what we think it ought to do.
So what do we do? We do what we can with it. Add tests as we add or fix code, and we hope the whole thing doesn't just blow up. Sometimes it does. And when it does I bust my ass to figure out why ASAP and get it fixed.
But the bottom line is that there just isn't a whole lot you can do with certain chunks of code. Your choices are to rewrite them from scratch (bad because then you have to have all the growing pains of refinding all the bugs and fixing them), or patch around them (unreliable because you don't know that you won't be affecting state elsewhere).
You can be very very good at programming and still not be able to reason with certainty about what 5-6000 lines of code are doing. Because, perhaps, those lines are tightly coupled to the state of another object that is beyond your control. Because, perhaps, that code was written in a way that depends on a service provided by some other code that you cannot possibly predict the state of. Or maybe it was just sh!t code to begin with that isn't needed anymore but there's a comment just above it that says
# I know this looks crazy, but DON'T MESS WITH IT! EVERYTHING BREAKS!!
And you waste 5 days believing that comment while trying to fix a bug for windows XP users, and then you remove the line below it for shiggles and suddenly everything works because that programmer forgot to update his comments.
Or . . . one of any number of things that could be like that or could be very different from that.
I have no effing idea what the codebase looks like to developers at CCP. But if it's anything like the real world I live and work and write code in, I'm guessing there are parts of it that are just awful and for which there really is no good solution right now.
I'm impressed that such a small team can keep a product this complicated working as well as it does.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 07:12:41 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Deployed I could understand, but can you really say successfully? Is there a metric that defines the success you talk of?
Or do you just mean "we successfully pushed out something regardless how good it is"? Then I guess there would be some definition between successful patches and patches that successfully deployed (I look at these every two month offering as patches based on content, not releases. But then if releases just mean any content, despite it's nature, that is pushed out....)
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:19:39 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:What's the term for bitter but not quite a vet? It'll make my Nexus reply posts a little more succinct in the future. Mr Epeen
Self-entitled righteous ****? |
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
405
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:26:59 -
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What do you think it means Mr Centrally Connected Units of Time Commonly Delineated as Being a Singular Rotation of Planet Earth Around its Axis. |
Lister Vindaloo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:39:50 -
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Successfully deployed = boot.ini, present and functioning |
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:46:08 -
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Successfully deployed = The servers didn't catch fire, fall over, and sink in a swamp.
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Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
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Posted - 2015.01.15 08:49:14 -
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Mr M wrote:Successfully deployed = The servers didn't catch fire, fall over, and sink in a swamp.
I remember those days. TBH for all the bitching that goes on after the patches, I really do think CCP do a great job on them and getting the servers back up in great time.
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Memphis Baas
63
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:00:31 -
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Yup, they're talking about deploying software on servers, so "successfully" = they installed it and the servers are still running. Nothing to do with how good we think the features are. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
667
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:35:40 -
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I would assume its the opposite of "unsuccessfully deployed". And we have had those before (not for a long time now thankfully, CCP have been doin' good on this front) |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:49:26 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Deployed I could understand, but can you really say successfully? Is there a metric that defines the success you talk of?
Or do you just mean "we successfully pushed out something regardless how good it is"? Then I guess there would be some definition between successful patches and patches that successfully deployed (I look at these every two month offering as patches based on content, not releases. But then if releases just mean any content, despite it's nature, that is pushed out....)
Since your question is really just rhetorical bitter posting and not really a search for knowledge, I will insert this wonderful cat video for everyone's amusement.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153553514269358
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
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Posted - 2015.01.15 11:54:53 -
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It's when mommy and daddy got together ... ... had lots of fun tonight, even though they were screaming ... ... and nine months later YOU were born! :)
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan
173
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Posted - 2015.01.15 12:16:48 -
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Who the **** cares.
The patch came out. It has not had untintended consequences to the game or its stability.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1489
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Posted - 2015.01.15 13:39:54 -
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Solecist Project wrote:It's when mommy and daddy got together ... ... had lots of fun tonight, even though they were screaming ... ... and nine months later YOU were born! :)
For some people, that would not be successful... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.01.15 14:17:12 -
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It means it was delivered across maxium pendraisation spectrum.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1891
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Posted - 2015.01.15 15:00:44 -
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Successfully deployed means the deployment didn't fail.
If the deployment failed, you would know it.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1699
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:09:32 -
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As I said... unsuccessful deployment, research Exodus. Server was down for two days.
Or look up the boot.ini messup.. which was funny.
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
617
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:16:14 -
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Successfully deployed means they patch the game and the server didn't say "I can't do that Dave." |
Vherana
United Research and Development Enterprising Most Usual Suspects
30
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Posted - 2015.01.16 16:02:00 -
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Glathull wrote:no definitive spec for what it is or isn't supposed to do. Just a bunch of clients who get upset when it doesn't work. But no one really knows what it means for it to "work."
It's written in "c#" but the guy who wrote it was a Clarion (!) guy, and I don't know Clarion, but he was pretty much writing Well, in the wikipedia article about Clarion it's stated: Clarion's documentation is of a notoriously poor standard
Full article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarion_%28programming_language%29
It looks, like a code-monkey used some exotic FOTM language with no design at all (and no trial versions available).
My condolences
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2216
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:53:40 -
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Nexus Day wrote:But then if releases just mean any content, despite it's nature, that is pushed out....)
Kinda like your posting history, you mean?
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